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| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 9:42:04 AM | message detail |
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pfft, you still went with Street Fighter! Yeah, but I didn't have the confidence in it that some people here did! I always thought Sonic 1 could win! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 9:49:01 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I saw your crew pick and read that! SFII winning by percentage
points? Sounds like a scared pick to me! Either Sonic was going to
bring it or it wasn't! :P --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/11/2009 9:51:40 AM | message detail |
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Well, whenever I don't know who's going to win, I normally just put the percentages close in hopes of a close match! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 4/11/2009 9:52:16 AM | message detail |
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Have you morphed yet EC? :) Gaaah screw you Street Fighter II --- 14/16 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest NP: Street Fighter II > Sonic the Hedgehog | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4 |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/11/2009 9:54:01 AM | message detail |
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I would have, but looking at some of my future picks it'll just come
back to bite me in the ass. Wish I actually bothered taking a few
serious looks at my bracket instead of just filling it out and
forgetting it. I was too down on 4-ways to care. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 9:54:16 AM | message detail |
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When there's such a huge range for what people expect out of a match, it probably isn't going to end up being close! --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:09:48 AM | message detail |
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Civ has this --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:10:39 AM | message detail |
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You have to understand just how ridiculously high 80% is. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2433 If there's one series that is able to wreck fodder, it's Mario. 80% is a tall order, but a very possible one. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| Raito_Yagami1 | Posted 4/11/2009 10:10:43 AM | message detail |
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Street fighter lost?!?!? --- I'm not Kira |
| Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 10:11:42 AM | message detail |
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and then go in the next breath and say Sonic is only doing this
because Castlevania is doing so poorly (lol wut). Sonic is going to end
up winning this match by 10%, a day after countless people were yelling
and screaming how Sonic had absolutely no chance, and there weren't any
viable arguments for him winning. So please, stop it. What? Street Fighter is a fighting game so it won't score big blowouts ever and Sonic harvests the apathy vote in a big way. I don't see what's so odd about thinking this match would be different if CV3 were stronger. You people getting off on Sonic's performance and blowouts from the games in the first division are in for a rude awakening next round when games with fans actually start showing up. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:11:43 AM | message detail |
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That's.. 1vs1. This is 4-ways. 80% is seriously almost impossible. I'm pretty sure at least two of these games can break 8%. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:13:21 AM | message detail |
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We've already seen Super Mario Bros 1
score 70% on two games that people actually know about (and Galaga).
70% to 80% is a big jump, but SMB3 is stronger...and look at the
competition. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/11/2009 10:14:57 AM | message detail |
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I think 80% in a 3-way is pretty much the equivalent of getting like
92.5% in one-on-one, which is what the series did do on Madden. The
problem is that all 3 games would have to be just as weak as Madden to
pull that off. Getting a match with 3 characters that are all that weak
is quite a rarity, and I don't think this set up quite makes the cut.
Not to mention that the Mario series seemed to be much stronger than
any single game, with Mario 3 losing to CT comfortable and the series
itself giving Final Fantasy a fairly good fight --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 10:16:20 AM | message detail |
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I'm glad this match stopped the barrage of "look at MM2" arguments! :) --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:16:30 AM | message detail |
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We've already seen Super Mario Bros 1 score 70% on two games that people actually know about But as Leonhart said, the 70-80% jump isn't as small as you're thinking. When it comes to weak entries, if SMB3 can get 80%, SMB would probably get a percent less than it.. maybe even less than a percent less. It's hard to gain in percent the higher you go. As for the strengths of these games, again, I'm pretty sure all of them are at least stronger than Galaga. That's enough to at least give Mario 3 78% at the highest. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:16:41 AM | message detail |
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I'm pretty sure that, at the least, Tecmo Super Bowl is weaker than Madden. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/11/2009 10:17:12 AM | message detail |
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I figure it's a lock for at least 75%. Duck Hunt and Ninja Gaiden would
both murder any of Mario 3's opponents. Also, vicious picture advantage
for the plumber. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/11/2009 10:18:39 AM | message detail |
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And what basis do you have to off of that is Castlevania were doing
better it would only be hurting Sonic? You really think 35% of the site
is hardcore SFII fans voting for it over anything else? No, of course
not. A stronger game than CV here would be hurting both games, and I
really see no reason to believe it would be hurting Sonic by any
significant margin more than SF. Really why I made that comment was because you refuse to believe what Ulti is saying in the the original 3 sonics are much more beloved among the Sonic series than any random numbered MM title you want to throw out, when you just spent the last day arguing that Sonic would finish closer to CV than SFII in this match. Obviously something in your reasoning was off, and by a very large margin. Yet you were berating him for saying as much, and then you turned around and through out that completely baseless assumption that if CV were doing better it would be disproportionately hurting Sonic. It just seemed kind of ridiculous to me. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:19:08 AM | message detail |
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Heck, TSB is might be weaker than Galaga. TSB could be the weakest game in the entire contest. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 10:19:14 AM | message detail |
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Uh, if Galaga was in this I'd probably take it for second. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/11/2009 10:20:13 AM | message detail |
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ignore the terrible sentence structures there please --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:21:15 AM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #466 does this make it weaker than galaga? all of these entrants would have to be about as loved as galaga for me to see Mario hit 80%. It may hit 80% with a board vote, but I highly doubt the final result will be 80%. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:21:46 AM | message detail |
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and sure, one entrant could be weaker than galaga, but keyword all of them. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:23:14 AM | message detail |
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If Mario 3 hits 80% with the board vote - which will be littered with
SimCity bracket votes and Monkey Island fan votes - it's going even
higher. You really think any of those 3 games will do well in the day? --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:23:47 AM | message detail |
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Original Madden NFL came out in 1989. Lets just say that tomorrow, Tecmo Bowl was replaced by Madden NFL. Who would you have finishing second? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| swirIdude | Posted 4/11/2009 10:24:34 AM | message detail |
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You really think any of those 3 games will do well in the day? Day vote's going to SMB3, with a little bit of Tecmo. --- SSBB FC: 4425-1156-3590 FastFalcon: His predictions cure teen pregnancy. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:25:20 AM | message detail |
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Actually I think I can also use the estimator creative came up with. according to it (gamefaqscontests.com), all of these entrants would have to score an average of... 7.5% on Mario 3 straight-up. Well, is it possible.. I mean, for all three? Tecmo would probably perform something like that. maybe 6%. Simcity isn't dead. It would probably break 10% on Mario 3. Monkey island I'm not too sure maybe. It could probably break 7.5% one on one as well. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:26:31 AM | message detail |
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7.5% on Mario 3 straight up? ...I can see that for every one of them. TSB goes a bit lower, SimCity and Monkey Island go a bit higher, but yeah. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:26:48 AM | message detail |
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Heck, panzer dragoon saga (a game that got more votes than its copies)
got 20% against Goldeneye. I don't think it's much of a stretch to
expect Monkey Island and SimCity to break 7% ... is it? --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:27:10 AM | message detail |
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if madden gets like 7.5%, I can't see any reason none of them would go high. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 10:27:43 AM | message detail |
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You really think 35% of the site is hardcore SFII fans voting for it
over anything else? No, of course not. A stronger game than CV here
would be hurting both games, and I really see no reason to believe it
would be hurting Sonic by any significant margin more than SF. No, but I do think Sonic is getting a hell of a lot more votes from people who don't care about any of the above than SF2 is here. You can't respect the name Sonic so much and turn around and deny this. And if that's the case, of course it's going to down a lot more than Street Fighter when more games that people give a crap about show up. It's easier to convert a mostly neutral vote than a vote from a fan. You can all assume that games are going to decrease in percentage proportionally to each other but I'm saying that's going to be the wrong thing to do in these game four ways. I'm sure with the early rounds a good 20-30% of the site hasn't played any of the games. Percentages should be much more volatile depending on what games are in any given match than they are for characters or series, because to know a game you have to have played it-- whereas with characters or series you just need to have played one of like a dozen games in many case. Don't get me wrong: Sonic is now winning by enough that even if Castlevania were doing what I thought it was going to SF2 would lose narrowly. But I have pretty much total faith that next round is SF2's match to lose. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 10:30:36 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2433 If there's one series that is able to wreck fodder, it's Mario. 80% is a tall order, but a very possible one. To get 80% SMB3 would need an average of 92.32%, the entire series couldn't even get that on Madden NFL. What makes you think SMB3 can get that on three random opponents with different fanbases? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SFII > Sonic 1 Points: 12/16 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:32:37 AM | message detail |
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From: charmander6000 | #482 Madden I believe is more well known and liked then any of the 3 series tomorrow. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/11/2009 10:32:42 AM | message detail |
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Next round is SFII's to lose because Sonic is going to be on the ass
end of a SFF beatdown, not because stronger competition will always
favor SFII. I don't assume that all games will decrease in perfect
proportion to each other as stronger games are introduced at all. You
have to take into account similar fanbases and who is more likely to
overlap, but with CV being stronger I don't see how it affects Sonic
any more than SFII. There's absolutely nothing that would lead us to
believe so other than you just saying so. There is nothing that leads
me to believe that SFII has some ungodly higher number of hardcore fans
than Sonic does that would cause such a thing to occur. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 10:33:24 AM | message detail |
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Would anyone take Gunstar Heroes over SimCity, Monkey Island and Tecmo? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SFII > Sonic 1 Points: 12/16 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:33:59 AM | message detail |
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Gunstar Heroes? Yeah. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:34:43 AM | message detail |
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I'd take Gunstar Heroes over TEcmo and Monkey Island in a non SFF'd situation. Simcity would beat it though. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 10:36:14 AM | message detail |
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And by over I mean defeat each game with an average of 58/42? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SFII > Sonic 1 Points: 12/16 |
| Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 10:36:29 AM | message detail |
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I'm just saying: How many of the people voting in this poll do you think haven't played any of the four games? Now which do you think is a better draw for such people? Sonic or Street Fighter. The answer should be obvious for someone ranting about Sonic's iconic status. Put FF7 in next round and I'm taking SF2 for second too. The fact that it's OMG SFF BEATDOWN is just going to make it more ugly. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/11/2009 10:36:47 AM | message detail |
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SMB3/LTTP are pretty close, and Gunstar Heroes is a pretty good comparison I'd think. No clue how popular that game is though. I'd say a cult Genesis game is as bad as it gets. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SFII > Sonic - Points: 12/16 Vote: SFII |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:37:14 AM | message detail |
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Monkey Island I would because it has such a small fanbase I don't think
it could ever muster over 30% (even Ryo hazuki killed it 72-28% Tecmo.. meh it would be close --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:37:47 AM | message detail |
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No clue how popular that game is though. I'd say a cult Genesis game is as bad as it gets. Cult Saturn is even worse. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/11/2009 10:39:14 AM | message detail |
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EC, it's not really the hardcore fans in the center of that argument.
It's the fact that GameFAQs is fickle and there is a chunk of voters
that don't care
for fighting games at all. With Castlevania and Civilization being so
weak, those votes are automatically going to Sonic. Of course, the same
situation happens with any game or series, but I don't think as notable as with SF and fighting games in general on GameFAQs. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 10:39:21 AM | message detail |
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Even 75% requires SMB3 to 90/10 everything, which looks a bit better. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SFII > Sonic 1 Points: 12/16 |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/11/2009 10:39:48 AM | message detail |
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I haven't ranted about Sonic's iconic status once, actually. And I
believe the number of people who haven't played any of the games is
insanely low. So I really don't buy that as Sonic just mopping up
votes. I'm sure SFII is benefiting from it as well. There's not much of
a reason to believe that someone hasn't played SFII or Sonic, but for
some reason are going to vote for Sonic just for ****s and giggles.
Unless you are including people who have played later Sonic titles, but
not the actual original, in which case I'll tell you that franchise
voting is a damn powerful thing, and part of Sonic's inherent strength.
There's a reason the original FF can kick the crap out of games a lot
more popular than it. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:40:05 AM | message detail |
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I think we're going a little overboard with these stats. No one cares about those three games with the exception of some diehard Monkey Island fans, no one's played them, and damn near everyone has played/loved SMB3. With that in mind, I think 80% is very possible. That's my logic and I'm sticking to it! --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/11/2009 10:40:16 AM | message detail |
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EC, it's not really the hardcore fans in the center of that
argument. It's the fact that GameFAQs is fickle and there is a chunk of
voters that don't care for fighting games at all. With Castlevania and
Civilization being so weak, those votes are automatically going to
Sonic. Of course, the same situation happens with any game or series,
but I don't think as notable as with SF and fighting games in general
on GameFAQs. Haven't fighting characters performed better in this format than one vs one? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SFII > Sonic 1 Points: 12/16 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/11/2009 10:40:30 AM | message detail |
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Play Shining Force 2 --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| Lopen | Posted 4/11/2009 10:40:49 AM | message detail |
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I mean, my point is... with games, it's not always going to be about
SFF when a game decreases nonlinearly with respect to another. It's not
even necessarily going to be the "devoted fanbase" thing. Let go of your stats topic preconceptions. We've never had four way game contests before, so it's time to introduce more factors! --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/11/2009 10:40:56 AM | message detail |
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Play Earthbound --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
