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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 671
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/10/2009 1:19:52 AM | message detail |
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What a boring match. ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| Denzokuken | Posted 4/10/2009 1:25:07 AM | message detail |
| I agree we've been spoiled by the first three. |
| voltch | Posted 4/10/2009 2:52:54 AM | message detail |
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boring match,but most of us still got our predix wrong.damn --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 *Shakes Fist* |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/10/2009 2:56:34 AM | message detail |
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We overestimated Zelda's power to SFF anything Nintendo. --- [ FINAL FOUR ] FFVII / Super Mario Bros. 3 / LoZ: Ocarina of Time / Metal Gear Solid |
| PokemonPatriarch | Posted 4/10/2009 3:01:20 AM | message detail |
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That's pretty much spot-on that you overestimated Zelda I. Remember that Zelda didn't truly dominate its eras until LttP came along. --- Looks like Fastfalcon gave us some Falcon PUNCH! |
| voltch | Posted 4/10/2009 3:08:50 AM | message detail |
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oh well,only round 1 matches,the final order is worth so much more. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 *Shakes Fist* |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/10/2009 11:22:02 AM | message detail |
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tag --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| LinkLegend27 | Posted 4/10/2009 11:23:13 AM | message detail |
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I was under the notion that Metroid resists Nintendo SFF. Are there any stats to back that up at all --- Fortes in Unitate. I ain't conceited only positive and way better |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 11:25:19 AM | message detail |
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I'm starting to like 4-ways more, although I assume that'll change once the LFF starts getting really bad. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/10/2009 1:28:09 PM | message detail |
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BT, my point is that you said SF2 = SMRPG. There's a big difference, as their match against each other would suggest, and SMRPG's had reason to improve since then. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/10/2009 1:29:47 PM | message detail |
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Nevermind, I thought SF2/SMRPG was closer than it was, but the point
remains. I'd take Mario RPG to put a similar performance on Sonic 2,
which is way more popular than Sonic 1. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/10/2009 1:30:10 PM | message detail |
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I've argued since the middle of the Series Contest that Sonic/Castlevania could be a pretty good match. I've got you beat, I argued that since the beginning! --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/10/2009 1:38:07 PM | message detail |
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Zelda is SFFing Metroid pretty bad, but Contra is being SFFed just as
much. Picking Contra > Metroid is a stupid idea since virtually all
old NES games share the same fanbase. Contra is similar enough to Zelda
and Metroid that if Contra appeals to someone, Zelda and Metroid are
going to as well. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/10/2009 1:38:52 PM | message detail |
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I was under the notion that Metroid resists Nintendo SFF. Are there any stats to back that up at all Ahahahahahaha ...damn it Contra you suck --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/10/2009 1:40:22 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | #013 Wow, really? It's a good thing you came here and posted that. I don't think any of us saw that. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| LinkLegend27 | Posted 4/10/2009 1:40:29 PM | message detail |
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^ Guess not. I thought that, and I also figured Contra was a scrub. Turned out pretty good for me. --- Fortes in Unitate. I ain't conceited only positive and way better |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/10/2009 1:42:58 PM | message detail |
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Zelda is SFFing Metroid pretty bad, but Contra is being SFFed just as much. Absolutely not - unless you think Contra is above 40% in a 1v1 match against Metroid. Zelda is clearly SFFing Metroid quite a bit more, it's just that Contra is failing to capitalize. Picking Contra > Metroid is a stupid idea since virtually all old NES games share the same fanbase. Contra is similar enough to Zelda and Metroid that if Contra appeals to someone, Zelda and Metroid are going to as well. You had SMB > DH without a second thought I'm guessing --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| ZFS | Posted 4/10/2009 1:50:46 PM | message detail |
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Looks like Zelda's going to cruise past 61%. Feeling great about having it over SMB1 for two rounds. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 1:51:50 PM | message detail |
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Contra is closer to DWIII than an SFF'd Metroid... --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 1:52:34 PM | message detail |
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From: HaRRicH | #010 And SF2 wouldn't? SF2 Remake came out in November and SF4 is brand new. I'd say SF2 has more reason to improve then SMRPG. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 1:54:18 PM | message detail |
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SMRPG is available to a whole new country that never saw its release. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 1:55:18 PM | message detail |
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From: MarioSuperstar | #021 VC Sales are dirt generally, though. I wouldn't consider VC a very important factor at all. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 4/10/2009 1:55:53 PM | message detail |
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How well did the SF2 Remake sell? --- Shall I take you with me? To the place in this town where wishes come true... |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 1:56:29 PM | message detail |
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Well looking at how poorly HD Remix did and how poorly anticipated SFIV
was, I wouldn't say SF2 wins in the 'more to gain' aspect. Especially consider Super Mario RPG was one of the most-wanted games on VC (even according to GameFAQs!). --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/10/2009 1:57:23 PM | message detail |
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I had SMB > Ninja Gaiden. Same cartridge SFF is a bit stronger than
same console SFF. Plus, Duck Hunt has a casual fanbase, and casual
fanbases suck in this format. Absolutely not - unless you think Contra is above 40% in a 1v1 match against Metroid. I do, actually. Or I think Contra could score at least 35%. The original Metroid was, according to most people, not too great of a game. Contra and Metroid had similar performances in the 2004 contest. My point is, the amount Zelda is hurting Metroid more than Contra is completely negligible. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 1:57:39 PM | message detail |
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how poorly anticipated SFIV was, I wouldn't say SF2 wins in the 'more to gain' aspect. someone seems to have missed sf4s massive sales --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 4/10/2009 1:58:37 PM | message detail |
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It had sold 250,000 back in December. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 1:59:42 PM | message detail |
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combined with 360 and ps3, SF4 has sold nearly 2 million --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 4/10/2009 2:01:28 PM | message detail |
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And if that seems low, it's best to remember that downloadable titles
tend to not sell nearly as well as retail games. Those are huge numbers
for something like that -- it set the record for first month sales of a
downloadable game. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 2:02:01 PM | message detail |
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I said anticipation. I know it sold fairly well, but GameFAQs didn't really look forward to it much compared to other games. .. Like Platinum. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 2:04:38 PM | message detail |
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Excuse me, but... what exactly does ANTICIPATION have to do with a game that released almost 2 months ago, exactly? I can see it if SF4 was coming up like a couple months and the boost it might give SF2, but its come out and been a hit, so anticipation isn't a factor. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/10/2009 2:06:57 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3397 --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| ZFS | Posted 4/10/2009 2:08:26 PM | message detail |
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I'm not sure what's being argued, though. SMRPG and SFII both have
plenty of reason to increase since the last contest -- one got a VC
release, the other got a remake and a new entry in the series. Not
really important which has increased more since they're not facing each
other. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/sficrr.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 2:09:06 PM | message detail |
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Oh I don't doubt SMRPG has increased, I just think SF2 has had more reason to increase. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/10/2009 2:09:56 PM | message detail |
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Contra and Metroid had similar performances in the 2004 contest. My
point is, the amount Zelda is hurting Metroid more than Contra is
completely negligible. Metroid got 68% on Pac-Man. Contra got 61^% on Phantasy Star. You're utterly off-base here. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Mumei | Posted 4/10/2009 2:10:53 PM | message detail |
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The first three matches were just as boring after the first few hours. --- "Luxe, calme et volupte." - Charles Baudelaire, The Invitation to the Voyage |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 4/10/2009 2:13:34 PM | message detail |
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The fact that a SFII clone (which I doubt was rallied) originally made the bracket suggests to me that it'll be pretty strong. --- Better to ask than to speculate |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 2:14:30 PM | message detail |
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At the very least, I don't think anyone, even the Sonic Brigade, can
argue that Sonic will have improved more then SF2 from last contest. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/10/2009 3:37:10 PM | message detail |
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Now that R1 is over for this division: FACT or FICTION: Ninja Gaiden beats Metroid next round. FACT or FICTION: LoZ > SMB in every match they share from R2 onward. FACT or FICTION: MM2 never gets close to Tetris. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 4/10/2009 3:42:47 PM | message detail |
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I don't have even one match completely right in this contest!I rule! --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 3:46:19 PM | message detail |
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Ninja Gaiden barely beat an SFF'd Duck Hunt, and Contra probably beats Ninja Gaiden. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/10/2009 3:53:29 PM | message detail |
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Right...now it's Metroid with SMB and LoZ in the match. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 4/10/2009 4:05:14 PM | message detail |
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Ninja Gaiden beating Metroid next round? Nah. --- 10/12 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest NP: The Legend of Zelda > Metroid | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4 |
| Adamantno1 | Posted 4/10/2009 4:13:28 PM | message detail |
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SMRPG is available to a whole new country that never saw its release. It always had the emulation vote from Europe. Don't think the VC vote will change much. Just like Chrono Trigger, Mario RPG has so much internet hype Europeans emulate it despite not being familiar with it from their childhood. Plus, it's a Mario game. --- My nick's Adamant. I have a "no 1" that looks stupid. Would've changed it if I could without losing karma. So it's Adamant, not Adamanto or Adamantno. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/10/2009 4:16:39 PM | message detail |
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Ninja Gaiden got 15.13% against Super Mario Bros. Metroid is getting 23.44% against The Legend of Zelda Unless SMB > LoZ by a lot I don't see Metroid losing to Ninja Gaiden. I'm pretty sure that not many more voters that stuck with Metroid despite LoZ would change to SMB. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ > Contra Points: 10/12 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/10/2009 4:44:31 PM | message detail |
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There's a reason CT and SMRPG do horribly with the dead zone, and this
was proven with the geolocation polls. They're not as bad as Oregon
Trail there, but they're still really bad. A European release should
help a lot. --- Best Game Ever Contest II: Score: 6/12 Bracket: The Legend of Zelda > Contra --- Vote: The Legend of Zelda |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 4:47:25 PM | message detail |
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From: red sox 777 | #046 I don't consider VC a true "Release" though. Have you ever seen how bad the VC games sell? a game is lucky to sell more then 10k --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/10/2009 4:47:53 PM | message detail |
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| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/10/2009 4:49:02 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bge09/bge09-05.jpg http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bge09/bge09-06.jpg http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bge09/bge09-07.jpg --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 4:49:03 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bge09/bge09-05.jpg Good stuff all around. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
