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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 672

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 11:10:54 AM | message detail

From: swirIdude | #048
Hell, if anything, SMRPG could have rSFFed CT. Remember neither game was out in Europe at the time, which game do you think Europe would support, the series they've never heard of, or the goddamn Mario?


europes main time it strength shows (late night) showed no real trends for mario doing better
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 11:11:09 AM | message detail
if mario bros 1 could get 70% against better competition when its no where near smb3s strength, its possible

For SMB3 to break 80% on SMB's competition it would need to almost triple SMB (without SFF).

Even if SMB3 doubles SMB would a SFFd Duck Hunt, Ninja Gaiden and a SFFd Galaga combine double SC/MI/Tecmo?
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/11/2009 11:11:13 AM | message detail
Yeah, FF1 broke 40% on Mario 3, and while Mario is a weaker series than FF, Mario 1 as a game was a LOT more popular than FF1. So SMB is probably worth over 40% on SMB3 indirectly, and against fodder in these polls, as far as the voters who do not recognize the other games go, Mario 1 and 3 may as well be the same thing.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/11/2009 11:13:22 AM | message detail
No, SMRPG did not rSFF CT with the Europe vote. rSFF is reverse same fanbase factor, and neither game has much of a fanbase in Europe, so SMRPG did not win this fanbase.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 11:16:21 AM | message detail
I personally think this says nothing about Mario RPG other than being comparable to a Sonic game.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 11:42:25 AM | message detail

From: Lopen | Posted: 4/11/2009 1:55:25 PM | #035
It's not about leeching, it's not about SFF.

I know. New ideas don't go over well in this topic because there's no clever acronym for it yet, no matter how sound the logic is. Just wait till round 2, that's all I'm saying.


You want to bet your account on it if you're so positive?
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MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 11:52:19 AM | message detail
How would that work? If SFII does win next round, it will just be chalked up to SMB3/Sonic SFF anyways. There's really no way to prove it unless there wasn't a Mario game looming next round.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 11:59:27 AM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Following Lopen's hypothesis, Sonic games will do considerably worse with stiffer competition in the poll.
FACT or FICTION: Tecmo Super Bowl will be the weakest game in the contest.
FACT or FICTION: SMB3 scores 75% or higher.
FACT or FICTION: SMB3 score 80%, or close to it

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 12:01:24 PM | message detail
I'm gonna say FACT to all of them.

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Yesmar | Posted 4/11/2009 12:09:49 PM | message detail
And I'm assuming Ulti means that CT didn't SFF SMRPG much, because I do not understand how the argument makes sense the other way.

Same here. How does the SMRPG being stronger than we thought, hurt its chances against RE2.

FACT or FICTION: Following Lopen's hypothesis, Sonic games will do considerably worse with stiffer competition in the poll.

FICTION: Pac-Man the character is the only entity this has ever seemingly applied too, and I see no reason why this should be the same for Sonic's games when it doesn't appear to apply to himself.

FACT or FICTION: Tecmo Super Bowl will be the weakest game in the contest.
FICTION: Monkey Island might do even worse, so I'm gonna guess not. Crystalis is probably a fair bit worse as well.

FACT or FICTION: SMB3 scores 75% or higher.
FACT or FICTION: SMB3 score 80%, or close to it

POSSIBLE to the first one. FICTION to the latter. Like Leonhart said, that would require 3 90% blowouts in one match.

Based on these votals, I'm not even sure that this is Sonic 1 doing well as much as SFII dropping. Sonic does have a trend of getting bizarrely low votals though (See Sonic vs. Zero/Sonic vs. Ryu)
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KingBartz | Posted 4/11/2009 12:13:04 PM | message detail
I'd say FICTION to all but the first

Crystalis will be the weakest. SMB3 falls just short of 75%
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/11/2009 12:46:52 PM | message detail
MAYBE: Following Lopen's hypothesis, Sonic games will do considerably worse with stiffer competition in the poll.

Well, I've semi-theorized that Sonic did better against characters who are not all that recognizable for years (had to find a way to explain how he beat Crono without admitting he was stronger!), but if it's true, there's no evidence that it's very significant. Sonic certainly isn't Pac-Man, and I rather doubt replacing Castlevania III with FFVII would change this poll result.

FICTION: Tecmo Super Bowl will be the weakest game in the contest.

There's so much fodder in this bracket that it's not easy to be the weakest.

FACT: SMB3 scores 75% or higher.
FICTION: SMB3 score 80%, or close to it

SMB3 is stronger than SMB, and its competition weaker, but not by enough that we can move from 70% to 80% here. There's a huge gap between 70% and 80% in 4-ways.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/11/2009 12:50:49 PM | message detail
We need to get to the Battletoads/FF/SMW/PoP match already. I gotta find out if Battletoads is the next biggest joke entry.
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swirIdude | Posted 4/11/2009 12:51:35 PM | message detail
4chan will make it such if they're alerted. Not that they'll stop FF from getting 2nd mind you.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 12:52:43 PM | message detail
FICTION: Following Lopen's hypothesis, Sonic games will do considerably worse with stiffer competition in the poll.

It will do worse with Mario 3 in the poll, but I wouldn't expect it to do worse if, say, SSBM were in the same poll with it.

FICTION: Tecmo Super Bowl will be the weakest game in the contest.

It's getting second place tomorrow, so it can't be the weakest!

FACT: SMB3 scores 75% or higher.

At the very least, it'll be close.

FICTION: SMB3 score 80%, or close to it

I think I've said enough on this one.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/11/2009 12:53:39 PM | message detail
I'd wager Galaga is going to extrapolate out to being the weakest game...Mario 1 is going to get crushed in the quarterfinals (especially if Mario World is there as well as Mario 3), and then whichever Nintendo game makes the finals (LttP or Mario 3) is going to get hit hard by Ocarina.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 12:57:08 PM | message detail
Galaga is definitely in the running for weakest game, but I think TSB is going to 'beat' it in the end.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 12:59:09 PM | message detail
You TSB underestimators are going to look silly in about 8 hours!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 12:59:55 PM | message detail
Man, if Madden wasn't up against SMB it would be a good sleeper pick in this contest!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:01:18 PM | message detail
In a 4-way contest against the Monkey Island and Sims series, darn right it would!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:02:57 PM | message detail
Did you just suggest Madden would do well in four-ways on GameFAQs

also http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3196

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:04:40 PM | message detail
Hey, look, it beat Crystallis!

And since when is beating MI and the Sims doing well?
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paulg235 | Posted 4/11/2009 1:07:26 PM | message detail
TSB = Madden, Strengthwise
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:09:20 PM | message detail
'It beat Crystalis' is the worst argument for strength I've ever heard

(I'm having so much fun with this match. It's fun to argue WHO SUCKS MORE rather than who's stronger sometimes.)

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:10:30 PM | message detail
And SimCity isn't The Sims.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2743

There! Monkey Island more than doubled the almighty King's Quest!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:22:32 PM | message detail
The Crystalis comment was more of a "Ha, it won't be the weakest game in the contest" thing than evidence of strength!

And SF is only tripling MI there! Why are we surprised that it's losing to Sonic?!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 1:23:46 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #075
And SimCity isn't The Sims.!


same series
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:25:32 PM | message detail
As of right now, Sonic 1 has 55.74% on SFII and growing. Mario RPG got 56.24% in 2004.

Sonic 1 = SMRPG > Sonic 2?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:25:44 PM | message detail
SMB has already shown...uh...ability to SFF Sports games. Yeah.

And SF is only tripling MI there! Why are we surprised that it's losing to Sonic?!

STREET FIGHTAH FO SON

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:27:16 PM | message detail
For some reason, I was under the impression that SFII was in the poll here, not SFIV!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:28:15 PM | message detail
And for some reason I was under the impression that Sonic 2>=Sonic 3>>Sonic 1 was a pretty set hierarchy!

You've lied to me, B8!

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 1:28:40 PM | message detail
I still this its Sonic 2 > 3 > 1
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 1:29:42 PM | message detail
you know, almost all of us have been burned by overanalyzing this stuff thats "obvious" to the casual contest fans... watch, Monkey Island will finish last and Sim city will easily get 15% even if it doesn't make any sense
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:31:07 PM | message detail
You know, banking on hardcore cult fanbases to pull through somehow usually doesn't work out!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:31:58 PM | message detail
You think banking on a sports game that barely beat Crystalis in a poll or a game that's Civ-lite at best is better?

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:32:39 PM | message detail
*looks at Civ*

Civ-lite!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 1:32:51 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #085
You think banking on a sports game that barely beat Crystalis in a poll or a game that's Civ-lite at best is better?


If you told me yesterday that Sonic would be 10% above SF2, I'd call you crazy. But thats what happens in these 4ways when we haven't had a game contest for 5 years

who knows what'll really happen
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redrocket | Posted 4/11/2009 1:33:25 PM | message detail
Why is Sonic 2 > 3?

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:33:34 PM | message detail
Don't be blinded by Civ beating Castlevania III. It's doing pretty damn bad here, Castlevania is just doing worse somehow.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:34:02 PM | message detail
I'm kidding! But still...Civ > CVIII is the most surprising result of the contest so far!
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/11/2009 1:34:03 PM | message detail
Man, it's not just Madden or football, it's sports. How high would you take any other sports-game in this contest? Now take Tecmo, a football-game on the NES not from an on-going series about football (not appreciated much outside of the US). Now put it against the game of its generation from the series that killed Madden. We've even seen that Nintendo fans are no exception to being sports-fans:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=31
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=34
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1870
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2245
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2625
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3181
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3199

No Nintendo-endorsed sports-game has done well and the biggest sports-series was massacred by SMB. We've also seen Contra and DW3 embarrassed by SFF'd-Metroid in light of this poll...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3196

...and nobody's expecting anything from Crystalis, so why should Tecmo be some exception? Aside from that poll, we've also seen it do poorly on the Top 100 List (#84, though it did beat Madden-2004 at #91). Other NES-games without a big-name brand-name behind it have been bombing too (Punch Out, Duck Hunt, Ninja Gaiden despite probable 3D-based votes). Even Castlevania 3 is flopping HARD to SF2/Sonic and losing to Civilization as we speak.

I understand the premise is that SimCity and SoMI should just be that weak, but it's hard not to say Tecmo's the one who could blow such a great chance to advance if any of them can blow it.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 1:34:47 PM | message detail

From: redrocket | #088
Why is Sonic 2 > 3?


sonic 2 is generally considered the time the series REALLY became big and was perfection of the sonic series during the Genesis era if you look at it from only a normal per game basis (not combing 2 games with Sonic 3/Knuckles, since thats more of an expansion pack then anything)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:35:49 PM | message detail
I know GameFAQs hates sports, but I seriously didn't want to think about that match for more than 5 seconds so I just picked my favorite game and moved on. This match is worthless in the long run away!

Man, writing an analysis on this match was awful.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 1:36:25 PM | message detail
tecmo super bowl for under 5% go go go
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:36:42 PM | message detail
I'm kidding! But still...Civ > CVIII is the most surprising result of the contest so far!

Agreed. I guess franchise voting only counts for very well-known series.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 1:37:39 PM | message detail
According to that OLD OLD Sonic poll: S&K > Sonic 2 > SA2 > Sonic 3 >= Sonic 1 >= SA1

Not like anyone's seriously going to take SA2 over Sonic 1 though, but hey!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 1:38:23 PM | message detail
I'm not seeing why so many people hate this match. It's no different from any other 1 Seed over 8 Seed slaughter we see in 1 on 1s, except we also have a silly little side match on the side.

Watching SMB3 kill the crap out of them is going to be fun, and so will watching 3 games fight for single-digit scraps of votes.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 1:39:25 PM | message detail
Oh, Its my most anticipated match of the first 2 divisions. Both as a hardcore Monkey Island fan, finally being able to see it have a shot at advancing, plus to just see how much SMB3 can truly massacre the poll.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 1:42:39 PM | message detail
If Civilization doubles SimCity and if 2004 SFII = 2009 SFII SMB3 defeats it 91/9
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 1:43:17 PM | message detail
no way civilization doubles simcity

you can say civ is stronger, but there is no way in hell its that much stronger
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