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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 676

PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/14/2009 7:12:01 PM | message detail
I wasn't talking about 2004.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:12:28 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1834

That.

I think it also speaks volumes that MMX performed at a level pretty much equal to MM in the last contest, despite MM pretty much encompassing the entire series.

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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/14/2009 7:12:45 PM | message detail
After reading over you post again, I'm not sure why I though you were talking about 2k4. >_>
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/14/2009 7:12:59 PM | message detail
Pfft, Phantasy Star 4 will surprise everyone and hahaha sorry I can't even joke about a non-Sonic Sega game advancing.

What is there to really debate concerning MMX/LA? They're both untested as hell, MMX has good reason to be strong despite its brethren bombing, LA has good reason to be strong despite being a handheld game. I certainly can't make a good judgment call here. All I can really hope for is FF6 getting over 70% and showing that both games are ****ing weak in a rather embarrassing display that makes everyone look the fool.
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plasmabeam | Posted 4/14/2009 7:13:44 PM | message detail
You would take Oracle of Ages over MMX?

On a site where the turd that is FF1 can perform well, based almost entirely on name value? Absolutely. The only Zelda game that I would hesitate to put over any Mega Man game is Four Swords Adventure.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/14/2009 7:14:51 PM | message detail

From: plasmabeam | #055
You would take Oracle of Ages over MMX?

On a site where the turd that is FF1 can perform well, based almost entirely on name value? Absolutely. The only Zelda game that I would hesitate to put over any Mega Man game is Four Swords Adventure.


I wish GameFAQs had good enough taste to vote the Oracles and FSA over MMX. :/
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:15:06 PM | message detail
...If you're willing to take Oracle of Seasons over MMX, then I don't think there's anything left to discuss.

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redrocket | Posted 4/14/2009 7:15:36 PM | message detail
On a site where the turd that is FF1 can perform well, based almost entirely on name value? Absolutely. The only Zelda game that I would hesitate to put over any Mega Man game is Four Swords Adventure.

...just 4SA? Not the original Four Swords? Or Minish Cap? or Phantom Hourglass?

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/14/2009 7:16:18 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #057
...If you're willing to take Oracle of Seasons over MMX, then I don't think there's anything left to discuss.


He said Oracle of Ages, though. Seasons is Tanner weak, but Ages would double Starcraft!
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Lopen | Posted 4/14/2009 7:16:37 PM | message detail
FF1 has more than name value

Get over it people
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plasmabeam | Posted 4/14/2009 7:21:26 PM | message detail
...just 4SA? Not the original Four Swords? Or Minish Cap? or Phantom Hourglass?

The original Four Swords is a multiplayer mode, so we'll ignore that. Minish Cap and Phantom Hourglass should have no problem. Don't forget that nearly 70% of the site said they owned a DS.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3437

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 7:22:07 PM | message detail
We've already seen how Oracles can do.

I don't think name value is enough even for that game.

You gotta have strength.. somewhere.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 7:22:48 PM | message detail

From: plasmabeam | #061
Don't forget that nearly 70% of the site said they owned a DS.


Don't forget that just about every DS game has been weak sauce.

In fact every DS game has been weak sauce.
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BGE2 - Today: FFIV > MM3 - Points: 20/28 Vote: MM3
KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:23:21 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2253
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993

Minish Cap and Phantom Hourglass, man.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 7:27:38 PM | message detail
So, anybody have an idea of trends of Super Metroid?
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BGE2 - Today: FFIV > MM3 - Points: 20/28 Vote: MM3
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 7:29:14 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=1639&type=2&seconds=60&max=0

nothing too significant
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 7:30:18 PM | message detail
That's an SFF match.
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BGE2 - Today: FFIV > MM3 - Points: 20/28 Vote: MM3
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/14/2009 7:30:39 PM | message detail
Super Metroid will have Mega Man like trends, will start off hard and fast, then level off throughout the day picking up again with the SNV.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 7:30:42 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=1628&type=2&seconds=60&max=0

lol wtf is was that a little bit before 0:44
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 7:31:48 PM | message detail
*a little bit after 0:44
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trannyscience | Posted 4/14/2009 7:32:11 PM | message detail
Metroid and Samus have the most even trends in contest history. where it starts is where it will end unless it gets a big board vote, but I don't see that happening beyond the first few seconds maybe.
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plasmabeam | Posted 4/14/2009 7:34:01 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2253
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993

Minish Cap and Phantom Hourglass, man.


Both of those are GotY polls with 8 or 9 options. If you give me either of those Zeldas vs. MMX straight up, I'll bank on Zelda. If you give me either Zelda vs. FF6 vs. MMX vs. PS4, I'll still take Zelda in 2nd.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/14/2009 7:34:45 PM | message detail
Hourglass did beat Pokemon Diamond/Pearl pretty easily at least
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 7:37:49 PM | message detail

From: plasmabeam | #072
Both of those are GotY polls with 8 or 9 options. If you give me either of those Zeldas vs. MMX straight up, I'll bank on Zelda.


Considering this contest is about 4 ways, that doesn't sound too promising.

In other words, I don't think this is a convincing argument for those games, at least.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:40:25 PM | message detail
Uh, it doesn't matter how many options were in the poll. If anything, this Zelda Franchise Voting you've been going on and on about should've made those games thrive there.

Minish Cap lost to Call of Duty 2, Mario Kart DS, and Star Wars: Battlefront II, and Phantom Hourglass lost to God of War II, failed to double Ratchet and Clank, and nearly lost to FFT: WotL. Not exactly stellar.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/14/2009 7:40:37 PM | message detail
this is where you tell me that Link's Awakening is some kind of handheld god, something I've never even come close to hearing, or you bring up its sales as if they matter. (all notable handheld games have big sales -- this is like arguing that NSMB would beat MMX because it sold a trillion copies.) Link's Awakening is a full tier below the Wind Waker / Majora's Mask bunching. let's stop pretending otherwise.

Ok, so forget the name and forget the sales numbers and let's just stick with handheld vs. console because it's nice for your argument. Forget the fact that LA was the most recent Zelda game for five years and the fact that Mega Man games have yet to impress so far. Console vs. handheld, argument over. You're doing everything people are accusing me of doing (ZELDA).

That Wind Waker/Metroid Prime analogy is also really faulty, but I won't bother pointing out why because I'm clearly just repeating one word over and over again while you guys are arguing circles around me.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 7:41:29 PM | message detail

From: The n00b Avenger | #073
Hourglass did beat Pokemon Diamond/Pearl pretty easily at least


How much is 57% on Diamond and Pearl worth in these things?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 7:43:10 PM | message detail
i'd take diamond/pearl over mmx tbqh
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/14/2009 7:43:47 PM | message detail
It's worth totally AWESOMENESS
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trannyscience | Posted 4/14/2009 7:44:36 PM | message detail
hey, you're the one who started it off by calling everyone stupid for thinking otherwise! I'm just returning the favour.

like I said, I have Zelda. but screaming about vgchartz pack-in sales is a huge hole in any argument, as is screaming ZELDA when every handheld Zelda has been pretty mediocre at best. the best argument here isn't that LA is strong - it's that Mega Man isn't.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/14/2009 7:46:34 PM | message detail
Exactly. When you're counting on an unproven handheld game to show a strength that it has no indication of having, you know you've lost the match.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/14/2009 7:47:14 PM | message detail
Cut the ****; I did no such thing and you're smart enough to know you can get half the people here to think I did just by casually mentioning it once. Don't put words in my mouth.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/14/2009 7:49:13 PM | message detail
Exactly. When you're counting on an unproven handheld game to show a strength that it has no indication of having, you know you've lost the match.

We've seen Mega Man X in a poll setting how many more times than Link's Awakening? They're both unproven.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:50:25 PM | message detail
MMX at least has his impressive showings last year, the poll that favors his series over MM's, and MM3's 'not bad' performance today.

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Lopen | Posted 4/14/2009 7:51:04 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3293

Mega Man X if I've ever seen it tbqh
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 7:52:00 PM | message detail
Plus Mega Man X shouldn't have to worry about a bad pic. By the time X was out, they stopped all that middle aged man stuff
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thirteeneon | Posted 4/14/2009 7:52:35 PM | message detail
"favour" come the F on

Albion gets in your topic and it's like special ed now
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/14/2009 7:52:55 PM | message detail
ZELDA
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/14/2009 7:56:29 PM | message detail
The X > MM favorite series poll is a good piece of evidence and enough to make me think MMX is the strongest game in either series (I've been arguing that since we began to talk about which MM game we should get into the next games contest). Unfortunately, I don't think it's by a very wide margin, and it's not too hard for me to envision LA bettering both MM2 and MM3's performances (although, like you said, 3's isn't bad).
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Calintares | Posted 4/14/2009 7:57:20 PM | message detail
Would Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII be strong?

would you take it over Link's Awakening? How about FFIX?

How strong is it compared to other handhelds?
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trannyscience | Posted 4/14/2009 7:57:51 PM | message detail
sorry, but I don't care enough about winning arguments to twist your words! but I did go back and read what you said and I must have misread you - sorry about that. I think I just remember you talking down to people who picked MMX and that stuck in my head from before.

this discussion doesn't need to be hostile. it's Mega Man and Zelda and we're acting like Albion and Black Turtle. let's all take showers and pretend this never happened.
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Lopen | Posted 4/14/2009 8:00:20 PM | message detail
I'm not really sold on Link's Awakening. I think it gets crushed harder than MM3 today at least. Don't really think MMX necessarily has to be stronger than MM2/3 to win that. Think the Zelda name can only take you so far especially when other big franchises are in the poll.

Oh, also, I think Mega Man games will look better in comparison when tougher games are around. Mega Man's never been a huge blowout guy aside from 2002.

(poll link I posted was a joke by the way)
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 4/14/2009 8:13:57 PM | message detail
Link's Awakening was on top of the NP power charts until Pokemon came out. Lots of people are underestimating how popular the game was at the time.
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 4/14/2009 8:22:51 PM | message detail
Ownership stats from GameFAQs and predicted percentages:
Gunstar Heroes - 83 - 5.26%
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 - 368 - 23.32%
Super Mario Kart - 538 - 34.09%
Super Metroid - 589 - 37.33%

Number of raters from GameFAQs and predicted percentages:
Gunstar Heroes - 75 - 6.54%
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 - 284 - 24.78%
Super Mario Kart - 338 - 29.49%
Super Metroid - 449 - 39.18%

I think this is the sort of match where those numbers should hold up pretty well.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/14/2009 8:35:12 PM | message detail
Probably not, wait until we reach division 6.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 8:48:36 PM | message detail
Who do we expect with the board vote? Sonic?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/14/2009 8:48:55 PM | message detail
sorry, but I don't care enough about winning arguments to twist your words! but I did go back and read what you said and I must have misread you - sorry about that. I think I just remember you talking down to people who picked MMX and that stuck in my head from before.

this discussion doesn't need to be hostile. it's Mega Man and Zelda and we're acting like Albion and Black Turtle. let's all take showers and pretend this never happened.


I wasn't trying to downtalk anyone. I skipped the bracket making period and was legitimately shocked when I found out that MMX was the favorite. I was really interested to find out people's reasoning, but it just didn't strike me as compelling enough for such a pick, so I just pointed out why (never really losing my sense of shock that MMX was favored). Guess we'll just see what happens.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/14/2009 8:49:18 PM | message detail
Metroid with the Board vote. It will probably lead overnight with Sonic taking it back during the day.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/14/2009 8:50:08 PM | message detail
Or Sonic will lead the entirre match with Metroid peaking overnight.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 8:50:31 PM | message detail
MMX > LA was a pic I didn't even think much about. Because I thought "oh an old Zelda game I barely have ever heard about? MMX has this"
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