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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 681

red sox 777 | Posted 4/17/2009 10:51:32 PM | message detail
And now Secret of Mana has tied Sonic 2's mark of 12 consecutive updates with percentage losses with 12 consecutive updates with percentage gains.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 10:56:03 PM | message detail
You just had to jinx it!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 11:06:23 PM | message detail
aww yeah SoM cutting MK

lets do this
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:06:40 PM | message detail
And there it is! Secret of Mana cuts Mortal Kombat 2 and hits 26%!
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Lopen | Posted 4/17/2009 11:15:23 PM | message detail
Wow. Very surprised to see Secret of Mana worth anything. In other places in the bracket it would've owned me, probably.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/17/2009 11:21:01 PM | message detail
Man, I bet Donkey Kong Country would be beating Sonic here.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/17/2009 11:29:30 PM | message detail
Interesting thought, yo. Let me mix and match for a sec.....

Donkey Kong Country
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creativename | Posted 4/17/2009 11:36:34 PM | message detail
I was quite wrong about Link's Awakening. MMX wasn't much weaker than I thought, but LA was significantly stronger.

The next batch of pics is very good, I'm liking it. Today's pic is strong too - really digging the Secret of Mana pic.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/17/2009 11:38:15 PM | message detail
That Secret of Mana picture must bring back strong emotions in people who played the game, because it looks super bland to someone who hasn't (me).
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 11:40:01 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #059
That Secret of Mana picture must bring back strong emotions in people who played the game, because it looks super bland to someone who hasn't (me).


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ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/17/2009 11:40:54 PM | message detail
Yeah, I have to admit, that pic just screams "bland jrpg."
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tim333 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:40:58 PM | message detail
Jesus why is Sonic not dominating this match?

Sonic really is garbage in these contests now, isn't he?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 11:41:55 PM | message detail
He is who we thought he was!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 11:42:33 PM | message detail
holy crap what happened there
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:42:39 PM | message detail
Massive 34 vote cut by Secret of Mana. Let's get this comeback going for a few hours until the day vote arrives!
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creativename | Posted 4/17/2009 11:42:52 PM | message detail
Wow. Very surprised to see Secret of Mana worth anything. In other places in the bracket it would've owned me, probably.

I didn' think of that. God damnit Secret of Mana screwed by bracket placement!!

Sonic 2 was a great game, MK2 was good, but SoM got my vote here.


That Secret of Mana picture must bring back strong emotions in people who played the game, because it looks super bland to someone who hasn't (me).

That's so true. It did bring back some emotions for me.

Very good game, great gameplay. Loved the co-op - was unheard of for its time for that type of game.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 11:43:32 PM | message detail
SoM cut sonic also!
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tim333 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:45:48 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3457&type=1&seconds=60&max=0

Okay that is NOT NORMAL
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/17/2009 11:46:49 PM | message detail

From: tim333 | Posted: 4/18/2009 2:45:48 AM | #068
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3457&type=1&seconds=60&max=0

Okay that is NOT NORMAL


....WHAT THE HELL
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 11:48:13 PM | message detail
someone seems to be helping som lol
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:50:07 PM | message detail
Just a big spike, probably signaling the beginning of a comeback attempt overnight by SoM. Nothing at all unusual; you see updates like that in every match.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 11:51:08 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #071
Just a big spike, probably signaling the beginning of a comeback attempt overnight by SoM. Nothing at all unusual; you see updates like that in every match.


it went from like 27% to 36%...
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:51:44 PM | message detail
Oh, and those kinds of updates will probably be the norm in a couple hours when Europe and late night voters have their say.
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tim333 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:52:37 PM | message detail
Sure, SoM suddenly having an update well above MK2 is nothing special. But above SONIC? WTF
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:55:00 PM | message detail
It's not like Sonic is far ahead of MK2. It's lost an update to it already. Really, when you have a match with 288 updates in total, some of them are going to end up pretty far from the mean. That's just basic probability.
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creativename | Posted 4/17/2009 11:56:15 PM | message detail
That was weird. Let's see what happens. Might be shenanigans, might not be.

Not like it matters anyway, no chance of SoM actually placing here.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/17/2009 11:56:32 PM | message detail
you're not trying to cover up something are you red sox 666
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/17/2009 11:57:24 PM | message detail
Well, no upset here, but SoM's doing pretty good and that's good enough for me.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:03:58 AM | message detail
Obviously not. I hate how people nowadays throw out the idea of shenanigans for updates that deviate to an amount that happens in every match. If there were really outrageous updates or a number of strange spikes, that would be different, but unless you see behavior that doesn't happen often in matches, you can't really say anything about whether there is stuffing going in the poll just from looking at the updates.
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tim333 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:06:07 AM | message detail
Who's claiming shenanigans? I was just expressing surprise at the rather unusually large spike for SoM in that update.
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masseffect90 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:08:15 AM | message detail
There's stuffing going on in almost every poll sox. People know how to do it, and there's money on the line. So in any match where stuffing could plausibly make a difference, someone's gonna try.
red sox 777 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:08:24 AM | message detail
Well, you said "not normal," which presumably means "could not happen normally, without interference," no? If that's not what you meant, it's what people typically mean with those words in this topic.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:09:50 AM | message detail
I mean the matches that aren't close too, by every match. Not just the close ones. It's just that no one notices when it happens in a match that isn't close enough to have people paying attention to cuts and the like.
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tim333 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:11:43 AM | message detail
I meant not normal in the sense of "not something you usually see". I've been following this contest and spikes like that one are pretty uncommon.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:13:54 AM | message detail
Mortal Kombat II by the hour against Secret of Mana:

1:00 | 55.02%
2:00 | 53.32%
3:00 | 51.19%
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:18:36 AM | message detail
I meant not normal in the sense of "not something you usually see".

Ok then, sorry for jumping on that. There's been way too much speculation on shenanigans based on very little data in this topic; that's all. It's also worth noting that a lack of suspicious looking updates is not sufficient evidence for lack of stuffing.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 12:27:00 AM | message detail
Wow.. Sonic just fell off the map there.

It's no wonder Super Mario Kart beat it now.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:43:34 AM | message detail
I gotta say though

Secret of manas night vote is deadly
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tim333 | Posted 4/18/2009 12:51:52 AM | message detail
I just... what the **** Sonic

Nothing makes sense anymore.
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Gaddswell | Posted 4/18/2009 12:58:48 AM | message detail
Well, it'll be 4 am soon.

Time to see if SoM will have the Chrono Trigger drop off.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 12:59:47 AM | message detail
Well, I'm glad Sonic 2 and MK2 didn't choke!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:00:02 AM | message detail
It shouldn't, since SoM released in Europe whereas CT didn't.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 1:00:19 AM | message detail
Yes, this is Sonic 2 not choking to me. I know it's silly.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:02:50 AM | message detail
If anything, SoM seems to be getting stronger.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:19:58 AM | message detail
lol sonic is getting big % losses during europe vote

none of this makes sense anymore
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Gaddswell | Posted 4/18/2009 1:43:16 AM | message detail
That's 3 SoM cuts in a row!

Wonder if it can get things down under 750 with the weekend night vote.
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 4/18/2009 1:43:19 AM | message detail
Secret of Mana was, as far as I remember, the first Square rpg to get released in Europe. And there weren't many rpgs released in Europe in those days. I don't want to say it was the first jrpg ever released in Europe, but it's the first one I remember.

The game should be decently strong in Europe.
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NineInch11 | Posted 4/18/2009 1:45:19 AM | message detail
Too bad SF II won't ever win...
Sonic's awesome though
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:47:54 AM | message detail
by decently strong, its outdoing sonic

we might have a new europe beast in the making! Its cut 60 votes from MK last 4 updates
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:53:46 AM | message detail
oh, and first jrpg in europe would be phantasy star

Sega always brought their stuff over there; part of why sega does so well in europe, because sega looked out for them instead of being screwed by nintendo so much.
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