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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 674

UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/12/2009 9:47:25 PM | message detail
Crystalis for surprise second place tomorrow.
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ZFS | Posted 4/12/2009 9:47:40 PM | message detail
I don't see much reason why FFIV wouldn't have broken 40% on SMB3 back then.

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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/12/2009 9:48:23 PM | message detail
I'm lovin it. Battletoads slowly getting to 20%!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/12/2009 9:48:35 PM | message detail
Or FF1 could make a run. Again, I cannot ever see FF4 breaking 40% on Mario 3.

Certainly possible. Either way, up against two Marios and Street Fighter II, give me whichever Final Fantasy makes it to that match to go even further.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/12/2009 9:48:47 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #052
I don't see much reason why FFIV wouldn't have broken 40% on SMB3 back then.


Not being relevant forever?
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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer | Posted 4/12/2009 9:49:21 PM | message detail
2 hours will pass before PoP reaches 1000 votes and that is hilarious.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/12/2009 9:49:54 PM | message detail
Is FF4 gonna break 60% tomorrow?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/12/2009 9:50:04 PM | message detail
If you ask me, the question of which way the SFF goes between FF1 and FFIV should be answered very simply:

Which games has had 3 re-releases in the past 5 years?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/12/2009 9:50:25 PM | message detail
The stuffing is strong in this one.

9800 votes at 12:45 when the last two matches have had about that by 1 AM
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creativename | Posted 4/12/2009 9:51:23 PM | message detail
I think a lot of people are grossly underestimating the amount of overlap SMB3/SMW will have. Sonic 1 might even be there, and that overlaps with the Marios more as well (though it'd be crushed there and not much of a factor).
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ZFS | Posted 4/12/2009 9:51:25 PM | message detail
If you want to talk about not being relevant, you don't need to look much further than FF1 -- a game that did break 40% on SMB3. Not all of it was name, but you better believe most of it was. FFIV has that and then some. Both of these games are bottom tier FF games in this contest, too. Final Fantasy games are just really damn strong.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/12/2009 9:51:27 PM | message detail
I wonder how badly Battletoads will drop by morning.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/12/2009 9:51:57 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #058
If you ask me, the question of which way the SFF goes between FF1 and FFIV should be answered very simply:

Which games has had 3 re-releases in the past 5 years?


Stretch it to six years and I'd answer, "Both of them."
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/12/2009 9:52:10 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #061
If you want to talk about not being relevant, you don't need to look much further than FF1 -- a game that did break 40% on SMB3. Not all of it was name, but you better believe most of it was. FFIV has that and then some. Both of these games are bottom tier FF games in this contest, too. Final Fantasy games are just really damn strong.


FF1 had recently been remade for GBA iirc at that point.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/12/2009 9:52:18 PM | message detail
It's the #2 and 3 series on this site going head-to-head with a third entrant getting joke rallied. Votals should definitely be higher than the boring-ass matches we've had so far.
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creativename | Posted 4/12/2009 9:53:03 PM | message detail
Its not just franchise voting FF9 and FF12 won't be near this. Its respect.

FF1 has respect - its pretty nostalgic, and the first in the series. FF4 should have respect as well.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/12/2009 9:53:23 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #065
It's the #2 and 3 series on this site going head-to-head with a third entrant getting joke rallied. Votals should definitely be higher than the boring-ass matches we've had so far.


I still a good amount of them are Battletoad stuffers.
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/12/2009 9:53:56 PM | message detail
You mean PoP stuffers.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/12/2009 9:54:11 PM | message detail
Its not just franchise voting FF9 and FF12 won't be near this

What now? FF1 is the weakest FF game in the contest, even counting for FF12's failings.

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ZFS | Posted 4/12/2009 9:54:11 PM | message detail
Its not just franchise voting FF9 and FF12 won't be near this. Its respect.

Can't say I agree with this. Maybe with FFXII, but I'd expect FFIX to crush FF1 and FFIV.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/12/2009 9:54:16 PM | message detail
FF4 will win because people actually seem to be voting for game quality over just brand name, as Castlevania 3's horrid performance shows (even though it was the best-quality game in that match, but semantics).
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creativename | Posted 4/12/2009 9:54:17 PM | message detail
It's the #2 and 3 series on this site going head-to-head with a third entrant getting joke rallied. Votals should definitely be higher than the boring-ass matches we've had so far.

The excess votes are pretty much all stuffing.

SMW/FF will add votes, but nothing that would be very noticeable this early.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/12/2009 9:54:38 PM | message detail
Awesome STP of truth!

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creativename | Posted 4/12/2009 9:55:21 PM | message detail
What now? FF1 is the weakest FF game in the contest, even counting for FF12's failings.

I wouldn't think this at all.
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/12/2009 9:55:47 PM | message detail
FF1 no longer doubling Battletoads!
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/12/2009 9:55:55 PM | message detail
SMW is holding out pretty well while FF is falling...


...like a rock
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creativename | Posted 4/12/2009 9:56:02 PM | message detail
but I'd expect FFIX to crush FF1 and FFIV.

What. Hell no.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/12/2009 9:56:34 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #070
Its not just franchise voting FF9 and FF12 won't be near this. Its respect.

Can't say I agree with this. Maybe with FFXII, but I'd expect FFIX to crush FF1 and FFIV.


FF9/FF4 would be pretty close. I'd probably lean FF9, but I'd be worried for the FF4 upset.

FF1 would beat 2 and 3 and probably 5. That's it if you don't count spinoffs, in which case it'd probably crush everything excluding Tactics.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/12/2009 9:56:37 PM | message detail
Well apparently HM does!

FFIX at the very least has every reason to stomp FF1. FFIV is a tougher cookie, but it should win that one too.

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ZFS | Posted 4/12/2009 9:57:46 PM | message detail
Why would you expect FF1 and FFIV to hold up against FFIX? They don't have the play rate or the legit fanbase to hold up against a loved 3D FF game. With FFXII, I could see them getting votes from people who just don't like it, but that's not going to apply with any of the other 3D games.

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creativename | Posted 4/12/2009 9:57:54 PM | message detail
I can somewhat see the logic on FF9>FF (newer generations have more strength than NES games), but crush? Not a chance.
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ZFS | Posted 4/12/2009 9:58:59 PM | message detail
I wasn't counting any FF games that didn't make the contest, mostly because we've got all the Final Fantasy games that would be worth having in here. FFII, FFIII, and FFV would definitely be weaker than any other games in the series.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/12/2009 9:59:14 PM | message detail
What real reason is there to doubt FFIX?

Please tell me it's not characters.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/12/2009 9:59:51 PM | message detail
FF9 easily beats FF4 and FF1.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/12/2009 10:01:02 PM | message detail
7 > 6 > 10 > 8 > 12 > 9 > 4 > 1 > 5 > 11 > 3 > 2

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/12/2009 10:01:22 PM | message detail
At this point in the match, vote totals are ahead by about 2500 compared to this exact point in the match yesterday. That's a good sign at least.
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ZFS | Posted 4/12/2009 10:01:27 PM | message detail
To clarify, I meant crush 1v1 -- I don't see much reason for FFIX not to, and I'd expect FFIX to be the second weakest 3D game behind FFXII. Indirectly, the strengths probably aren't too wide, but I'd still expect FFIX to be ahead of FF1 by a good bit. And then FFVIII to be an even bigger distance from all three.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/12/2009 10:01:44 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1178

I know lol old poll, but theres no reason to think FF9 doesn't beat them.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/12/2009 10:02:47 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 4/13/2009 12:59:14 AM | #083
What real reason is there to doubt FFIX?

Please tell me it's not characters.


No one played it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/12/2009 10:02:55 PM | message detail
FF9 I would expect to easily beat FF1 or FF4. Crush? No, but it wouldn't be too close either. Indirectly.....well, seeing as FF1 is worth 40% on SMW, FF9 doesn't have that much room to be a lot stronger before running into games I would definitely not take it over.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/12/2009 10:03:05 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #085
7 > 6 > 10 > 8 > 12 > 9 > 4 > 1 > 5 > 11 > 3 > 2


I'd probably switch 9 and 12, and 5 and 11, but other than that I agree with that list.
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ZFS | Posted 4/12/2009 10:03:13 PM | message detail
7 > 6 > 10 > 8 > 12 > 9 > 4 > 1 > 5 > 11 > 3 > 2

This looks about how I'd go, except I'd swap 12 and 9, and put 10 ahead of 6.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/12/2009 10:04:09 PM | message detail
I'm out for the night. Here's hoping PoP's below 2% when I wake up!
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/12/2009 10:04:20 PM | message detail
I'd probably switch 9 and 12, and 5 and 11, but other than that I agree with that list.

Well I did have a hard time placing them.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/12/2009 10:04:39 PM | message detail
What HM said.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/home/197338.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/home/197343.html

I despise using My Games, but it's the best we've got (why hasn't there been a Favorite FF Game Poll in the past 6 years?). If you expect FFVIII to have any sort of strength, FFIX shouldn't be that far behind.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/12/2009 10:05:57 PM | message detail
I'm out for the night. Here's hoping PoP's below 2% when I wake up!

Being below 2% would be something awesome to see. I still don't understand this, it's not like PoP is an unknown series.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/12/2009 10:06:49 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #089
No one played it.


It only sold about 600k less then FF8 in America.
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Childproof | Posted 4/12/2009 10:08:29 PM | message detail
*sees the result for the first time*


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red sox 777 | Posted 4/12/2009 10:08:32 PM | message detail
Just wait until Europe votes for PoP en masse ruining things yet again.
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