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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 674

MnMZero | Posted 4/13/2009 2:20:55 PM | message detail
But... the picture is hardly noticable. You think voters are looking closely and going, "Wait, is that the horrible RE box art? No way am I voting for RE if it has that pic!"

*votes MGS*
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/13/2009 2:21:35 PM | message detail
Barry + Jill would have likely doubled (TRIPLED) RE's strength, but it was still up against black text on a white background. MGS's box art wins the pic battle against nothing.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/13/2009 2:21:42 PM | message detail
Pics matter.

That pic didn't and if you think it did you're reaching.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 2:22:04 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #350
That's the first I heard about its box-art being joke-bad; I understood the only joke about RE was the dialogue.


The picture of Chris from that box art zoomed in has been a joke picture nominee for Resident Evil in the match pic topic.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/13/2009 2:22:16 PM | message detail
"I like the way the MGS logo contrasts against the white background of the box cover"

*votes MGS*
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 2:25:39 PM | message detail
http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/residentevilbevel.png

are you seriously saying that you wouldn't consider a box art like this a joke?
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trannyscience | Posted 4/13/2009 2:26:38 PM | message detail
time for some Box Art Factor
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MnMZero | Posted 4/13/2009 2:28:19 PM | message detail
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/board8/images/b/b2/Spr04b20.jpg

Because you can really tell exactly what Chris's facial expression is in this pic.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/13/2009 2:28:42 PM | message detail
Time for THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a41TAy7RfVI

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 2:30:12 PM | message detail
The fact is its still a horrible box art. Give it the REmake box art and I doubt it gets as clobbered.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/13/2009 2:31:08 PM | message detail
come on this can't be serious
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/13/2009 2:31:12 PM | message detail
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/board8/images/b/b2/Spr04b20.jpg
http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/residentevilbevel.png

You can't see his face clearly at all in the match against MGS, and it takes more than a funny face to be joke-bad anyway. MM2 didn't get joke-votes, and did you see Mega Man?
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MnMZero | Posted 4/13/2009 2:33:32 PM | message detail
The fact is its still a horrible box art. Give it the REmake box art and I doubt it gets as clobbered.

In the same way that a picture of a black Speck of Dust would outform a picture of a grey Speck of Dust, m i rite?!
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MnMZero | Posted 4/13/2009 2:33:43 PM | message detail
*outperform
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MnMZero | Posted 4/13/2009 2:35:16 PM | message detail
come on this can't be serious

Aww, can't I have a little bit of fun before I leave work?
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/13/2009 2:37:18 PM | message detail
jeez guys I remade the RE pic a while ago

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9708/residentevil12bevel.png

and the MGS pic too

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9523/mgsbevel.png
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Tohoya | Posted 4/13/2009 3:02:33 PM | message detail
There's not enough data to make the judgment that picture plays a large factor in games contests

You need evidence to support the claim that pic factor doesn't matter in games contests. I think the default assumption should be that games contests and character contests are similar enough to each other that something like this carries over. Or do I need to pull out polls to convince you that SFF and LFF exist in games contests?

I could be misremembering, but I don't remember any terribly bad or awesome pics in games contests to test the hypothesis (no, I don't think RE counts). Well, aside from MM2. So we'll see- though I don't think that MM3 will be sufficient proof of it tomorrow if it does do poorly, since I think that MM3 will be considerably weaker than MM2. We should see pretty close to definitive proof with MM2 in round 2, though.
ZFS | Posted 4/13/2009 3:06:13 PM | message detail
Are people really that impressed by FF today? What were everyone's expectations for this match? FF was never going to be thrown into the high-20s, early 30s while SMW was hanging out in the mid-40s. That's either underestimating FF or overestimating Mario based on the past couple of matches. FF is doing well here, reinforcing what it did in 2004, but I don't know why anyone would think that was a fluke to begin with.

Unless you think FF1 has this big fanbase that just loves it to death, and isn't fueled mostly by franchise votes, I don't see much reason to believe that FFIV would do the same thing today, if not a bit better.

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red sox 777 | Posted 4/13/2009 3:09:12 PM | message detail
Well, when I was hyping Zelda 1 > SMW/SM64 before the contest, I heard a lot of people say they did not expect Zelda 1 to be able to break 40% on Mario 3 again, much less 43%. And presumably they did not think FF1 had fared any better (more like a good deal worse) over the years.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 3:12:05 PM | message detail
If MM3 were to do better then MM2 with a classic mega man pic, would ya'll admit that pic factor does play a roll in game contests?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/13/2009 3:12:41 PM | message detail

From: transience | Posted: 4/13/2009 2:36:44 PM | #301
people overreact to FF1 doing well every time, as if it didn't do this exact same thing in 2004. I don't see how this is all that unexpected.

in 10 hours you're all going to be like "there's no way FF1 wins" because you'll see FF4 do the same thing.


I hope you're right for my brackets' sake, but I just have this gut feeling FF1 will SFF 4.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/13/2009 3:14:19 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX
I hope you're right for my brackets' sake, but I just have this gut feeling FF1 will SFF 4.


Well, MY bracket says MM3 laughs at them both and squeezes out the win.
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Tohoya | Posted 4/13/2009 3:14:37 PM | message detail
Unless you think FF1 has this big fanbase that just loves it to death, and isn't fueled mostly by franchise votes, I don't see much reason to believe that FFIV would do the same thing today, if not a bit better.

As odd as it sounds, I think that different games can benefit more or less from franchise voting. FF1 is the platonic form of FF that doesn't really have anything objectionable about it, and can get votes based on the franchise itself, especially if it gets those iconic sprite pictures that symbolize the entire series. Other games in the series, inasmuch as they evoke specific FF memories, may not be as strong.

In other words, I don't think FF1 is the series' floor. I'm not saying, nor do I expect, FFIV to do worse than FF1, but I do think that installments that are specifically hated, like FF2 and FF12, could do worse.
trannyscience | Posted 4/13/2009 3:16:23 PM | message detail
I agree with that - it's fully possible that FF1 beats FF4. it's not like FF4 is actually super loved.

but I'd roll the dice with the majority of the fanbase siding with it over FF1. my only gripe is when people look at this and say WOW FF4 IS SO SCREWED when FF4 would be doing the same exact thing.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/13/2009 3:18:36 PM | message detail

From: Tohoya | #367
You need evidence to support the claim that pic factor doesn't matter in games contests. I think the default assumption should be that games contests and character contests are similar enough to each other that something like this carries over. Or do I need to pull out polls to convince you that SFF and LFF exist in games contests?


People judging character coolness or likability on its design is a common-place and reasonable assumption.

There's a huge difference between the reasonable proposition that the aesthetics of a character leading to that character gaining or losing fans and thus affecting votes, and the proposition that a picture of a box art over the picture of another box art can lead to someone to vote for a game over another.

Character looks cooler - I'll vote for this character
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Box Art looks cooler - I'll vote for this game

Just seem like 2 radically different scenarios to me. I'm not going to put them together without separate data. Games in general are more well-known than actual characters, and with 4 options to choose from, the "not knowing any of them" possiblity sharply dwindles as well, further reducing the affect pictures may have on this game contest
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ZFS | Posted 4/13/2009 3:19:34 PM | message detail
Well, after the past few matches we saw it should have been pretty clear that wasn't going to be the case. These games will still work that franchise vote like nothing else when put up against old games no one really cares for. I think the bigger thing for me in this match is what SMW's (failing) to do against FF.

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Tohoya | Posted 4/13/2009 3:26:30 PM | message detail
People judging character coolness or likability on its design is a common-place and reasonable assumption.

There's a huge difference between the reasonable proposition that the aesthetics of a character leading to that character gaining or losing fans and thus affecting votes, and the proposition that a picture of a box art over the picture of another box art can lead to someone to vote for a game over another.

Character looks cooler - I'll vote for this character
and
Box Art looks cooler - I'll vote for this game

Just seem like 2 radically different scenarios to me. I'm not going to put them together without separate data. Games in general are more well-known than actual characters, and with 4 options to choose from, the "not knowing any of them" possiblity sharply dwindles as well, further reducing the affect pictures may have on this game contest


And a picture evoking and reminding people of fond memories spent with the game, as opposed to a weird spaceman thing that makes the game look stupid, I think is more likely to make people vote for the game. I know damn well that seeing the black mage sprite made me vote FF over SMW today, and that the weird pic made me think twice about voting for MM2 despite the fact that MM2 is on my top 10 games of all time list. This is doubly so for the majority of voters who think for all of two seconds before deciding what to vote for.
KamikazePotato | Posted 4/13/2009 3:28:32 PM | message detail
As far as pics mattering...

Today's FF pic made me want to vote for it, despite me liking SMW more by leaps and bounds (then again, I did make the FF pic, so I'm hardly unbiased).

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ZFS | Posted 4/13/2009 3:42:19 PM | message detail
The pic can matter, but let's not overstate how much of a difference it makes. Nothing in the contest except for maybe MM2 has really suffered, or benefited, tremendously from a pic. FF has a nice one today, but SMW's isn't any worse.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 5:34:47 PM | message detail
We've finally got a match over 120k votes.... with 3 and a half hours left to go.

People love their FF and Mario.
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Big Bob | Posted 4/13/2009 5:38:46 PM | message detail
Isn't FFIV one of the more popular FFs? I see it on professional "Best Games Ever" lists a lot, even if FFVI is more respected than it. Not to mention the GBA and DS remakes have got to given the game more notoriety.

I wouldn't take it over VI, VII, or X, but I'd easily take it over any other FF game.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 5:39:53 PM | message detail
You would take FF4 over FF8?

What?
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E_Gadd | Posted 4/13/2009 5:41:05 PM | message detail
Battletoads back to 13% and SMW over 45% again I see. Looks like 4chan gave up.

Surprised to see PoP over 3%!
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ZFS | Posted 4/13/2009 5:53:02 PM | message detail
FFIV is probably ahead of FF1 and FFXII, but FFVIII and FFIX would be stronger than it. In FFVIII's case, it's probably well above all four of these, and only behind VII, X, and VI as far as strength goes.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/13/2009 5:55:57 PM | message detail
FFVII
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FFX
FFVI
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FFVIII
FFIX
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FFIV
FF1
FFXII
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FFV
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FFIII
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FFII

I'm mostly confident in this.

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LordOfDabu | Posted 4/13/2009 5:59:52 PM | message detail
I always thought FFVIII was hated. Or maybe that's just me that hates it. :P
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/13/2009 6:00:51 PM | message detail
FFVIII has some haters, but that doesn't matter nearly as much in 4-ways.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/13/2009 6:01:53 PM | message detail
In any case, the differences aren't that big (at least past FFVII). Remember that FF is projected to get 43.7% on FFX in 2004 (standard 2004 stats disclaimer), and there's a lot of other FF games in that gap.
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Xcarvenger | Posted 4/13/2009 6:16:12 PM | message detail
yessss 0.88% update
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 6:17:37 PM | message detail
Woo! Our first under 1% update ever!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/13/2009 6:17:56 PM | message detail
Truly a historic moment!

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/13/2009 6:19:29 PM | message detail
lol 4 votes at this time of day?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/13/2009 6:20:10 PM | message detail
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FFIV looking decent? My awesome MM3 pic got chosen? BARF?

Nice, Bacon!

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 6:21:52 PM | message detail
yeah, FF4 isnt getting 50%
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/13/2009 6:22:51 PM | message detail
...That's decent for FFIV? HM's pic was miles better. <_<

The rest look pretty good though.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/13/2009 6:22:52 PM | message detail
It's still getting 50%. There's no reason for it not to.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/13/2009 6:23:02 PM | message detail
If FFIV fails to break 50% I'll be more confident in MM2 > Tetris than FF > FFIV
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/13/2009 6:23:11 PM | message detail
Coffee Ninja did the RCR and Crystalis pics. No clue who did FFIV.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/13/2009 6:23:14 PM | message detail
Mega Man rides the short bus to school.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/13/2009 6:23:28 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #396
It's still getting 50%. There's no reason for it not to.


a crappy pic vs. an awesome pic for MM3?
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