GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 676
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/14/2009 3:51:47 PM | message detail |
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t minus 5 hours until the big Sonic 3 > Super Metroid upset! Hopefully. ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| Meeks54 | Posted 4/14/2009 3:52:44 PM | message detail |
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How exactly is that an upset? Super Metroid has to deal with Super Mario Kart, of course that is going to be a problem for it. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/14/2009 3:56:01 PM | message detail |
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From: Meeks54 | Posted: 4/14/2009 6:52:44 PM | #002 "A problem" yes, but I think Super Metroid is the guru favorite. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 6:33:07 PM | message detail |
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SM>SMK come oooon I still have a tiny grain of infinitesimal faith! --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/14/2009 6:34:41 PM | message detail |
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Sonic 3 > Super Metroid UPSET! Revenge for 2002! --- [ FINAL FOUR ] FFVII / SMB3 / LoZ: OoT / MGS http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=161 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/14/2009 6:43:26 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 4/14/2009 9:42:10 PM | #498 Same, but #2 works a lot in these things. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/14/2009 6:44:02 PM | message detail |
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ZELDA --- I'm gonna keep on going, I know I'll be strong. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 6:44:02 PM | message detail |
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#2 does work sometimes, but it makes for a pretty bad argument. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| Tohoya | Posted 4/14/2009 6:44:31 PM | message detail |
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I've got Sonic 3 > SMK awww yeah let's do this |
| Chinballz | Posted 4/14/2009 6:45:28 PM | message detail |
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Damn it, tranny. You got the 500th post on a double post. --- Is this Osbourne Cox? |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/14/2009 6:48:04 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=776 ZELDA http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2253 ZELDA this is where you tell me that Link's Awakening is some kind of handheld god, something I've never even come close to hearing, or you bring up its sales as if they matter. (all notable handheld games have big sales -- this is like arguing that NSMB would beat MMX because it sold a trillion copies.) Link's Awakening is a full tier below the Wind Waker / Majora's Mask bunching. let's stop pretending otherwise. and I've got Zelda in my bracket! --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| BrettEagles | Posted 4/14/2009 6:49:00 PM | message detail |
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SMK > Sonic 3 Woo. --- http://www.backloggery.com/bretteagles http://backloggery.com/bretteagles/sig.gif |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/14/2009 6:49:15 PM | message detail |
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oh hey I forgot one http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993 ZELDA --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/14/2009 6:49:20 PM | message detail |
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ZELDA is really all that needs to be yelled though. Nothing MM is going
to have any serious sort of strength, and anything with the Zelda name
is going to be enough to beat the lower realm games. You can say
there's data against it, but there really isn't. It's like saying there
was a lot against Sonic just when there in reality, wasn't. Polls can
say whatever you want to make them say, and obviously LA is going to
look pitiful in the situation it was in. The reason it has strength is
because the Zelda series is so loved, it's going to lose almost 100% of
that when it's going up against those very games. Believe me, I'm not sold on it either strength wise, probably far and away the weakest Zelda, but that should still be enough for a random mega man title. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 6:50:50 PM | message detail |
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ZELDA --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| redrocket | Posted 4/14/2009 6:51:35 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, I wouldn't take any other handheld over LA that's
not named Pokemon or Crisis Core, or that's a port of a console game. --- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 6:51:35 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and this comment takes the cake random mega man title. But hey. ZELDA --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| plasmabeam | Posted 4/14/2009 6:51:35 PM | message detail |
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#2 does work sometimes, but it makes for a pretty bad argument. Good point. "It's ****ing Zelda" won't cut it, especially if you recall that one time when Samus disproved the "It's ****ing Mario" argument. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 6:52:44 PM | message detail |
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Good point. "It's ****ing Zelda" won't cut it, especially if you
recall that one time when Samus disproved the "It's ****ing Mario"
argument. Hey, I'll use an analogy from a completely different scenario and situation to try and bolster my nonexistent argument! As long as people don't think for more than 2 seconds, this should go over great! --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/14/2009 6:54:16 PM | message detail |
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Wait, when did Samus disprove the IT'S ****ING MARIO argument. --- I'm gonna keep on going, I know I'll be strong. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/14/2009 6:54:32 PM | message detail |
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this match is like Wind Waker / Metroid Prime-lite - the top game from
a second-tier series vs. a mid-tier game from the top series, only this
is an even lower-tier Zelda game vs. a game that would lose to Metroid
Prime. Prime/Wind Waker was hardly a blowout and that was the series that was supposed to completely fold to ZELDA --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 6:54:58 PM | message detail |
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From: PhD_inTHC | #014 Random Mega Man title? --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: FFIV > MM3 - Points: 20/28 Vote: MM3 |
| plasmabeam | Posted 4/14/2009 6:56:15 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I'll use an analogy from a completely different scenario and
situation to try and bolster my nonexistent argument! As long as people
don't think for more than 2 seconds, this should go over great! It's the same case... People overthinking. Believing in Samus > Mario is no different from believing in Console Mega Man game > Handheld Zelda game. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/14/2009 6:56:44 PM | message detail |
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yes, random mega man title, as in I don't believe MMX should have any
more strength than MM2, MM3 or any other numbered mega man you want to
throw out. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 6:57:00 PM | message detail |
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Believing in Samus > Mario is no different from believing in Console Mega Man game > Handheld Zelda game. What. The. SjnfdojugqwdoinwgeaGEW. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 6:57:19 PM | message detail |
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They are hardly compared. The idea of "It's freaking Mario" was that a Samus fan voting over Mario was hard to believe. If anything, we should be the ones saying "It's freaking Mega Man X." --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: FFIV > MM3 - Points: 20/28 Vote: MM3 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/14/2009 6:57:19 PM | message detail |
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So it seems to me there are two camps here: 1. The people who think this is a debatable match that could go either way, using logic and poll results to back up their case. 2. The people yelling ZELDA Sorry, but I'm more inclined to side with the former. Which poll results? The Zelda favorites poll that should be thrown out the window (or at least seen as highly suspect) after watching these FF games that perform just as poorly kick butt? And which logic? The one that says a 5+ million selling Zelda game (that's more tham Majora's Mask and right up there with Wind Waker and LttP) shouldn't be seen as the favorite? It's a Zelda game. It has favorites and fans. It has huge sales. It's been ignored in these polls because it has to compete with the likes of OoT and LttP. I'm not just yelling ZELDA. I'm using evidence here and arguing why the few pieces of contrary evidence pointed out to me are suspect. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 6:57:31 PM | message detail |
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yes, random mega man title, as in I don't believe MMX should have
any more strength than MM2, MM3 or any other numbered mega man you want
to throw out. See above post. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/14/2009 6:57:52 PM | message detail |
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From: plasmabeam | Posted: 4/14/2009 9:56:15 PM | #023 Ridiculous comparison. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/14/2009 6:57:56 PM | message detail |
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well there was plenty of data supporting Samus > Mario indirectly, so there is kind of a difference. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| deadeyedllv | Posted 4/14/2009 6:58:24 PM | message detail |
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"A problem" yes, but I think Super Metroid is the guru favorite. Guru favorite doesn't mean squat so far this contest. --- You can't run away from trouble, there ain't no place that far. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 6:58:41 PM | message detail |
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yoblazer, for everything in your post, I refer you to tranny's posts. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/14/2009 6:59:10 PM | message detail |
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How much of LA's sales were from being a pack-in with the GB anyways? --- Shall I take you with me? To the place in this town where wishes come true... |
| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/14/2009 6:59:48 PM | message detail |
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See above post. Why is it so absurd to think MMX will be no stronger than any other MM game we've seen? Is there anything out there that indicates it being more loved? --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/14/2009 6:59:58 PM | message detail |
| Hey guys, you can stop this arguing because its painfully obvious that Phantasy Star IV is going to come in second. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 7:01:14 PM | message detail |
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Heh, one thing I found strange about Tactics Advance: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1629 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1485 They are only 3 months apart. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: FFIV > MM3 - Points: 20/28 Vote: MM3 |
| plasmabeam | Posted 4/14/2009 7:02:18 PM | message detail |
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They are hardly compared. The idea of "It's freaking Mario" was that a Samus fan voting over Mario was hard to believe. If anything, we should be the ones saying "It's freaking Mega Man X." But the idea of a Nintendo fan voting a Mega Man game over a Zelda game IS hard to believe. We've seen Link crush Mega Man, we've seen the Zelda series slaughter the MMX series, and in a few days we're gonna see Link's Awakening pave MMX. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:02:40 PM | message detail |
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Why is it so absurd to think MMX will be no stronger than any other
MM game we've seen? Is there anything out there that indicates it being
more loved? It's generally heralded as the best in the MMX series - if not the best MM game period., and being the first in the series always games a little extra name boost. Just look at FF and LoZ. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/14/2009 7:04:05 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2441 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2453 how much SFF are we calling for here? --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:04:13 PM | message detail |
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But the idea of a Nintendo fan voting a Mega Man game over a Zelda
game IS hard to believe. We've seen Link crush Mega Man, we've seen the
Zelda series slaughter the MMX series, and in a few days we're gonna
see Link's Awakening pave MMX. And we've also seen MMX beat Zelda. Which is what happens when you break up the entrants individually rather than relying on performances by the entire LoZ series, which happens to include OoT, LTTP, ect. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/14/2009 7:04:40 PM | message detail |
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But the idea of a Nintendo fan voting a Mega Man game over a Zelda game IS hard to believe. You would take Oracle of Ages over MMX? --- Shall I take you with me? To the place in this town where wishes come true... |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/14/2009 7:04:54 PM | message detail |
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MMX is the one highly respected Mega Man title of the bunch. I've been
driving the "MM is overrated to hell" train and even I know it will do
very well. This isn't Generic Mega Man Title 35, it's ****ing Mega Man
X. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/14/2009 7:05:48 PM | message detail |
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...uh what? It's definitely not widely regarded and accepted as the
best Mega Man, if that were true there wouldn't have been such a
massive split as to which MM game to get into the contest, and tons of
discussion over which would be the best to rally for. It seemed as
though this board was behind MM2 the most to me, which is why I chose
it for the nomination rally. Now I'm supposed to believe that MMX is
regarded as the something far above the others. As for looking at FF and LoZ for the first in the series... lol what? Being the first in the series certainly has not made them the strongest entrants among their series, so I really don't see what you're getting at here. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/14/2009 7:06:48 PM | message detail |
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MMX/Link's Awakening is all about Link's Awakening to me. On the one
hand, it's a ZELDA game. On the other hand, it's a HANDHELD game. I took MMX, but I think I'd rather have Zelda right now. Don't know what I was thinking there, as it's rather inconsistent with most of my other ideas/picks, even if it proves to be correct. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| redrocket | Posted 4/14/2009 7:06:56 PM | message detail |
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Since when is Mega Man 2 not highly respected and acclaimed though? I'm
not denying MMX's place in the series, but I failing to see anything
that sets it above Mega Man 2. --- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:07:22 PM | message detail |
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...uh what? It's definitely not widely regarded and accepted as the
best Mega Man, if that were true there wouldn't have been such a
massive split as to which MM game to get into the contest, and tons of
discussion over which would be the best to rally for. It seemed as
though this board was behind MM2 the most to me, which is why I chose
it for the nomination rally. Now I'm supposed to believe that MMX is
regarded as the something far above the others. ...Tons of discussion? The discussion started and ended at 'MM2, MMX, and maybe MM3'. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 7:09:12 PM | message detail |
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Since when is Mega Man 2 not highly respected and acclaimed though?
I'm not denying MMX's place in the series, but I failing to see
anything that sets it above Mega Man 2. MMX is more recent, sold more (I think), has had more re-releases, and is just plain better on a technical standpoint. There's also the poll where the MMX series was voted the the most popular of the MM series; let me find it. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| redrocket | Posted 4/14/2009 7:10:14 PM | message detail |
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...Tons of discussion? The discussion started and ended at 'MM2, MMX, and maybe MM3'. The point is that nowhere in that discussion(unless I missed something big) did anyone claim or prove that MMX was stronger than those other two. --- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch |
| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/14/2009 7:10:43 PM | message detail |
| Jesus wow... are you trying to be dense? Yes,
there was an incredible amount of discussion between those three games
as to what the strongest would be... so why would I now assume that MMX is any stronger than the other 2?.
I would not. So you responding with "ASFNSADAJNSFADMVCX" over me saying
I don't expect MMX to be any stronger than the other MM's is completely
ridiculous. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/14/2009 7:11:02 PM | message detail |
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...uh what? It's definitely not widely regarded and accepted as the
best Mega Man, if that were true there wouldn't have been such a
massive split as to which MM game to get into the contest, and tons of
discussion over which would be the best to rally for. It seemed as
though this board was behind MM2 the most to me, which is why I chose
it for the nomination rally. Now I'm supposed to believe that MMX is
regarded as the something far above the others. MM2 and MM3 took up a NES nomination slot in 2k4. MMX was fighting for SNES nomination slot. Huge difference. People didn't really bother as much with rallying for a MMX since it's competition for the nomination slot was much greater. --- Shall I take you with me? To the place in this town where wishes come true... |
