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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 677

HaRRicH | Posted 4/15/2009 5:13:37 PM | message detail
you're looking at that poll wrong. stop comparing EB to CT -- CT has loads of reasons to not do well there.

compare it to SMK instead. that's the one that wasn't held back. EB's a cute pick there. I don't know what to think of it.


I usually ignore how EB did against CT when I use that poll because it's the most useless comparison here; way too many RPGs, CT:DS in the near-future, what have you. I only brought it up this time because EB is still the fishy one in the poll with or without that point. EB beating SMK like that is definitely the bigger issue. I brought up both since EB's fishy in two different ways; the poll most likely would have looked rather normal without EB there now that we've seen MM2/MM3 bomb.

It'll be interesting to see if EB can pull another surprise soon or not.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/15/2009 5:13:45 PM | message detail
Man, what the heck happened during that ASV? I can understand long, drawn out stalls; I can understand mostly stalling with one character spiking every now and then to build up a lead, what I cannot understand is characters taking turns spiking.

Down 63
Down 76
Up 40
Up 66
Down 27
Down 21

Huh?
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/15/2009 5:14:05 PM | message detail
Now we have a match.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Sonic 3 > Super Metroid Points: 24/32
R0YKEANO | Posted 4/15/2009 5:15:14 PM | message detail
I don't know how many times a Metroid game has to suck it up on this site for people to reach the obvious conclusion.

- Super Metroid getting tripled by Lttp
- Metroid Prime losing soundly to Wind Waker
- Metroid getting quadrupled by SMB3
- Metroid Prime almost losing to Half Life BEFORE HL2.
- 15% on the Zelda series
- Barely beating the Pokemon series at a time when Pokemon was Xenogears fodder.
- Possibly and Probably losing to Mario Kart.


Metroid has been nothing but a big serious of let downs. And when you're under performing all the time, it probably means you aren't all that. Like Mega Man, Samus is the other Noble Niner who I've never quite understood what exactly they're doing there. Their games have far more logical popularity so whatever it is with their fanbase that lets them ride the Nintendo wagon to the top it doesn't work quite so well with their games.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:15:37 PM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | #402
Man, what the heck happened during that ASV? I can understand long, drawn out stalls; I can understand mostly stalling with one character spiking every now and then to build up a lead, what I cannot understand is characters taking turns spiking.

Down 63
Down 76
Up 40
Up 66
Down 27
Down 21

Huh?


stuffing
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R0YKEANO | Posted 4/15/2009 5:17:01 PM | message detail

From: Biolizard28 | #399
Sonic vs. Pikachu

Who ya got?


One on One? Sonic with ~65%. 4-ways? Who knows, Who cares.
MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/15/2009 5:19:08 PM | message detail
- Barely beating the Pokemon series at a time when Pokemon was Xenogears fodder.

Pokemon in 2006 is clearly not Gold & Silver in 2004.

Also you can't discredit Prime for losing to Wind Waker; it didn't get SFF'd or anything. It was just weaker.
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BGE2 - Today: SM > Sonic 3 - Points: 24/32 Vote: SMK
voltch | Posted 4/15/2009 5:23:33 PM | message detail
it's over SMK has it,can't see SM holding,cling, etc at that flimsy lead.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:24:08 PM | message detail
yay mario kart is winning
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/15/2009 5:25:45 PM | message detail
This is the worst match ever. End this crap already.
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voltch | Posted 4/15/2009 5:25:57 PM | message detail
1 vote lead again?!?!?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/15/2009 5:27:23 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 4/15/2009 8:25:45 PM | #410
This is the worst match ever. End this crap already.


Why are so many people saying this?

More importantly, don't stats topics usually turn into a big horse race during close matches like this? I'm confused.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:28:07 PM | message detail
why do people not want a close nail biter match instead of blow out after blow out
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voltch | Posted 4/15/2009 5:29:59 PM | message detail
2 ninty franchises at each other's throats will never cause a ****storm of say split fanbases,though i thought we'd have gone through 2 topics more.
and 4 if it was a big match.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/15/2009 5:30:37 PM | message detail
Yeah, Crono/Vincent caused a firestorm in here.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/15/2009 5:31:33 PM | message detail
I think its sporadic tendencies needing much more constant attention (as opposed to seeing traditional comebacks or normal wire-to-wire matches) and the unfortunate disaster that is Sonic 3 being killed is what's making this a more frustrating close match to watch.

I still enjoy it, mind you -- this is just my guess on people in general here.
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voltch | Posted 4/15/2009 5:32:08 PM | message detail
crono/vincent,we need more old school vs new school,old vs old ain't cutting it.
though do we have a freshman,sophomore,senior year for gaming?
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trannyscience | Posted 4/15/2009 5:33:35 PM | message detail
this match is just silly. it's good, but it doesn't seem legit at all.
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voltch | Posted 4/15/2009 5:34:29 PM | message detail
then lets DQ both and gogo sonic and gunstar!
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/15/2009 5:35:08 PM | message detail
Wow, this is insane. When I first saw the updated poll results, I thought Sonic was the one on par with Metroid, not Mario Kart. How the hell does Mario Kart have this much strength? It lost pretty comfortably to Mega Man in the series contest, if I recall.
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camel405 | Posted 4/15/2009 5:35:43 PM | message detail
12 vote difference
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MnMZero | Posted 4/15/2009 5:38:12 PM | message detail
These two are still at it? Geez, just get it over with.

*holds vote until the very end* <_<;
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:39:10 PM | message detail
dayum mario kart up by 22 now
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Smurf Alt | Posted 4/15/2009 5:40:13 PM | message detail
I'm turning in for the night, you'll soon see just how "silly" it was. ^_~
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:40:42 PM | message detail
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/15/2009 5:41:15 PM | message detail
n_n
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/15/2009 5:41:43 PM | message detail

From: trannyscience | Posted: 4/15/2009 8:33:35 PM | #418
this match is just silly. it's good, but it doesn't seem legit at all.


As Ceej has always said, CHEATING ON BOTH SIDES EVENLY ISN'T ACTUALLY CHEATING lololol
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/15/2009 5:44:17 PM | message detail
Switching between 20 vote leads per update. Just weird
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/15/2009 5:47:26 PM | message detail
People aren't excited because:

1. Both of these games move on either way.
2. We don't have any large vote swings.
3. Everyone is convinced things aren't legit.
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 4/15/2009 5:47:29 PM | message detail
Super Metroid's got this. Book it. Anyone wanna account bet?

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/15/2009 5:51:01 PM | message detail
This is going to come down to the very last update, jeez.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:52:50 PM | message detail
Thanks alot Smurf, now you make me feel like SMK stands no chance -.-
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E_Gadd | Posted 4/15/2009 5:52:54 PM | message detail
Looks like I came to check up on this at a very good time!

I see SMK actually took the lead for a bit 30 minutes ago.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/15/2009 5:53:10 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | Posted: 4/15/2009 8:47:26 PM | #429
People aren't excited because:

1. Both of these games move on either way.
2. We don't have any large vote swings.
3. Everyone is convinced things aren't legit.


We've had THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT LEGIT matches go through without a peep before. I really appreciate Bacon's topic yesterday, but tonight will really matter.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:54:00 PM | message detail
Yeah if Bacon check Battletoads when it was third, he better check this match
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/15/2009 5:54:29 PM | message detail
Well, SB has shown he cares now, at least. Hopefully he'll continue to assure us in close matches like today.
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syco_coaster | Posted 4/15/2009 5:54:57 PM | message detail
This is absolutely insane. Borderline stressful.

How many people actually picked SMK>SM?
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/15/2009 5:54:57 PM | message detail
Holy crap, I come back from work and I see the vote difference is 4 votes. This is nuts.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/15/2009 5:55:18 PM | message detail
My reaction to the random spiking was foul play as well, but it doesn't seem to correlate with vote totals. If there was cheating, I would expect that one game's gains would consistently come when votals for that update period were high, but that doesn't seem to be happening. (It's worth noting that it did happen with Battletoad's rallying.)

But here, we have

Time | Votals | SM's Lead Change
17:45 | 1404 | Down 63
18:00 | 1362 | Down 76
18:15 | 1369 | Up 40
18:30 | 1421 | Up 66

High votals = good Mario Kart update
Low votals = good Mario Kart update
High votals = good Super Metroid update
Low votals = good Super Metroid update
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/15/2009 5:56:51 PM | message detail
Well, SB has shown he cares now, at least. Hopefully he'll continue to assure us in close matches like today.

I missed it. What happened?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:57:48 PM | message detail

From: Masato_Tanaka | #440
Well, SB has shown he cares now, at least. Hopefully he'll continue to assure us in close matches like today.

I missed it. What happened?


He made a topic showing that Battletoads had 2500 estimated rally votes.
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E_Gadd | Posted 4/15/2009 5:57:49 PM | message detail
Uh... so is this just some really funky 50-50 SFF going on, resulting in one SFFing the other for an update and the other SFFing the first back on another?
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/15/2009 5:58:16 PM | message detail
He made a topic showing that Battletoads had 2500 estimated rally votes.

Hahaha that is excellent!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:58:16 PM | message detail

From: E_Gadd | #442
Uh... so is this just some really funky 50-50 SFF going on, resulting in one SFFing the other for an update and the other SFFing the first back on another?


basically plus huge Mario KArt updates out of no where alot making me suspect stuffing
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/15/2009 5:58:16 PM | message detail

From: Masato_Tanaka | Posted: 4/15/2009 8:56:51 PM | #440
Well, SB has shown he cares now, at least. Hopefully he'll continue to assure us in close matches like today.

I missed it. What happened?


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=49072085
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/15/2009 5:58:47 PM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 4/15/2009 8:55:18 PM | #439
My reaction to the random spiking was foul play as well, but it doesn't seem to correlate with vote totals. If there was cheating, I would expect that one game's gains would consistently come when votals for that update period were high, but that doesn't seem to be happening. (It's worth noting that it did happen with Battletoad's rallying.)

But here, we have

Time | Votals | SM's Lead Change
17:45 | 1404 | Down 63
18:00 | 1362 | Down 76
18:15 | 1369 | Up 40
18:30 | 1421 | Up 66

High votals = good Mario Kart update
Low votals = good Mario Kart update
High votals = good Super Metroid update
Low votals = good Super Metroid update


Great point, but Starcraft's matches were all low-scoring.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/15/2009 5:58:53 PM | message detail
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/15/2009 5:59:16 PM | message detail
Thanks Ulti
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/15/2009 5:59:45 PM | message detail
This was also a very low-scoring match: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2084
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 6:02:43 PM | message detail
basically it confirms if battletoads, whcih stood no chance, can get 2500 rally votes... whats to stop stuff like wow and starcraft from getting 6k or more in a match that counts?
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