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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 676

RPGuy96 | Posted 4/15/2009 12:14:38 AM | message detail
**** the contest, I want to see RPGuy write a master's thesis on this ****.

Sorry, my master's thesis is on something very different, though there is a fair amount of statistic involved. <_<
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/15/2009 12:16:17 AM | message detail
Doom will be a very tall task for DKC. It put up 57% on Earthbound before Doom 3 and GameFAQs general increased acceptance of shooters and the whole "Xbox family" of games. Can DKC beat Earthbound? Sure, but we're not sure if it crushes it. Of course, there's also a Zelda in the way.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/15/2009 12:16:29 AM | message detail
Statistics. I should not be posting things at 3 AM.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/15/2009 12:18:37 AM | message detail
Also, the "progenitor respect" theory might actually apply more to Doom than to DKC (not like it'll matter much when the #3 game on the site is there, though). Most gamers know the industry owes a lot to Doom.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/15/2009 12:20:59 AM | message detail
You'd better be going ape**** with math and extrapolations regardless of who wins the incoming FF4/FF1 match.
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Xuxon | Posted 4/15/2009 12:21:46 AM | message detail
Bah, what about Wolfenstein 3D?
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/15/2009 12:23:05 AM | message detail
Most gamers aren't that knowledgeable. =P
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masseffect90 | Posted 4/15/2009 12:24:28 AM | message detail
MKII>Sonic II confirmed?
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/15/2009 12:25:47 AM | message detail
Nope. Sonic 1 just beat Street Fighter II very easily, so there's no way the stronger Sonic game would lose to a weaker fighter.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/15/2009 12:26:43 AM | message detail
In 2k4 SFF'd Super Metroid was just above Doom in the unadjusted extrapolated standing. SM fought aLttp directly and Doom fought FF3 who fought a Lttp so the path between them if pretty short. If you throw in LFF from Mario Kart, Doom is looking pretty good. Mario Kart just needs to get crushed by aLttP and LFF'd a bit by Super Metroid.
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alexazx | Posted 4/15/2009 12:34:06 AM | message detail
I'll eat my hat if FFIV is beaten by FFI. Yes, FFI was the first game in the series, but FFI has nothing up against FFIV. Noone would even dream about Legend of Zelda beating Zelda: A Link to the Past. The same applies here.
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/15/2009 12:35:55 AM | message detail
It's not quite the same. Your scenario would be accurate if it was FF1 vs. FF3/6 (no one would take that upset), but there's much room for speculation and debate here.
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Gaddswell | Posted 4/15/2009 12:47:05 AM | message detail
SMK's been stalling for 40 straight minutes now.

Wonder if it can actually take the lead for a bit with that morning?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/15/2009 1:02:51 AM | message detail
Wow, an hour long stall (actually, a bit of a cut), and it's just Europe at this time of night. Metroid's not in the clear yet, so things might just get interesting in a couple of hours.
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Gaddswell | Posted 4/15/2009 1:03:36 AM | message detail
Hmm... SMK actually won that last hour by 21 votes.
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alexazx | Posted 4/15/2009 1:32:28 AM | message detail
Well, FFIV have the greatest line in the FF series:
Tellah: "You Spoony Bard!"

I think you underestimate the FF fans if you think they would vote on FFI over the more accessible FFIV. FFIV was revolutionary story-wise, atleast in this series.
HaRRicH | Posted 4/15/2009 2:16:03 AM | message detail
SMK cut 64 from 4:00-5:00, and has knocked off more since then (especially that last update). SM better hope its day-vote is decent -- for as much praise as it's had and as badly as it beat SMK in the Top 100 List (#24 to #61), this would be a damaging loss for its cred.
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Gaddswell | Posted 4/15/2009 2:18:33 AM | message detail
And just like that, SMK with a 52 vote cut

During the nighttime no less!
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/15/2009 2:29:45 AM | message detail
SM's trying to cover the wound left behind now, at least...but that one update hurt.

Goin' to bed -- I figure SMK will be ahead when I see this again.
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transience | Posted 4/15/2009 2:34:32 AM | message detail
looks like Europe killed Super Metroid. if that's the case, Super Metroid needs to win the day vote to beat SMK -- something I don't feel confident in at all.
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transience | Posted 4/15/2009 2:41:27 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3294
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3294&region=EUR

Samus underperformed by 5% in Europe.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3301
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3301&region=EUR

despite Crono being in the poll, Samus was still below average while Vincent went up by 9% and Pikachu 2%.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3280
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3280&region=EUR

same with Frog, though this one is less extreme.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3252
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3252&region=EUR

...Europe doesn't care about Samus confirmed.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/15/2009 2:47:13 AM | message detail
She looks toast, argh. Regardless, win or lose, this looks great for Doom. Even if Mario Kart folds worse in the next round, having the two weaker Nintendo games go 50/50 right now is the best thing Doom could have hoped for.
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cyko | Posted 4/15/2009 4:12:14 AM | message detail
I may be in the minority here, but I am pleased to see Sonic fall flat on his face. I am also pleased to see SMK do so well because the original Mario Kart is easily the best of the series.Great short tracks, no stupid blue shells and no stupid rubber band AI!

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Childproof | Posted 4/15/2009 4:24:11 AM | message detail
ooh, Samus is a feisty one
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Starion | Posted 4/15/2009 4:50:11 AM | message detail
On the subject of Europe, what type of games do Europeans generally go for? There are games that have relatively even appeal in the major gaming regions and some that don't (Metroid in Japan vs America is a good example of this).
White_Turtle | Posted 4/15/2009 4:51:46 AM | message detail
Europeans like crappy casual games, soccer games, and furry games.

They dislike fantastically made games

lol europe
LeonhartFour | Posted 4/15/2009 5:07:38 AM | message detail
Well, this poll makes no sense at all! Sonic 1 creams SFII and Sonic 3 gets owned by Metroid and Mario Kart. Well, at least the MKII > Sonic 2 upset train is back on the tracks!

...How in the world did Mario Kart lose to Mega Man in the Series Contest again? Either way, I'd hate to have Star Fox 64 > Mario Kart 64 right now!

Also, this makes Metroid look awfully weak. Not that I'm horribly surprised. Prime/Super Metroid: Who you got?

Yesterday's chart:

Time | Crystalis | FFIV | Mega Man 3 | River City | Demographic
EBV | 4.49% | 49.24% | 36.80% | 9.48% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 4.56% | 47.63% | 37.05% | 10.76% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 4.06% | 51.26% | 33.87% | 10.80% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 3.54% | 54.08% | 33.72% | 8.66% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 4.06% | 50.98% | 35.05% | 9.90% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 3.89% | 50.11% | 36.13% | 9.87% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 4.12% | 48.75% | 36.13% | 11.00% | (22:00-24:00)

FFIV with the morning vote, MM3 with the Power Hour and the afternoon. Crystalis and RCR suck at all times.

Yesterday's stats:

Final Fantasy IV – 50.00%
Mega Man 3 – 41.07%
River City Ransom – 16.57%
Crystalis – 7.32%
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/15/2009 5:12:56 AM | message detail
Oh wow, Super Mario Kart is pulling a comeback here, but I bet Europe is to blame for this again. I think Metroid isn't as popular there.

Time | Crystalis | FFIV | Mega Man 3 | River City | Demographic
EBV | 4.49% | 49.24% | 36.80% | 9.48% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 4.56% | 47.63% | 37.05% | 10.76% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 4.06% | 51.26% | 33.87% | 10.80% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 3.54% | 54.08% | 33.72% | 8.66% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 4.06% | 50.98% | 35.05% | 9.90% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 3.89% | 50.11% | 36.13% | 9.87% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 4.12% | 48.75% | 36.13% | 11.00% | (22:00-24:00)


So Leon, I want to ask you a quick question about the way you do your trend charts. Suppose there was a 14:28 update and a 14:33 update for a match. Which update would you use to calculate the trends for the DSV? I would have used the 14:33 update since it was the first update that came in after the start of the ASV.

There's only been one time where I actually posted a trend chart for a contest match and that was for last year's bonus match. The trends I calculated were identical to what Leon got, but only for the EBV, PHV, FNV, and BSV. There were some very small differences (about 0.01-0.03% differences) in the trends I calculated for the DSV, ASV, and SNV. That's because if no update lands exactly on the time that there is a voting period change (14:30 for the ASV start, 22:00 for the SNV start, etc), I use the first update that came in after the start of a voting period change. I'm sure Leon probably did it differently than me.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/15/2009 5:17:39 AM | message detail
Something tells me the winner of LA/MMX will also beat Sonic 2.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/15/2009 5:28:34 AM | message detail
I usually use the time that's closest to the trend change, but it doesn't affect too much one way or the other unless there's a mega update at the time of the change.

DKC... now there's a game I can't see advance. Hard to imagine anyone voting for it with LttP there.

*raises hand*

Glad I have Doom to round 3!

And I knew I was right by saying I didn't understand why Mario Kart wasn't more popular around here because like everyone I know in real life who plays video games loves Mario Kart and even some who don't! I bet it was that darn Double Dash that kept MK from beating Mega Man in the Series Contest!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/15/2009 5:37:46 AM | message detail
I usually use the time that's closest to the trend change, but it doesn't affect too much one way or the other unless there's a mega update at the time of the change.

I figured you would have done that.

Glad I have Doom to round 3!

I have it getting up to round 2 and being eliminated there. I think the strength difference of an un-SFFed Doom and an un-SFFed Super Metroid/Super Mario Kart is too great for Doom to capitalize those two games being SFFed by LttP and sneak through with second place.

The thing with SFF is that if the weaker game is significantly weaker than the game being SFFed, no amount of SFF will push the stronger game below the level of the weaker game. Example: OoT/LttP/Zelda 1/Doom

OoT will clearly SFF the other 2 Zelda games, but LttP and Zelda 1 are so significantly stronger than Doom that the SFF from OoT will not push it below Doom's level. And I think this would be the case in Doom's round 2 match. Super Metroid and Super Mario Kart are too strong for Doom to handle, even with SFF.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/15/2009 5:40:04 AM | message detail
Anybody notice that every time Mario gets a good update, Sonic croaks?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/15/2009 5:46:55 AM | message detail
Hmm. Sonic sucking, surprising to me (though considering the origin of the competition, it really shouldn't any more). SM looks powerful based on the proportion it has with Sonic... but that takes zero account of how crazy close friggin' Super Mario Kart is getting to what is quite possibly Samus' most popular game (aside from SSBs of course... though I've always been on the Prime wagon).

I'm going to randomly assume due to fanboyism of all three games that instead of Metroid folding to Nintendo this is SM meeting expectations and SMK being unexpectedly strong. Although, should it really be unexpected? - this is the only Mario Kart game worth playing, after all. I'll take my feather over your blue shells *any* day!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/15/2009 5:51:15 AM | message detail
Anybody notice that every time Mario gets a good update, Sonic croaks?

I never noticed it, but now that I checked it out, I do notice that a lot of Sonic's bad updates (under 23%) are generally accompanied by good updates for Mario Kart (above 37%).

Crystalis and RCR suck at all times.

If I had to comment on those two games, I would say Crystalis doesn't have any clear best or worst time. For RCR, it had a good PHV, FNV, and SNV while it sucked in the BSV.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/15/2009 5:54:48 AM | message detail
Haha what in the world.

Man, screw this contest.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 5:56:30 AM | message detail
Mario Kart has this
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irriadin | Posted 4/15/2009 5:57:37 AM | message detail
well, this is certainly interesting so far.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/15/2009 5:58:00 AM | message detail
Might as well have SMK finish the upset...

If SMK takes first not only did I underestimate SMK, I overestimated Sonic 3 yet I'll get more points than the people who just underestimated SMK.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Sonic 3 > Super Metroid Points: 24/32
MnMZero | Posted 4/15/2009 5:59:14 AM | message detail
Yeah, I think this is more of a "Where the **** were you in the series contest Mario Kart????" But yeah, my fears have been confirmed. Individual Mario Kart games may be the SSB-lites that I thought they would be. Just looks like all the "classic" series gained more respect from the voters back then. Guess that explains Sonic doing well on SSB...

Oh, and if I see one more person bringing up SMW/CT SFF I'm going to hurt someone.
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transience | Posted 4/15/2009 6:00:48 AM | message detail
this is a pathetic morning vote for MK. I'm inclined to think that Europe just overwhelmingly backed Mario Kart and SMK is winning the morning vote, but it looks tame in comparison. this suggests that Metroid will do a lot better in the day vote and pull this out.

*shrug*
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/15/2009 6:01:27 AM | message detail
Who is ready for some Final Fantasy 7 > Mario Kart 64 in round 2.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 6:05:40 AM | message detail
uh wait wtf

why did metroid just gain 50 in 2 votes during the morning vote
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/15/2009 6:05:42 AM | message detail
Over the past 4 updates, Super Metroid got 3 spikes and only got stalled once. I think it's ready to pull away from Mario Kart now that Europe's influence is dying off.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/15/2009 6:06:05 AM | message detail
So this division might end up looking absolutely horrible for me, with Link's Awakening looming to screw up the second half of the division.

Here's looking forward to a perfect 1995-1997 division though, aww yeah!
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MnMZero | Posted 4/15/2009 6:06:58 AM | message detail
why did metroid just gain 50 in 2 votes during the morning vote

50 in two votes? hax
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 6:08:56 AM | message detail
*2 vote updates
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/15/2009 6:13:32 AM | message detail
It's been like that since last night, too.

I don't get it either. They're both pretty all over the place. I guess casual vs hardcore does that.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/15/2009 6:14:57 AM | message detail
I guess its the SFF
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Luis_Sera89 | Posted 4/15/2009 6:16:52 AM | message detail
If Mario Kart had done this in 2006, I would've won the damn Guru contest...

Aaarrrgh.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/15/2009 6:37:59 AM | message detail
*has Sonic 3 taking second in Round 2*

Maaaaan.

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