GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 672
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 12:28:07 AM | message detail |
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Sonic > Street Fighter forever. ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| Meeks54 | Posted 4/11/2009 12:32:41 AM | message detail |
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I still can't believe so many people missed the super obvious match. SMRPG>SF II but SF II>Sonic? Ok, sure. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 4/11/2009 12:40:11 AM | message detail |
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| nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/11/2009 12:40:51 AM | message detail |
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I feel like I should be bragging more. Excep that would make me to like him up there^. --- So I'll just say I'm happy with my extra 2 points and move on. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:41:58 AM | message detail |
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btw just wondering, what kind of score do you all have so far? It seems like the non contest regs are doing better in this contest typically then the gurus >_> --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 10:42:08 AM | message detail |
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You know it took me forever to defeat Giygas in Earthbound. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SFII > Sonic 1 Points: 12/16 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:42:50 AM | message detail |
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SMRPG>SF II but SF II>Sonic? I would've taken SMRPG>Sonic 1 in an instant. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:43:30 AM | message detail |
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nintendo + square over sonic after how much hes failed in 4ways? That would seem obvious to me. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 10:43:36 AM | message detail |
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What? Street Fighter is a fighting game so it won't score big
blowouts ever and Sonic harvests the apathy vote in a big way. I don't
see what's so odd about thinking this match would be different if CV3
were stronger. This is basically assuming that CVIII would be taking nearly all of the percentage gain from Sonic, which is wrong and basically makes the entire argument moot. And people saying Mario 3 has the picture advantage tomorrow have never played Tecmo Super Bowl! Just seeing that picture makes me want to vote for TSB right now! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| FFDragon | Posted 4/11/2009 10:44:21 AM | message detail |
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I just couldn't convince myself to take a fighter over an iconic platformer. >_> --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://i42.tinypic.com/fmtfgp.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:44:26 AM | message detail |
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The receiver is black, Leon. Might as well stick Carl Johnson there. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:44:43 AM | message detail |
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And people saying Mario 3 has the picture advantage tomorrow have
never played Tecmo Super Bowl! Just seeing that picture makes me want
to vote for TSB right now! racistFAQs imho --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 10:45:28 AM | message detail |
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Well this argument was made when SFII/Sonic was a little bit closer. Now, of course it wouldn't make a difference. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 10:45:39 AM | message detail |
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I haven't ranted about Sonic's iconic status once, actually. And I
believe the number of people who haven't played any of the games is
insanely low. So I really don't buy that as Sonic just mopping up
votes. I'm sure SFII is benefiting from it as well. There's not much of
a reason to believe that someone hasn't played SFII or Sonic, but for
some reason are going to vote for Sonic just for ****s and giggles.
Unless you are including people who have played later Sonic titles, but
not the actual original, in which case I'll tell you that franchise
voting is a damn powerful thing, and part of Sonic's inherent strength.
There's a reason the original FF can kick the crap out of games a lot
more popular than it. Well I'm just going to disagree with you there, then. I think proclaiming the number to be insanely low is insane itself. Way too much faith in the older fanbase of GameFAQs and/or the amount of games GameFAQs users have played in general here. I also think that franchise voting is 'inherent strength' in a way, but is also much more likely to abandon a game than direct strength. There's no real way to say either of us are right right now so I'll just say wait till round 2. The first match should be a good example of what I mean when Tetris plummets and Mega Man 2 doesn't move too much. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/11/2009 10:45:44 AM | message detail |
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I honestly have no excuse as to why I had Street Fighter II taking
first today. At this point I'm starting to just not care about my
bracket though >_> --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| voltch | Posted 4/11/2009 10:46:43 AM | message detail |
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**** SFIV,we should have kept TWEWY --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 *Shakes Fist* |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:46:49 AM | message detail |
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From: Masato_Tanaka | #015 Eh same, I've only gotten one match right so far- sigh- --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:47:06 AM | message detail |
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From: voltch | #016 SSBB > GTA4 confirmed --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 10:47:55 AM | message detail |
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Not confirmed because GTA IV has plenty of room to bomb harder! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| KingBartz | Posted 4/11/2009 10:48:12 AM | message detail |
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This is probably the worst contest start I've ever had. --- BGE 2009 SCORE: 12/16 Today's pick - Street Fighter II > Sonic the Hedgehog |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/11/2009 10:48:16 AM | message detail |
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We already know how many people on GameFAQs played the original Sonic.
It's like, 90% or so. considering Mario games are like 95% it's not too
shabby --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 10:48:20 AM | message detail |
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This match proves beyond ANY SHADOW OF A DOUBT that Mario World >
Sonic two had an absolute ton of SFF in it. I know I promised to be
nice, but anyone arguing otherwise after today gets the "lol Samus >
Mario" treatment. I'm sorry, it's just right in our face now. It also
indirectly means Chrono Trigger SFFd SMRPG, which is good news for RE2. And even though I was right about the 3 Genesis Sonic games being miles ahead of all Mega Man games sans MMX (be quiet Lopen, this is clearly not debatable), I never denied that SF2 had every chance to win. Auron and Kirby > Sonic and the side characters sucking it up for two years in this format is impossible to ignore, as well as Street Fighter 4. The most important Street Fighter release in nearly 20 years should have counted for something. I struggled with this pick for quite while, and admittedly went with what made more sense. Even though I knew Sonic would be strong, there's no denying the respect for him has gone down a bit. I'm also convinced 2>=3>1 in strength, because people value gameplay a lot. If you're in love with Sonic 2/3, 1 is nearly unplayable because of the lack of spin dash. And if anyone thinks Mega Man the character is as strong as Sonic the character anymore, lol at you. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 10:48:34 AM | message detail |
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This is basically assuming that CVIII would be taking nearly all of
the percentage gain from Sonic, which is wrong and basically makes the
entire argument moot. Of course. Sonic's winning by enough that's I've already admitted even a stronger (within reason) CV3 couldn't help SF2 here. But if CV3 got 10% more I still think that Sonic is dropping more than SF2, making the match look closer. If Castlevania goes up 10%, I could see 3% coming from SF, 6.5% coming from Sonic, and 0.5% coming from Civilization, for example. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:48:37 AM | message detail |
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loving game contest 4ways though so unpredictable! --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 10:48:56 AM | message detail |
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The first match should be a good example of what I mean when Tetris plummets and Mega Man 2 doesn't move too much. Are you delusional? Tetris is going to kill MM2. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 10:49:37 AM | message detail |
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I don't understand how CV3 being bad helps Sonic, but not SF2. Where would Castlevania leech from? --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:49:56 AM | message detail |
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I'm just happy nobody took my account bet offer yesterday <_< --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/11/2009 10:50:01 AM | message detail |
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I think Sonic 3 is going to wind up being unquestionably the weakest
Sonic personally. Not that this contest is actually going to be able to
tell us that. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:50:25 AM | message detail |
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From: UltimaterializerX | #026 I would expect CV to take more votes away from a 2D platformer (Which is what CV is) then a fighter. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 10:52:02 AM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 4/11/2009 1:50:25 PM | #028 ...people actually believe this? That's as ridiculous as "San Andreas would leech Final Fantasy 7 before Mario Brothers 3, because FF7 has more black people in it". --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 10:52:29 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3398 Really, this poll says the biggest thing about that whole argument. 31% of voters cared so little about Street Fighter that they wouldn't even pick their favorite amongst the games. They'd rather say that they don't care for any of the games instead. You would have thought more apathetic people would have just picked the most popular and well-known of those picks (SFII) since they probably at least played it. I don't think there would be such a big voter block who would rather vote for "I don't care" amongst other strong series. Currently scouring polls to see if there are any like this for any other popular series... --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:52:49 AM | message detail |
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From: UltimaterializerX | #030 gta:sa would hurt tecmo super bowl more then mario imho --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:53:27 AM | message detail |
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Currently scouring polls to see if there are any like this for any other popular series... search "WoW" --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 10:55:07 AM | message detail |
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This match proves beyond ANY SHADOW OF A DOUBT that Mario World >
Sonic two had an absolute ton of SFF in it. I know I promised to be
nice, but anyone arguing otherwise after today gets the "lol Samus >
Mario" treatment. I'm sorry, it's just right in our face now. It also
indirectly means Chrono Trigger SFFd SMRPG, which is good news for RE2. Yup I hope people stop arguing about that. Also my Sonic 3 > SM and Sonic 2 > MMX picks are looking really great. I also agree that I took SFII to win because I expected a boost from it and Sonic performs like crap in this format. Also if (and I mean if) SFII stayed constant since 2004 SMRPG would still defeat Sonic 1. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SFII > Sonic 1 Points: 12/16 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 10:55:15 AM | message detail |
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And if anyone thinks Mega Man the character is as strong as Sonic the character anymore, lol at you. Games =/= characters and all, so this isn't the best way to determine that. Either way, I still think it's a toss-up. This is basically implying that Mega Man games would've beaten Sonic games until 2007 or so. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 10:55:25 AM | message detail |
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It's not about leeching, it's not about SFF. I know. New ideas don't go over well in this topic because there's no clever acronym for it yet, no matter how sound the logic is. Just wait till round 2, that's all I'm saying. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:55:25 AM | message detail |
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That's my logic and I'm sticking to it! I can understand if you say that nobody cares about these games enough that 80% is possible, but you have to also realize how possible it is to have all opponents score less than 8% on Mario Bros. 3. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:57:44 AM | message detail |
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From: UltimaterializerX | #022 How is it? --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 10:57:49 AM | message detail |
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It also indirectly means Chrono Trigger SFFd SMRPG I'm still not buying this. SMRPG is a Mario game through and through. Chrono Trigger has a decent chunk of its popularity through re-releases and emulation. And it's not like SMRPG even performed badly in that match. How close to SMW's performance do you expect it to get? --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:58:21 AM | message detail |
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are people trying to argue a square rpg was not sff'd by chrono trigger seriously? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| Big Bob | Posted 4/11/2009 10:58:31 AM | message detail |
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Uh, I'd still take Mega Man > Sonic. Sonic's old-school games will
likely remain strong, but at least Mega Man doesn't give the impression
that he's pissing all over his fanbase. --- Just say the word and it's bear time! http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=big_bob |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 10:59:50 AM | message detail |
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search "WoW" Well that's a given. I meant seeing if any polls explicitly say "I don't care for Sonic games", or "I don't care for Mega Man games", or any of the other strongest series. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 11:01:49 AM | message detail |
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There was a poll that said 29% didn't play a single Mega Man game. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 11:03:14 AM | message detail |
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Mario 3 getting 80% would floor me, honestly, but it's not impossible.
I just don't see it happening. Games have to be horribly weak to score
that low. Number of 90%+ blowouts in contest history: 7 that I can think of, and I'm not bothering to extrapolate 4-ways. Now you're asking Mario 3 to score three 90%+ blowouts in one match. I mean, sure, it's got the ideal competition to do it perhaps, but that's tough. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 11:04:05 AM | message detail |
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are people trying to argue a square rpg was not sff'd by chrono trigger How many people played Mario RPG because Square made it? Raise your hands, please. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 11:04:15 AM | message detail |
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if mario bros 1 could get 70% against better competition when its no where near smb3s strength, its possible --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/11/2009 11:05:22 AM | message detail |
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We already know how many people on GameFAQs played the original
Sonic. It's like, 90% or so. considering Mario games are like 95% it's
not too shabby. We know that 90% of people who voted in a poll asking if they'd played Sonic 1 played Sonic 1. It seems pretty unlikely that is representative of the site as a whole. Same goes for Mario and all the other games we've had these kinds of polls on. And I'm assuming Ulti means that CT didn't SFF SMRPG much, because I do not understand how the argument makes sense the other way. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| swirIdude | Posted 4/11/2009 11:07:24 AM | message detail |
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From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 4/11/2009 2:04:05 PM | #045 Hell, if anything, SMRPG could have rSFFed CT. Remember neither game was out in Europe at the time, which game do you think Europe would support, the series they've never heard of, or the goddamn Mario? --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 FastFalcon: His predictions cure teen pregnancy. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 11:07:28 AM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #046 If SMB would even break 40% (which is actually where I'd peg it), that's close enough for it to score similar percentages on mega blowouts (that reach higher than say, 70-75%). You guys really don't know how big of a jump 10% is in these ranges. Just compare how much Mario Bros 3 would get and then see what FF7 would get on the same game. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 11:07:55 AM | message detail |
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This is again failing to realize how big the leap from 70% to 80% is. Oh right, yesterday's chart: Time | DWIII | Contra | Metroid | Zelda EBV | 8.18% | 14.25% | 21.31% | 56.26% PHV | 7.91% | 13.67% | 19.99% | 58.43% FNV | 8.17% | 14.41% | 19.33% | 58.10% BSV | 6.86% | 13.23% | 18.61% | 61.31% DSV | 7.02% | 11.80% | 18.54% | 62.64% ASV | 7.29% | 11.96% | 17.99% | 62.87% SNV | 7.97% | 12.78% | 17.62% | 61.62% Nice board vote and Power Hour for Metroid, but it gradually went down all match long. Zelda didn't start going 60%+ until morning, and it never looked back. Contra did very badly from 9 A.M. and onward. DWIII's best time was the board vote and the two night votes. Yesterday's stats: The Legend of Zelda – 50.00% Metroid – 23.31% Contra – 17.17% Dragon Warrior III – 10.77% --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
