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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 681

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:03:41 PM | message detail
theres some serious re2 underestimation going on
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Breakdown777 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:10:09 PM | message detail
NG v. DH rather, I wasn't at all worried about Contra v. Metroid
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 12:10:56 PM | message detail
Franchise voting has been strong for Nintendo, but we're not sure just how far it will extend. Also, keep in mind that Mario World didn't exactly wow us in its match, and the earlier Mario titles were up against games that may as well have been called Poll Option B, C, and D. I think Mario RPG still has a fight on its hands against a game that is its complete opposite. RE2 can't be exploited in this poll, while Mario RPG has a definite split with DKC2 and a very possible split with Goldeneye.

Also also, RE2 is definitely a stronger entrant than the first RE, which was unfairly blasted with double SFF in 2004.

Also x3, don't forget the significant upswing that the RE series has been on over the last few years! RE2 is bringing the fight tonight!
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NewLib | Posted 4/18/2009 12:20:55 PM | message detail
Its funny. I think RE/RE2 are going to get beat in their first match, but I have RE4 making the finals mostly at the benefit of SFF.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:21:42 PM | message detail
re2 > goldeneye

calling it now
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:23:58 PM | message detail
Double SFF? If MGS can SFF RE I don't see why 007 wouldn't, that's probably not the best thing to bring up.

I think the most interesting thing about tomorrow is GoldenEye's performance. Was that very surprising #7 on The List a fluke, or is GoldenEye legitimately a top [whatever] game? SMRPG should be one of the strongest second place games so far (others: FF1 and LA), and RE2 and DKC2 are clearly a step above the random Genesis fodder we've been getting on the lower rungs of matches, so it'll be very interesting to see what 007 can do.

There's also implications for MGS, too; similar situations in 2004 (grah, FFVII and Ocarina should've been switched), similar positions on The List, and similar playership polls around List time.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:25:06 PM | message detail
Double SFF? If MGS can SFF RE I don't see why 007 wouldn't, that's probably not the best thing to bring up.

I didn't realize that goldeneye was a big 3rd person shooter exclusive on ps1!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 12:27:23 PM | message detail
I think Goldeneye will be packing more overlap with Mario RPG. Even if it's by a tiny bit, it will still help. All three games were released about a year apart and about as different from each other as you can get in terms of genre. The difference here is that two of them are Nintendo and the third isn't.
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Breakdown777 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:28:54 PM | message detail
I have trouble buying RE2 is going to be all that strong. I know it was a big game at the time, but it really has aged terribly and I kinda doubt much of the site's younger visitors have either played it or played it and liked it. And sure there's the popularity of 4 and the recent release of 5, but we all saw how much Street Fighter 4 helped out SF2.

It might take second and if it does it'll be at the expense of Goldeneye truly laying an egg, but I don't see any way it wins.
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Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 12:29:02 PM | message detail
RE2 > Goldeneye? Seriously? We're talking about a game whose secondary flagship character lost to Kairi and couldn't get its main character in pre RE4. I'm pretty confident RE strength begins with RE4.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:29:24 PM | message detail
goldeneye/mario rpg/dkc3 should all have overlap being nintendo games leaving re2 as the unique one here
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:29:29 PM | message detail
I distinctly remember playing RE2 on my N64.

And, really, given the negligible role LFF has played so far, I would not expect it to tip the balance in a 007/SMRPG match. As you said, those two are about as far apart as it gets for games falling under the Nintendo umbrella.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:29:56 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #160
RE2 > Goldeneye? Seriously? We're talking about a game whose secondary flagship character lost to Kairi and couldn't get its main character in pre RE4. I'm pretty confident RE strength begins with RE4.


we're also talking bout a game whos main character is almost dante strength
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:30:06 PM | message detail
From: Lopen | #157
RE2 > Goldeneye? Seriously? We're talking about a game whose secondary flagship character lost to Kairi and couldn't get its main character in pre RE4. I'm pretty confident RE strength begins with RE4.

bububububut JILL
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:30:49 PM | message detail
OH yeah, forgot about that inferior port of RE2 on n64 that didnt even have fmvs lol
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Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 12:30:53 PM | message detail
Oh yeah because Leon gets SO MUCH STRENGTH from RE2.

I have little reason to believe RE2 only Leon would do much more than squeak by Kairi.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/18/2009 12:32:24 PM | message detail
RE2 Leon would lose to Kairi worse. Let's face it, everyone liked Claire better in RE2
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:32:53 PM | message detail
lopen seems to forget what the best selling re game is imho
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 12:34:36 PM | message detail
Albion, do you really think RE2 has a shot at beating Goldeneye or are you just talking out of your ass again?
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 4/18/2009 12:34:52 PM | message detail
Did anyone else notice that SoM actually cut MKII a couple updates ago? Not that it matters, just surprising that it can do so during the asv.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:36:02 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #169
Albion, do you really think RE2 has a shot at beating Goldeneye or are you just talking out of your ass again?


After seeing the RE boost we've had in the last couple years, I'd be shocked if the best selling game in the RE series can't beat Goldeneye, which isn't really THAT strong.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 12:36:09 PM | message detail
I distinctly remember playing RE2 on my N64.

It did have an N64 port, but an overwhelming majority of its sales came from the PS1 version (which came out about two years earlier). I think it's still the best selling RE game ever, even when given RE4's three big releases.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 12:38:08 PM | message detail

After seeing the RE boost we've had in the last couple years, I'd be shocked if the best selling game in the RE series can't beat Goldeneye, which isn't really THAT strong.


Except that Goldeneye really is that strong, as proven by a top 10 finish in the list. RE4, the strongest RE representation in this contest, would be a good match for Goldeneye. RE2 isn't.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:38:12 PM | message detail
Goldeneye has a strength of 27.38.

I mean its not like Goldeneye was some big monster last time around. And with it weakning over the last couple years (it has no reason not to), and with the major RE boost, I'd consider it a surprise if it COULD beat re2.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 12:39:22 PM | message detail
Oh wait, my bad. I forgot, you still use x-stats as some sort of proof for your stupid picks.
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Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 12:39:55 PM | message detail
which isn't really THAT strong.

Based on what? Its top ten list appearance? Its status as in contention for the second most popular game on the N64?

Hay guyz it's all about sales SMB/Duck Hunt to the finals. (PS Albion Goldeneye sold better than RE2)
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:40:57 PM | message detail
Or are you trying to say Goldeneye did much last time except kill a cult jrpg on the sega saturn and beat an old playstation platformer that Resident Evil will likely beat this year, when Re2 >>>> RE1?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 12:41:29 PM | message detail
Not many (any?) games were more screwed over in 2004 than RE. It was hit with possibly its worst opponent in Round 1, and then that opponent was blasted with SFF two rounds later. If you'll allow me to play with old results a bit...

Goldeneye got 59% on SotN.
SotN got 53% on Perfect Dark.

Is it really that hard to envision the original Resident Evil challenging Perfect Dark? I don't think it is.

Now let's keep in mind that RE2 is a clear step above RE1 and that the series has been on an upswing for years. All things considered, I think RE2 will bring the fight tonight. I'm excited!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:42:27 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #176
which isn't really THAT strong.

Based on what? Its top ten list appearance? Its status as in contention for the second most popular game on the N64?

Hay guyz it's all about sales SMB/Duck Hunt to the finals. (PS Albion Goldeneye sold better than RE2)


Resident Evil 2 sold over 6 million on PS1 alone, and vgchartz doesnt h ave its sales for N64, Gamecube, DC, or PC. It would be close since Goldeneye was 8 million.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 12:42:36 PM | message detail
I don't know what Goldeneye did "last time" because using anything off of last contest is incredibly stupid, since the site has seen a huge increase in voters and has shifted twice or three times in the past few years.
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 12:43:10 PM | message detail
So if SMRPG advances over Goldeneye in Round 2, does that make SM64 > CT more or less likely in Round 3?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:44:04 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #180
I don't know what Goldeneye did "last time" because using anything off of last contest is incredibly stupid, since the site has seen a huge increase in voters and has shifted twice or three times in the past few years.


And that shift has shown a large spike in RE the last few years, no?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:44:31 PM | message detail
All I know after how much RE showed up last contest, I can't bet against it. That would be foolhardy.
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Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 12:45:11 PM | message detail
Well, I wouldn't be disappointed if Goldeneye flopped, but then again flopping to RE2 I would mind. Both are terrible games that haven't aged well at all.

SMRPG > DKC2 let's do this.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 12:45:58 PM | message detail

And that shift has shown a large spike in RE the last few years, no?


Yes it has. RE is going to be a strong franchise and it's star game (RE4) could potentially be top 10 and challenge Goldeneye. Not RE2.

RE2 could finish in second if SMRPG bombs (I have a feeling it will), but it won't beat Goldeneye.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:47:22 PM | message detail
You seriously think the older games wouldn't have boosted with RE4s release? RE4 brought many new fans to the series, and many of them wouldn't try out the older games then since they loved re4?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/18/2009 12:49:21 PM | message detail
And then they'd be disappointed since the old games are nothing like it
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 12:49:45 PM | message detail
RE4 brought many new fans to the series, and many of them wouldn't try out the older games then since they loved re4?

RE4 is as different to the RE franchise as SM64 was to SMB. Also, RE wasn't some unknown franchise. Like you said, many people bought it and even more played it. If people didn't like the RE series but like RE4, why would they go back to the tank controls and horrible camera angles of the old games?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:50:56 PM | message detail
you know, this reminds me alot about how nobody gave jill a chance against ocelot, it being a lock

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:52:11 PM | message detail
Not to mention this might be a time RE actually wins the day vote. RE is much more elevant to kids then an old fps thatm ost kids these days don't even know about compared to the Halos and Call of Dutys
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 12:52:29 PM | message detail
RE2 should be SFFed by Goldeneye. I really cannot see it advancing.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 12:52:39 PM | message detail
A match between two midcarders/lower midcarders is different then a match between a top 10 contender and RE2.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:54:06 PM | message detail
That "List" also has Halo as top 10, whne we know Halo won't amount to crap.

Stop holding onto your only faith in Goldeneye finishing first when its faulty logic.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/18/2009 12:54:18 PM | message detail
It certainly doesn't seem like SF4 boosted SF2.
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Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 12:54:19 PM | message detail
RE wins the day vote?

Are you kidding me? It'll be finishing dead last there. Go home, man.
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Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 12:55:15 PM | message detail
Halo will amount to something. You'd better at least have it escaping its division if you know what's good for you...!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:55:43 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #195
RE wins the day vote?

Are you kidding me? It'll be finishing dead last there. Go home, man.


It will against Goldeneye, I mean.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/18/2009 12:56:15 PM | message detail
Once again, it's completely assinine to think that the success of RE4 is going to retroactively apply itself to the PS1 games, and we saw a perfect example of that in the series contest.

This is also why I don't have MGS1-3 doing anything worthwhile.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:56:20 PM | message detail

From: Mac Arrowny | #194
It certainly doesn't seem like SF4 boosted SF2.


Thats because anyone who bought SF4 was a SF2 fan anyway.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:57:19 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #198
Once again, it's completely assinine to think that the success of RE4 is going to retroactively apply itself to the PS1 games, and we saw a perfect example of that in the series contest.

This is also why I don't have MGS1-3 doing anything worthwhile.


just like shining force was gonna make cuts on secret of mana in the europe hours?
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