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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 671

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 9:55:10 PM | message detail
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/10/2009 9:55:39 PM | message detail
That doesn't matter; its not competing with Mario 3. The amoung of votes Monkey Island does get from rallies will still outdo its 3way competition.

There aren't that many people that would rally for Monkey Island and there aren't that many Monkey Island fans for them to rally. It's a small factor to begin with made smaller by the fact that a lot of the people trying to be ralled will vote for Mario 3. It might out do the SimCity and Tecmo rallies but it still isn't going to mean anything.
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Zoma121 | Posted 4/10/2009 9:55:52 PM | message detail
From the looks of it, PC games are going to get owned (with exceptions, one probably being WoW).

If Civ comes in fourth, I can't see any other "classic" PC games placing. Doom, maybe.

Do a quick google search for "top pc games of all time," and site after site after site will have Civ up there, typically in the top 5.

Monkey Island is usually in the top 20 or so.

Sim City typically beats it, had an SNES version many non-PC gamers are familiar with, has had releases for on modern portables, and gets updated every few years. It's been almost a decade since the last Monkey Island game.

Civ getting thrashed as hard as it did has basically made me lose faith in classic PC games in this competition.

A few links for the curious:

http://www.firingsquad.com/games/top_10_2004/page6.asp

http://pc.ign.com/articles/082/082403p1.html

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=164289 <-- Deus Ex as #1, yay!

http://www.cdaccess.com/html/pc/150best.htm
WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/10/2009 9:56:30 PM | message detail
Spoilers


If Monkey Island needs rallying to compete with SimCity, the rallying won't matter because SimCity will bury it during the day.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 9:56:32 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #302
That doesn't matter; its not competing with Mario 3. The amoung of votes Monkey Island does get from rallies will still outdo its 3way competition.

There aren't that many people that would rally for Monkey Island and there aren't that many Monkey Island fans for them to rally. It's a small factor to begin with made smaller by the fact that a lot of the people trying to be ralled will vote for Mario 3. It might out do the SimCity and Tecmo rallies but it still isn't going to mean anything.


Well, that doesn't answer the stuffing part of it, which I wouldn't be surprised is a factor for the Monkey Island fans
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/10/2009 9:57:14 PM | message detail
Rallying for Monkey Island will probably end up helping Sim City at least a little, due to the similar PC fanbase.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 9:57:37 PM | message detail
If Monkey Island needs rallying to compete with SimCity, the rallying won't matter because SimCity will bury it during the day.

None of the 3 games are going to 'bury' anything. We're going to see incredibly low vote shifts, with whoever's winning by 6 AM probably winning the whole thing.

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Dark_Star_1 | Posted 4/10/2009 9:58:01 PM | message detail
*watches fight for 3rd everyone is ignoring*

15 votes huh...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 9:58:23 PM | message detail
I can't see any of the 3 having good day votes. They're probably all going to be better at night then just help mario raise his % even more during the day
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:00:09 PM | message detail
Also wow low votals today. Been a while since we didn't hit 10k within first hour.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/10/2009 10:04:13 PM | message detail
Well, that doesn't answer the stuffing part of it, which I wouldn't be surprised is a factor for the Monkey Island fans

Maybe, maybe not. We don't anywhere near enough data to deteremine if Monkey Island fans are particularly good vote stuffers.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:06:06 PM | message detail
uh what was that from civilization
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Same Orphanage | Posted 4/10/2009 10:06:51 PM | message detail
Next target - Street Fighter 2.
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 4/10/2009 10:06:53 PM | message detail
It's about time Civ gets the respect it deserves!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:07:58 PM | message detail
is this match making anyone think RE has a shot to take down Sotn
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swirIdude | Posted 4/10/2009 10:09:26 PM | message detail
I picked SMK > Sonic 3 ahahahahaha *bangs head on wall*
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 10:09:27 PM | message detail
uh.. no. SOTN is leagues away from all castlevania games.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:10:04 PM | message detail
Obviously, but such a pathetic showing still makes me wonder if Sotn has fallen since last game contest
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 10:11:08 PM | message detail
but SOTN isn't Castlevania III.

The two aren't joined at hip. You're overanalyzing.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/10/2009 10:11:59 PM | message detail
We know that SOTN had some power behind it... 5 years ago. It did well on the Top 100 games list... 3.5 years ago. I don't see it completely bombing but RE always had a chance to win.
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creativename | Posted 4/10/2009 10:15:34 PM | message detail
Go Civ!

We know that SOTN had some power behind it... 5 years ago. It did well on the Top 100 games list... 3.5 years ago. I don't see it completely bombing but RE always had a chance to win.

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/10/2009 10:16:41 PM | message detail
Castlevania fighting back!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 10:18:02 PM | message detail
You really want to start doubting SotN? You're being lured into The Plan!*

*unless that is also part of The Plan**

**it is

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edwardsdv | Posted 4/10/2009 10:26:30 PM | message detail
The plan shall unfurl gloriously.

We'll all see when 20 contests from now Alucard is named Best Character Ever and Castlevania Dawn of the Aria of Sorrow is reigning supreme as Best Game Ever.

Oh we'll be sorry we ever crossed Castlevania then.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:30:45 PM | message detail
street fighter a cuttin'
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/10/2009 10:33:24 PM | message detail
So, why was SF2 the board favorite to take 1st again?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:33:37 PM | message detail

From: Dilated Chemist | #326
So, why was SF2 the board favorite to take 1st again?


why wasn't it was a better question imho
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Calintares | Posted 4/10/2009 10:41:25 PM | message detail
Remember that Alucard is also in Castlevania 3, this is obviously part of the plan....

SPOILER




















the plan to create a vampiric civilization
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/10/2009 11:45:30 PM | message detail

From: ImplicitContent | Posted: 4/11/2009 12:13:19 AM | #188
so who's everyone feelings for Super Metroid/Sonic 3/SMK


Sonic 3 > Super Metroid. I'm very confident in this pick now.
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voltch | Posted 4/10/2009 11:47:39 PM | message detail
i hate sonic.
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transience | Posted 4/10/2009 11:47:42 PM | message detail
Congratulations, Street Fighter! It took you 33 updates, but you won one by 1 vote!
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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 11:52:01 PM | message detail
*looks at poll*

Yeah, my work is done.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:54:51 PM | message detail

From: transience | #331
Congratulations, Street Fighter! It took you 33 updates, but you won one by 1 vote!


Um, it won an update back a little after 1 o'clock.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/11/2009 12:00:33 AM | message detail
Yeah, it wom the 1.30 update by 10 votes.
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Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 12:03:56 AM | message detail
Whoa there Sonic. Still think Street Fighter has next round though with SMB3 in the poll.

Castlevania 3 that's so sad :(
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MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 12:06:59 AM | message detail
But yeah, really I did not expect Castlevania 3 to suck this hard. That's the main reason Sonic is doing so well. SF has always had a nice niche group of voters on this site, but there's always a chunk of voters that simply don't care for fighting games, so SF will never dominate a poll. If Castlevania would have brought something to the table, then SF would have had a chance, which is why I said the match was still a tossup. I thought it'd get at least 20% in the poll. Yikes.

*checks bracket to see where he has SOTN*

Whew, SM64 > RE! Just making sure!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 12:09:39 AM | message detail

From: Lopen | Posted: 4/11/2009 3:03:56 AM | #335
Whoa there Sonic. Still think Street Fighter has next round though with SMB3 in the poll.

Castlevania 3 that's so sad :(


Doubt it, given Metroid/Zelda and how far apart these two games will be. Sonic will struggle a little bit during the Europe Hours, then explode again tomorrow. Even if Mario 3 SFFs it to hell, SF2 will have a lot of ground to make up. There's a reason I struggled with this pick for so long. Despite what people here want to think, this site doesn't care about fighting games one bit.

Furthermore, I don't understand why you guys keep attaching Sonic games and Mega Man games at the hip. The three Sonic Genesis titles are widely-beloved, iconic games. The popularity of all the Mega Man games, with the possible exception of Mega Man X, have been watered down because of having too damn many of them. Mega Man games were destined to flop this contest, and Sonic games were bound to do well. Who doesn't love the hell out of Genesis Sonic?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 12:11:52 AM | message detail
I still don't feel bad about picking SotN. When was the last time you saw anyone talk about Castlevania 3? It's that series' version of Mega Man 6 -- a game near the end of a console's life that no one cares about because people were in "bring on the next system" mode. Super Castlevania IV would have dominated for third place.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 12:13:18 AM | message detail
Yeah, even with this result, I still feel confident about SMB3 > SFII. Street Fighter probably would have won today if Castlevania didn't suck so much, now that I look at it. God, I can't stand looking at it suck so much.
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Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 12:14:40 AM | message detail
Eh. I know you enjoy it oh so much Ulti, but saying it over and over isn't going to convince me since it's really just you saying the same stuff we're saying about Mega Man 2 and 3 and then saying OH BUT SONIC 1-3 ARE REALLY POPULAR THEY'RE NOT THE SAME with no real support other than IT'S OBVIOUS DUH.

Now, it may end up that way in the end but I'm going to have to see more than one good Sonic performance to convince me here. MnM basically has my thoughts on this match: I figured Castlevania would be worth more than 10% here. It's not so much that I overshot SF2 here as much as undershot Sonic with CV3 and to a lesser extent Civilization not being total trash. Sonic's probably just reaping the famed apathy vote here-- something that won't exist once SMB3 hits the field.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 12:15:21 AM | message detail
Street Fighter probably would have won today if Castlevania didn't suck so much, now that I look at it.

How does this make any sense?
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Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 12:16:56 AM | message detail
It's that series' version of Mega Man 6 -- a game near the end of a console's life that no one cares about because people were in "bring on the next system" mode. Super Castlevania IV would have dominated for third place.

I'm not entirely sure you're in touch with the Castlevania fanbase. It's surely not MEGA MAN 6. People do like the game-- it's not the only non SotN game from CV for no reason.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 12:17:31 AM | message detail
Huh? Castlevania 3 came out in 1990. It got plenty of play and publicity back in the day. It's just that its style is archaic, and it gets no love today like other NES series gems do. No re-releases, remakes, collections or anything for it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 12:18:33 AM | message detail
Older gamers like MM2 and 3 (*waves*), but a site filled with 15 year-olds doesn't even know Mega Man exists by this point. When was the last major Mega Man game to hit the market that you would have poll faith in? Of ALL the Mega Man games, which ones do you have poll faith in?

The answer is Mega Man X. That's it. That's the entire list. Capcom's idiotic decision to only release Mega Man 9 online officially killed that series.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 12:20:16 AM | message detail

From: MnMZero | Posted: 4/11/2009 3:17:31 AM | #343
Huh? Castlevania 3 came out in 1990. It got plenty of play and publicity back in the day. It's just that its style is archaic, and it gets no love today like other NES series gems do. No re-releases, remakes, collections or anything for it.


I don't remember it getting a whole lot. People were pissed off at that series following the abortion known as Simon's Quest.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 12:21:01 AM | message detail

How does this make any sense?


Street Fighter isn't doing badly at all. The SF fanbase has always had a core block of voters. Why do you think Ryu is so consistent? If Castlevania would have brought something to the table, I'm sure more of those votes would have been at the expense of Sonic. We already know there's a chunk of voters that don't care for fighting games at all. Since Castlevania is sucking it hard, Sonic is gobbling up all of those votes. Put a stronger game in than Castlevania and Sonic/SFII gets a lot closer I think.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/11/2009 12:21:32 AM | message detail
*Just saw the poll*

Ohhh goddammit. I always put too much faith in Street Fighter in these contests. This really kills my insane hope for MKII > Sonic 2. Maaaaan.
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Zoma121 | Posted 4/11/2009 12:22:38 AM | message detail
I was kinda surprised that CV3 got in over CV2. From memory, I thought CV2 was more popular and got generally higher ratings than CV3 at the time.

Doing a google comparison, CV2 gets about 30% more hits than CV3.
UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/11/2009 12:25:22 AM | message detail
A niche 2D game from Konami is supposed to leech votes from one of the two games that came closest to killing Mario in the gaming market? I'm sure if Gunstar Heroes were in the poll, you'd expect it to leech votes from Sonic. They are both 2D platformers, after all.

Hey, how about Earthworm Jim? Or Jewel Master? Any lesser-known 2D platformer should be able to leech here! =p
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MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 12:26:30 AM | message detail
Castlevania 2... higher ratings? That game sucks compared to CV3. The only think CV2 has going for it amongst the CV fanbase is Bloody Tears. The game is a convoluted mess.
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