GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 675
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/14/2009 9:46:33 AM | message detail |
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MIGHT contend? lol. It will outright beat it. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: FFIV > MM3 - Points: 20/28 Vote: MM3 |
| medicority | Posted 4/14/2009 9:47:53 AM | message detail |
| next bracket megaman 3 has revenge on the final fantasys? |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/14/2009 9:48:23 AM | message detail |
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While SMK will be close it won't be in contention for placing. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: FFII (IV) > MM3 Points: 20/28 |
| edwardsdv | Posted 4/14/2009 9:52:33 AM | message detail |
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Wow, this place can get hostile. How about this megaman though. far be it from getting crushed its holding up relatively constant, if not better than MM2 did under weaker competition. Is my intuition that ~ 30-35% is a constant number for the mega series. Barring the existence of Mario SFF, i like mega to win next round, but since it probably exists what I really like is the possibility of MM2 > Tetris again. --- http://www.thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=212 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/14/2009 9:54:03 AM | message detail |
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After Sonic 1 nearly beating SF2 like SMRPG did five years ago and
Sonic 3 > Sonic 1, Sonic 3 will definitely advance over an LFF'd
SMK. An LFF'd SM is a different situation, but Sonic 3 could still take
first place there and will advance either way. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/14/2009 9:56:49 AM | message detail |
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I'm not even gonna try to use numbers to justify FFIV > FF1 or vice versa because I think a big portion of both
of their votes are "franchise votes", and it's impossible to discern
how much each of them benefits from those votes using contest data. I
just think that FF1 benefits a hell of a lot more. And about the favorites polls, FFIV always is lumped with FFVI, so I think at the very least it suffers a bit more from SFF in those polls than FF1 due to having an unquestionably more popular game that it has a lot more in common with. One-on-one is a completely different scenario as the majority of FFVI, FFVII, FFX, and the others' votes come into play. When I ask myself "Which game out of FF1 and FF4 would fans of those later FFs vote for?", I can't help but think that FF4 gets the majority of that. Especially after the DS game put it under a new spotlight. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/14/2009 9:59:14 AM | message detail |
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Also, now that this division is practically over: FACT or FICTION: SF2 will do better against Sonic 1 next round. FACT or FICTION: Prince of Persia will look like the weakest entrant of the bracket at the end of the contest. FACT or FICTION: FF1 > FF2/4. FACT or FICTION: The winner of MM2/Tetris relies on MM2's pic. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| edwardsdv | Posted 4/14/2009 10:05:09 AM | message detail |
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FACT SF2 will do better against Sonic 1 next round- with SMB3 around it doesn't stand a chance FICTION: Prince of Persia will look like the weakest entrant of the bracket at the end of the contest.- it is my belief that this honor will go to Lufia II FICTION: FF1 > FF2/4.- FF4 has real legs, FF1 does not. FF1 is pure franchise vote and maybe a tiny bit of 8-bit theatre if it gets the sprites again, which I doubt. FF4 features easily the most famous line of the series. FACTION: The winner of MM2/Tetris relies on MM2's pic.- So long as it doesn'tget the SAME pic, it'll be fine. I have hard time envisioning a worse Pic. i also believe Tetris has some SFF to contend with( in the form of Pac-Man and to a significantly lesser extent DK) and Mega does not. So pic may not even turn out to be a factor if Pac- man performs well enough to induce a not-too-lopsided Tetris victory in its split. --- http://www.thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=212 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 10:18:16 AM | message detail |
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Poor Lufia 2, but its in position to look REALLY bad. Not only is it
weak in general, but two stronger SNES rpgs there to sap away the only
support it has... --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/378/86b7a0dada9b6d09cd92aaaa2fed5c0f425774f6.gif |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/14/2009 10:23:48 AM | message detail |
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FACT: SF2 will do better against Sonic 1 next round. With the fighting game fanbase being more concentrated than most, plus Sonic having to deal with a Mario game, I think this is undeniable fact. Hell, a stronger game in general being added to the poll ought to have SF2 doing better. "Better" is really being vague, as I certainly don't think SF2 will do worse. The question should be will SF2 beat Sonic 1 next round. FACT: Prince of Persia will look like the weakest entrant of the bracket at the end of the contest. That was just pathetic. FICTION: FF1 > FF2/4. See topic full of debate FICTION: The winner of MM2/Tetris relies on MM2's pic. I don't think it will come down to that. First, I don't think there's any pic that could make MM2 look as bad as it did last round. Second, as competition grows stronger, I don't think the picture will matter nearly as much, at least in a 4-way setting. With (somewhat) stronger options, I think that voters who would let the picture sway their vote for MM2 won't automatically default to Tetris, unless Tetris simply takes all of those votes from Pac-Man. But really, when it comes down to it, I think MM2 will beat Tetris easily, or it won't. I don't think the match will fall into the range where I think the picture makes a difference, given that I don't think we'll be stuck with box art next round. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/14/2009 10:25:43 AM | message detail |
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If FF1 and FF4 are already close, what proof is there of who wins
the split? All we have are a bunch of multi-FF polls where both games
perform like crap. Name people under 30 years of age who prefer FFI to FFIV. And this topic reminds me of why I dislike 4-ways: 1. Too much discussion about which way and how the LFF will fall. I don't think anyone really knows how it's going to go, so I wish people would stop being so adamant that Mario World is going to crush MM3 with SFF because we don't know. Yes, it may be reasonable to assume it will because of SMW/Sonic 2, but it's not a given. 2. Too much Albion posting. Also, nobody mentioned this yesterday, I think, but do people realize how absolutely worthless those VC polls are? I'm looking at YOU, Earthbound > YI pickers! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/14/2009 10:29:42 AM | message detail |
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Hey, FF impressed against SMW -- it's not the poll's fault that 4chan failed at rallying! --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 10:34:32 AM | message detail |
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Even if PoP finishes lower % then Crystalis, at least Crystalis is gonna end up with less votes! --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/378/86b7a0dada9b6d09cd92aaaa2fed5c0f425774f6.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/14/2009 10:35:40 AM | message detail |
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Hey, FF impressed against SMW -- it's not the poll's fault that 4chan failed at rallying! There's no way 4chan could've rallied enough votes anyway considering FFI nearly tripled it! Almost makes me want to rethink the GE > MM > SSB result the N64 one gave us! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/14/2009 10:41:26 AM | message detail |
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Almost makes me want to rethink the GE > MM > SSB result the N64 one gave us! The List corroborates that, it can't be wrong! Come to think of it, The List also agrees with CT > EarthBound > Yoshi's Island, but not Battletoads > Final Fantasy. Infallible! --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/14/2009 10:49:29 AM | message detail |
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darn it harr--wait, it's rpguy! Seriously though, I've wondered recently if we've given GE too much credit on account of The List. Nobody thought anything of the game until then (it was widely considered the second weakest game in the Games Contest Sweet Sixteen only in front of Tetris). And really, how impressive is 60% on SOTN? Plus, PDS had every reason to be the weakest game in the entire contest, and GE barely quadrupled it while Mario 64 scored nearly 85% on NiGHTS, which has no reason to be weaker than PDS. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 10:49:48 AM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: SF2 will do better against Sonic 1 next round. FACT. FACT or FICTION: Prince of Persia will look like the weakest entrant of the bracket at the end of the contest. FACT. Lufia II may look worse due to SFF, but PoP still takes the cake for indirectly being the worst entrant ever. FACT or FICTION: FF1 > FF2/4. FICTION. Reverse it and you get Fact. FACT or FICTION: The winner of MM2/Tetris relies on MM2's pic. Sort of FACT. MM2 will compete with a good pic, but give it another stinker and Tetris probably takes it easy. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/14/2009 10:51:16 AM | message detail |
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I'm not sure why more people aren't considering Crystalis for the
weakest game! After all, it's only half a percent ahead of PoP against
much weaker competition. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 10:52:08 AM | message detail |
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From: LeonhartFour | #368 Its likely being SFF'd to oblivion by FF4. Not that it would do that good without FF4 there, but I seriously doubt it would be this low without FF4 there. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/378/86b7a0dada9b6d09cd92aaaa2fed5c0f425774f6.gif |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/14/2009 10:53:25 AM | message detail |
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And really, how impressive is 60% on SOTN? A lot more impressive in 2004 than it would be today. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/14/2009 10:55:47 AM | message detail |
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Well, the same can be said of MGS. There's even less reason for MGS to
be SFF'd by FFVII than 007 by Ocarina, and how impressive is barely
beating FFT anyway? And then it goes and shows up #8 on The List (to
GoldenEye's appropriate #7). I guess we'll find out before too long, MGS has some pretty tough competition in FFT, FFVIII, and StarCraft in that division (MM too, but it probably gets LFF'd out by RBY and SFF'd out by Ocarina). And the battle for third between SM64 and 007 should be pretty interesting in that FFVII/CT match, it's a shame they don't meet beforehand so that it actually means something. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/14/2009 10:59:22 AM | message detail |
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Seriously though, I've wondered recently if we've given GE too much
credit on account of The List. Nobody thought anything of the game
until then (it was widely considered the second weakest game in the
Games Contest Sweet Sixteen only in front of Tetris). And really, how
impressive is 60% on SOTN? Alternatively, it did clearly outdo SM64 against LoZ:OoT SFF-wise...and it not only made the Top Ten but beat SM64 post-SM64DS. It's not like SM64/GE aren't the common games to argue about after LoZ:OoT for the N64, too, not to mention they each had killer sales and their own place in history. I think GE > SM64 in their battle for third place in R3 (though who knows if it's one-on-one)...but even if that's wrong, GE being over-rated isn't my biggest concern given their bracket placements. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/14/2009 10:59:29 AM | message detail |
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Oh, and I still think GalagAUGH is going to extrapolate out to the
weakest entrant. ~5% on Mario 1 plus Mario 1 getting destroyed in a
hypothetical Mario 1/Zelda 1/Mario 3/Mario World (even if FF/FFIV is
there instead of Mario World Mario 1 is going to get slaughtered) plus
heavy Nintendo SFF between LttP/Mario 3 and Ocarina in the final means
it has the worst path imaginable. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| White_Turtle | Posted 4/14/2009 11:07:38 AM | message detail |
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edwardsdv Posted 4/14/2009 12:52:33 PM message detail Wow, this place can get hostile. How about this megaman though. far be it from getting crushed its holding up relatively constant, if not better than MM2 did under weaker competition. Is my intuition that ~ 30-35% is a constant number for the mega series. Barring the existence of Mario SFF, i like mega to win next round, but since it probably exists what I really like is the possibility of MM2 > Tetris again. Any "constant" fanbase theory can immediately be thrown out the window as speculative garbage. Either there was something fishy in that MM2 match, be it a stronger than expected Pac-Man or pic factor, or Mega Man 3 is benefitting from "not Final Fantasy" votes due to the complete garbage the other 2 contestants are and it is going to get destroyed next round. |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 4/14/2009 11:11:00 AM | message detail |
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Or maybe Mega Man 3 is just legitimately stronger! --- Kleenex...at work! |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/14/2009 11:15:55 AM | message detail |
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Seriously though, I've wondered recently if we've given GE too much
credit on account of The List. Nobody thought anything of the game
until then (it was widely considered the second weakest game in the
Games Contest Sweet Sixteen only in front of Tetris). And really, how
impressive is 60% on SOTN? You have to remember that at the time an all Zelda final four bandwagon was at its peak, SMB3, CT, FFVI and FFVII (also OoT and LttP) were thought to be the strongest games in the bracket, SMW was expected to contend with CT, FFX and SSBM were expected to have an epic battle, Starcraft just came out of two upsets (though KH was expected to lose by then) and Final Fantasy just destroyed Pitfall and Contra. Tetris had an easy path and MGS just came off from a nail biter with FFT, though GE's performance against SotN was impressive (considering it was the most debated 3-pack of the contest). You also have to realise that the games that made it to the contest only Super Mario 64 and Super Metroid were considered snubbed from round 3. So being the worst out of the best isn't too bad. However the list has been wrong ever since it was revealed that Halo was ranked 9th. It's just that like Halo GE has a large hardcore fanbase. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: FFII (IV) > MM3 Points: 20/28 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/14/2009 11:16:13 AM | message detail |
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As an exercise in futility, here's a possible extrapolation for Galaga: Ignoring the other two games, it got 8.1% on Mario 1. Suppose Mario 1 gets 20% on Mario 3 (ie, in their poll, if Mario 3 gets 40% Mario 1 gets 10%). Then Galaga gets 3.3% on Mario 3. Suppose Mario 3 gets 47% on LttP in the quarterfinals (Mario 3 losing is the worst case for Galaga). Then Galaga gets 3.06% on LttP. Suppose that in the finals Ocarina doubles LttP (this could clearly be much worse; see Cloud/Sephy) and Ocarina gets 47% on FFVII. Then Galaga gets 1.9% on FFVII. Tanner would be expected to get 3.16% on Link. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 11:16:56 AM | message detail |
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lol galaga --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/378/86b7a0dada9b6d09cd92aaaa2fed5c0f425774f6.gif |
| White_Turtle | Posted 4/14/2009 11:17:31 AM | message detail |
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FACT or FICTION: SF2 will do better against Sonic 1 next round. FICTION. If SFF works in the way that Street Fighter improves on Sonic due to same-era SFF, then that same logic applies to Street Fighter being hurt as well. SFF in this part of the bracket is so loose and unquantifiable that it's silly to claim it except in the most obvious cases (FF1/FF4 for example). The further back you go, the more SFF lines get blurred. See for example the various Pac-Man character battle matches, or Mega Man/Yoshi. FACT or FICTION: Prince of Persia will look like the weakest entrant of the bracket at the end of the contest. FICTION. As someone else said, Galaga will probably get that honour due to copious Nintendo SFF in this half of the bracket. FACT or FICTION: FF1 > FF2/4. FICTION. FF4 has more actual fans than the original and the original gets by mainly on franchise voting and "OMG HISTORIC GAME" votes, both of which are somewhat nullified by FF4. FACT or FICTION: The winner of MM2/Tetris relies on MM2's pic. FICTION. I still can't see Tetris winning there, though with another creepy old man in spandex picture the match would probably be uncomfortably close. Pac-Man being there doesn't help Tetris in the least. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/14/2009 11:21:10 AM | message detail |
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Suppose Mario 3 gets 47% on LttP in the semifinals (Mario 3 losing is the worst case for Galaga). --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/14/2009 11:26:42 AM | message detail |
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semi-finals = round 5. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: FFII (IV) > MM3 Points: 20/28 |
| transience | Posted 4/14/2009 11:36:33 AM | message detail |
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this is one hell of a four-way stall. wonder if we have a real ASV or not here. --- xyzzy http://img.imgcake.com//chewing.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/14/2009 11:41:00 AM | message detail |
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MM3 may gain while the others drop, but don't expect much. I'm still waiting for Crystalis to drop below 4% --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: FFII (IV) > MM3 Points: 20/28 |
| White_Turtle | Posted 4/14/2009 11:42:04 AM | message detail |
| MM3/FF4 should stay the same between the two of them, but both will shoot up in relation to the turbofodder down there. |
| plasmabeam | Posted 4/14/2009 11:49:02 AM | message detail |
| Gotta say that I'm glad I didn't bite on taking
SMB3 > SMW in the division finals. Mario 3 will take too much away
for SMW, and I expect FF4 to cruise out of the division with 2nd place. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/14/2009 11:54:57 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=49072085 He speaks! --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/14/2009 12:00:32 PM | message detail |
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A 2500 vote rally is pretty good. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: FFII (IV) > MM3 Points: 20/28 |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/14/2009 12:01:06 PM | message detail |
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wow is still going to win this contest why didn't I stay on board the crazy train --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/14/2009 12:03:57 PM | message detail |
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That 3:00 fifteen minute update for MM3 was its best of the day; I guess Blue and Cyan takes the ASV. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/14/2009 12:04:45 PM | message detail |
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2500 is really good considering it was hopeless from the start. If the
match was close, they would have more supporters and they would be
doing it all day long. --- Shall I take you with me? To the place in this town where wishes come true... |
| White_Turtle | Posted 4/14/2009 12:04:58 PM | message detail |
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Wow, he gives us a detailed breakdown on a non-critical match where a
distant third place had a known rally that resulted in a small amount
of votes but didn't give us a word on one of MGS' many cheatfests or
CT's hail mary comebacks. lol sbfailen |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/14/2009 12:08:48 PM | message detail |
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Anything is better than nothing. At least with this we can hope he looks at the matches that do matter. --- Shall I take you with me? To the place in this town where wishes come true... |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/14/2009 12:08:54 PM | message detail |
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If something fishy did happen wouldn't you think he'd say something? Though I think he's doing this now because he knew how upset we've been with his silence. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: FFII (IV) > MM3 Points: 20/28 |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/14/2009 12:09:56 PM | message detail |
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As long as he's going to check out weird matches in the future that
actually matter I'm all for it. But if it's a one time thing, it's
beyond ridiculous. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| transience | Posted 4/14/2009 12:13:04 PM | message detail |
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he probably just knows Battletoads's meme status and looked into it
himself with the use of his favourite new toy. only this board could
spin getting numbers into somehow being a bad thing. --- xyzzy http://www.mistwalkercorp.com/en/_src/sc569/HNI_0022.jpg |
| Tohoya | Posted 4/14/2009 12:17:02 PM | message detail |
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Any "constant" fanbase theory can immediately be thrown out the window as speculative garbage. Monkey Island, Amaterasu. I don't think MM has the constant fanbase, but we've seen niche entries benefit too much from the format and one competitor heads and shoulders above the rest to discount it entirely. |
| The Hardcore Kid | Posted 4/14/2009 12:32:22 PM | message detail |
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Will there ever be a result that doesn't have people whine... at least on such a high scale? --- Turns out they won't let you have any fun here either! But that's okay. |
| White_Turtle | Posted 4/14/2009 12:38:55 PM | message detail |
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he probably just knows Battletoads's meme status and looked into it
himself with the use of his favourite new toy. only this board could
spin getting numbers into somehow being a bad thing. Which brings me to my next question. Why is Battletoads considered a "meme" and why is 4chan voting for it? Mudkip I can understand because of that stupid fad, but why Battletoads in a contest setting where it has no chance to advance? |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/14/2009 12:39:37 PM | message detail |
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Seriously if Battletoads can get 2500, whats stopping something like WoW getting 10k? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/378/86b7a0dada9b6d09cd92aaaa2fed5c0f425774f6.gif |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/14/2009 12:42:00 PM | message detail |
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Monkey Island, Amaterasu So when does 22.75% = 20.83% = 11.93% = 26.56% = 16.32%? Also had the opponents been PoP, RCR and Crystalis Monkey Island would get much higher than 10%. The only thing close to constant was L-Block and even then that only worked for 2007. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: FFII (IV) > MM3 Points: 20/28 |
