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| charmander6000 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:59:39 PM | message detail |
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| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 7:01:02 PM | message detail |
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I don't think discarding the Ramza comparison is the right way to go.
Characters =/= games, but we can establish some general trendlines from
how they perform. I don't think anyone expects SotN to be even close to
how it performed in 2004, and a good deal of this is a result of
Alucard's constant slippage throughout the years. Ramza decreasing
relative to 2003 is a similar situation, I think. That's not why I'm taking Pokemon > FFT (that's more a combination of STF, faith in Xenogears' 2k4 strength coupled with Pokemon increasing and MGS hurting it to a certain extent). But it's something that can't be ignored. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 7:02:59 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2983 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993 Putting up 43.3% on a Zelda game is pretty damn impressive to me. A Zelda game that got quintupled by Super Mario Galaxy? Your argument is floundering. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 7:03:35 PM | message detail |
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From: Karma Hunter | #453 SFF. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/18/2009 7:06:02 PM | message detail |
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The only Pokemon game that's going to be worth much is R/B/Y (which should be worth a lot). --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 7:06:35 PM | message detail |
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Any Zelda game that gets SFFed to the tune of being driven below 16% by
a third tier Mario isn't a Zelda game worth discussing on any level.
Period. I have G/S > FFT, but this is just an awful line of
reasoning. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 7:07:41 PM | message detail |
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Third tier? I'd say Mario Galaxy should be at SMW/SM64 level. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 7:08:31 PM | message detail |
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Mario Galaxy: third tier in strength, first tier in gameplay. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 7:09:28 PM | message detail |
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Go ahead and take that pick, then! Wouldn't much matter in any case. SMB3 itself could have been the SFFing entity in that match - the horridness of that performance still makes for an abysmally weak Zelda. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 7:10:03 PM | message detail |
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Which means the only argument for FFT is franchise voting. And
thanks for providing the two polls. We have 2 FF games scoring 5.5 and
11.25, respectively. Franchise voting is obviously not as big for FF as
it is for other franchises. Or I could just point out that FFIV got 51% a few days ago or that FFI got more on Mario World than it had any right to get. Also, I love Albion's circular and selective reasoning in his arguments. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 7:10:08 PM | message detail |
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Oh, I'm not taking Phantom Hourglass to mean anything, and that was a
bad example he used. I was just saying why it looked so bad on Galaxy. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 7:10:19 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225 Hey look, Link's Awakening got octupled by Ocarina of Time, it must be weak as hell. All I am saying is that Pokemon is almost twice as strong right now as it is in 2004. This, the format, and standing out as the only Nintendo game in the poll should give it an easy win. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 7:11:40 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225 You know, I just realized with this poll with MM beign sff'd majorly, it should be way stronger then Links Awakening, and Links Awakening put up like what, almost 40% on FF6 itself? Majoras Mask is one to watch. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 7:12:19 PM | message detail |
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All I am saying is that Pokemon is almost twice as strong right now as it is in 2004. That's a really bold statement. I'm willing to believe it's stronger, but the individual games are gonna have to pony up before I believe the series as a whole is that much stronger. A couple of wonky Pikachu polls and an overperformance on Metroid are not enough to sway me, especially given Diamond/Pearl's inexplicably bad performance in that GotY poll. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 7:13:56 PM | message detail |
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especially given Diamond/Pearl's inexplicably bad performance in that GotY poll. Pokemon is a casual series, no? I can easily see it losing support to bigger named Nintendo series. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 7:15:11 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225 Hey look, Link's Awakening got octupled by Ocarina of Time, it must be weak as hell. You're seriously comparing the strongest Zelda SFFing one of the weaker ones from its own series - in a multi-way poll comprised of NOTHING but Zeldas! - to a third-tier Mario SFFing a Zelda game, which is already an embarrassment because ZELDA is the one that SFFs Mario, not the other way around. Phantom Hourglass is next to nothing - it's an absurdly weak, gimmicky, throwaway entry that couldn't hold a candle to anything with a name and a fanbase. And D/P still loses to it - because D/P *is* nothing. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/18/2009 7:16:07 PM | message detail |
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Using Pikachu, Mewtwo, GotY polls ect. to determine the strength of any
Pokemon games, especially R/B/Y, is really poor reasoning. Which is all
the reasoning we have, but it just doesn't work. We're not going to know how they do until we get to them. Anything else is just guesswork on our part. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/18/2009 7:16:57 PM | message detail |
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I would consider taking SMG over SM64, but I'm probably in the minority there. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 7:18:15 PM | message detail |
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This is the last I will argue about Pokemon. http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Pikachu_vs_Tidus_vs_Isaac_vs_Serge_2007 Check the oracle for it. Nobody gave Pikachu a chance because they expected him to be weak again like he used to be. To lose big to effing Tidus. You guys are once again going to be burned by Pokemon by not giving it a shot and its going to come back to burn you And thats all I'll talk about it till the eve of the first Pokemon match! --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 7:18:53 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon is not a casual series, that is why it does so well in this format. Let me make it clear that I am not taking Pokemon over FFT one-on-one. I am taking Pokemon over FFT in a 4-way format with MGS also in the poll. As for Pokemon being twice as strong, the number of people "not interested" in Pokemon has been cut in half between the first and the thrid polls. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=319 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1198 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2727 Or just click on "Topic List". In 2002, the whole board was cheering on Parappa to beat Pikachu. How many topics do you see about Pokemon right now on Board 8? --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/18/2009 7:19:08 PM | message detail |
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Regardless of contest strength I doubt handheld games would do well in
GotY polls. There's a certain stigma that comes with wanting to crown a
handheld game the title of GotY regardless of how well liked it is --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/18/2009 7:21:02 PM | message detail |
| R/B/Y should do at least decently, at least. Even if it doesn't squeeze into R2, I could never see it getting fodderized. Everything else is more or less just one step or two above PoP in strength though. I simply don't see the rest of the Pokémon line being loved here. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 7:22:35 PM | message detail |
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Regardless of contest strength I doubt handheld games would do well
in GotY polls. There's a certain stigma that comes with wanting to
crown a handheld game the title of GotY regardless of how well liked it
is You know, I agree with this to an extent. That, and these contest polls are just different than the GotY polls at times. I don't think either will be worth much, but pit Phantom Hourglass against Diamond/Purple in one of these matches, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Pokemon game won. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 7:22:40 PM | message detail |
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Everything else is more or less just one step or two above PoP in strength though You're saying they are barely going to hit 4%? -.- --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 7:23:14 PM | message detail |
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I would consider taking SMG over SM64, but I'm probably in the minority there. I'd love to see it happen, but I just wouldn't imagine it would. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 7:23:46 PM | message detail |
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I don't think either will be worth much, but pit Phantom Hourglass
against Diamond/Purple in one of these matches, and I wouldn't be at
all surprised if the Pokemon game won. ...I would. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/18/2009 7:24:35 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #457 lol albion --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/18/2009 7:25:58 PM | message detail |
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SM64 has nostalgia, Galaxy has recency. I'd say both are liked about
the same among the fanbase (maybe SM64 has a slight edge, but it's
nothing huge). It could do it! =( --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/18/2009 7:27:52 PM | message detail |
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You're saying they are barely going to hit 4%? -.- Reread what I wrote. "One or two steps above", which means they're going to be at any range from Vyse-like to low-midcarder levels, but no better than that. I didn't say "at PoP's level", after all. |
| DiorHomme | Posted 4/18/2009 7:29:25 PM | message detail |
| Beep. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 7:42:02 PM | message detail |
| There's going to be a drop-off after R/B/Y, and
considering that I think R/B/Y/FFT would be a good match, FFT > GS
makes it all the easier for me. I can see G/S placing, however. Xenogears is looking better by the day, and FFT is most likely nowhere near its 2004 levels, but after looking at the first Final Fantasy, it should have enough to at least win now. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: Sonic 2 > MKII - Points: 30/44 Vote: Sonic 2 |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 7:43:04 PM | message detail |
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Also, where did the idea that Galaxy was a third-tier Mario come from? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2995 It put 47.7% on Twilight Princess... which I thought we agreed was the third strongest Zelda. Pretty damn good, if you ask me. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 7:44:06 PM | message detail |
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That poll was at the absolute height of Galaxy mania, though. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 7:44:22 PM | message detail |
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Just letting you all know I've started my work on my WoW rallying
strategy for this year; to have a level 1 alt on all 127 servers
spamming once every 15 minutes on the general channel to
"www.gamefaqs.com Vote for World of Warcraft!". I'm not pulling any
punches this time. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 7:44:45 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and LoZ:WW is also in the poll. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 7:46:00 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | #482 Yes... 2 months after its release. TP was also splitting with Windwaker there. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: Sonic 2 > MKII - Points: 30/44 Vote: Sonic 2 |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 7:52:43 PM | message detail |
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That is not the point here, though. Say we adjust for Galaxy hype dying
down and it puts up only 40% on TP. Can you imagine SMW putting up 40%
on LttP? Or SM64 putting up 40% on OoT? The fact that it holds up so
well to SFF suggests that Galaxy is closer to the SMW/SM64 as opposed
to the SMB/SMW2 tier. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 7:56:22 PM | message detail |
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We don't know if they would or not, but I don't see why they couldn't.
TP isn't stronger than Ocarina of Time and Mario World is already
projected to get 38%. 40% should be no problem for both games. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: Sonic 2 > MKII - Points: 30/44 Vote: Sonic 2 |
| Big Bob | Posted 4/18/2009 7:57:58 PM | message detail |
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Okay, I'm getting sick of this. Stop saying "oh man super mario kart universe got 34.56% against Zelda: train wars" when the games are in a multi-way poll. Time after time it's been proven that the only thing those polls are good for is just a general sense of where the games are in comparison to each other. There's bound to be much more SFF-infestation in those polls, regardless of how obvious it is (games from different genres, platforms, and eras can still have an effect on each other). I haven't even bothered taking a look at the X-stats for the last two contests because I know they're completely worthless. Trying to translate multi-game polls into a 1 v 1 setting is pretty useless. Just...stop trying to explain things with numbers. --- Just say the word and it's bear time! http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=big_bob |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 7:58:33 PM | message detail |
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Or that TP was a massive disappointment and that is reflected by
Galaxy's very performance on it. There's a reason why the Wii is looked
upon so unfavorably by today's voters - and the Brawl hype letdown is
only one piece of the puzzle. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/18/2009 8:01:19 PM | message detail |
| Oooooor...it could be elitism showing through. I have a feeling the Wii isn't liked simply because it doesn't cater to the hardcore people here, not because its actually bad. Sort of like the Rock Band/Guitar Hero real instrument controversy, if you will. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 8:06:17 PM | message detail |
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If TP and Brawl hadn't been such disappointments, you certainly wouldn't be seeing the Wii getting crushed by the Playstation 3,
of all things. The hype surrounding both was deafening, and both
releases were heralded by legions of fans anticipating - nay, EXPECTING
- the best game ever. Not only did they not get that, they got games
that ended up woefully disappointing, and even though both got their
respective GotYs they don't hold a candle to their major predecessors.
TP would be lucky to edge Zelda 1, honestly. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 8:07:21 PM | message detail |
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You know something? Twilight Princess was a disappointment to me, too.
So what? We are talking about contest strength, and we validate our
statements with cold, hard facts. Are you going to dispute the fact
that TP is the third strongest Zelda? Tell me, which other Zeldas other
than OoT and LttP would you put over it? And we all saw how strong a low-tier Zelda like Link's Awakening can be. Which just means that Mario Galaxy has every right to be strong as well. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/18/2009 8:09:58 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, LA may be a low tier Zelda game but it put on a damn good
performance meaning that even low-lying main series titles can make a
little noise. After OOT and LTTP, I would put MM...go ahead and attack me. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 8:10:18 PM | message detail |
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Are you going to dispute the fact that TP is the third strongest
Zelda? Tell me, which other Zeldas other than OoT and LttP would you
put over it? TP would be lucky to edge Zelda 1 For clarity's sake. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 8:10:35 PM | message detail |
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Oh, it seems I posted too late. You seem to think that the strength of a console somehow translates to the strengths of the individual games on it! Ha. What faulty logic. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3209 This is the only console poll that matters. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/18/2009 8:10:49 PM | message detail |
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Actually, more I think about it Zelda 1 or MM would contend for the third-strongest slot. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| PrinceKaro | Posted 4/18/2009 8:11:56 PM | message detail |
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500? --- ...and this is for MUFFIN!!!! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 8:12:44 PM | message detail |
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play lufia 2 --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/voteps4plz.jpg |
| transience | Posted 4/18/2009 8:12:47 PM | message detail |
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earthbound sucks --- xyzzy http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7033/trannyanalysis.png |
