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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 670

MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 9:52:52 AM | message detail
Debate point:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3398

You've got 30% that probably will not be voting for SFII off the bat!

Plus

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2665

= Victoly for Snoic????!!!!

Really, I'm just pulling stuff out of my ass. I'm bored right now though. I do think the match is a toss-up though.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/10/2009 9:54:39 AM | message detail
BTW- suprised Metriod doing so well with Contra in there. Wonder how it would have done with the Zero suit on Ms. Aran...

Eh? You mean with Zelda there right? Nothing Contra is a threat to anything Metroid, extreme SFF or not.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/10/2009 9:56:30 AM | message detail
This is another SMB Vs. the field match.

Zelda is SFFing everything here, and Metroid is getting the franchise votes. It's too bad, both matches went the same way and I screwed them both up.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:18:20 AM | message detail
people are thinking sonic 1 has a chance at first tomorrow?

SERIOUSLY?
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/10/2009 10:22:24 AM | message detail
If SFII loses it would be more because of SFII than Sonic 1.
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LinkLegend27 | Posted 4/10/2009 10:22:34 AM | message detail
I think it does.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:25:04 AM | message detail
There are so many reasons for SF2 to pummel Sonic 1, but I can't think of one reason to expect Sonic 1 to win

SF2 would pummel Sonic 2 back in 2004 in 1v1; back when Sonic was actually WORTH something

If SF2 could then, theres no reason to not think it would be a blowout now.
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ImplicitContent | Posted 4/10/2009 10:25:05 AM | message detail
If SFII loses it would be more because of SFII than Sonic 1.

Why do people have to say stuff like this? It makes absolutely no sense. Unless you're expecting SFII to suddenly hang with the big dogs after getting romped by SMRPG. In which case you're just delusional.

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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 10:26:32 AM | message detail
When did SFII turn into a power house?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:27:34 AM | message detail
SF2 was a solid mid carder in the 2004 stats. People are looking too much into it losing round 1, since Super Mario RPG finsihed VERY strong in the stats.

Super Mario RPG would put 65% on Sonic 2, and SF2 got 58% on it.
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ImplicitContent | Posted 4/10/2009 10:29:07 AM | message detail
thanks for pulling numbers out of your ass despite Sonic 2 in reality looking every bit as good if not better than SFII back in 2K4.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:29:42 AM | message detail
yeah blowing out a genesis rpg and getting its ass handed to by super mario world is top tier
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:32:04 AM | message detail
I still haven't heard a legit excuse for Sonic 1 when theres plenty of reasons for SF2 to dominate this match
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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 10:33:54 AM | message detail
SFII... dominate? Uhhhh.... yeah.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:35:02 AM | message detail
Its facing the weakest 2D sonic game, some old castlevania nobody cares about and a civilization game

No reason to not think it wouldn't get 40% here
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/10/2009 10:36:14 AM | message detail
The weakest 2D Sonic game does not mean that game is anywhere near weak. It could very well beat SFII straight up.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:36:33 AM | message detail
Street Fighter II (2004g) VS Tetris (2004g)

Street Fighter II has a strength of 26.49.
Tetris has a strength of 20.75.

Street Fighter II wins with 60.83% of the vote!
A win of 18,688 with 86,244 total votes cast.


I mean srsly if Tetris can get 50% in its match, 40% should be no problem here for SF2
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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 10:38:21 AM | message detail
The 2D Sonic games are the most popular ones. That's not even saying much. And looking at how SMB did, Sonic 1 might not even be that much weaker than Sonic 2 in a contest setting.

And Street Fighter's never dominated anything on this site.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/10/2009 10:38:23 AM | message detail
And again, the weakest 2D Sonic game can easily beat just about every DK game, which was Tetris' only challenge.
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draarrowgant | Posted 4/10/2009 10:38:26 AM | message detail
When did SFII turn into a power house?

When SFIV came out...

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:38:51 AM | message detail
fun fact; sf2 gets about the same on Chrono Trigger then sonic 2 got on smw

so unless you think chrono trigger = smw, then you're sadly mistaken if you think sonic is worth anything, especially now in 4 ways
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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 10:38:58 AM | message detail
Please, please stop hugging those stats...
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/10/2009 10:39:21 AM | message detail
Man, you people fall into the trap every single time.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:39:35 AM | message detail

From: MnMZero | #422
Please, please stop hugging those stats...


Its more reliable then anything the sonic people have to say, which is "lol sf2 isn't strong!" which is just assuming. Stats > assumptions.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 10:41:19 AM | message detail

When SFIV came out...


And this is confirmed... how?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:42:17 AM | message detail

From: MnMZero | #425
And this is confirmed... how?


recency helps games. and with SF2 already being pretty strong, it just makes it stronger

Though I'm probably overestimating SF2. I've got it to elite 8 afterall.
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JackalsIII | Posted 4/10/2009 10:44:06 AM | message detail
I voted for Contra as I really liked playing that game. Though on my bracket, I voted for Adventures of Zelda.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:46:12 AM | message detail
Oh and I don't have it to elite 8 because of its strength

its due to its easy easy path, and I have FF4 losing round 2 so I have SF2 as the beneficiary of all the SFF
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Denzokuken | Posted 4/10/2009 10:46:32 AM | message detail
I think SFII will win the match as well mainly because of SFIV which will almost certainly give it a handy boost...it won't be a blowout but Sonic 1 won't be too close for comfort either. I don't think it will get to the last 8 though, instead I have FF4 doing the exact same thing from that division.
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/10/2009 10:46:38 AM | message detail
Street Fighter II would win this contest 15 years ago.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/10/2009 10:47:20 AM | message detail

Its more reliable then anything the sonic people have to say, which is "lol sf2 isn't strong!" which is just assuming. Stats > assumptions.


Are you seriously using 2004 stats to point out... anything?

Really?

Do you also think Mario could beat Cloud? How about Cloud beating Link?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:47:50 AM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #431

Its more reliable then anything the sonic people have to say, which is "lol sf2 isn't strong!" which is just assuming. Stats > assumptions.


Are you seriously using 2004 stats to point out... anything?

Really?

Do you also think Mario could beat Cloud? How about Cloud beating Link?


ff7 > oot in 2004 stats

oot > ff7 for sure now since stats are wrong
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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 10:48:25 AM | message detail
I still see nothing pointing to SFII being a powerhouse. It's one thing to say SFIV makes it a favorite. Still waiting on proof that says its a powerhouse.
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Denzokuken | Posted 4/10/2009 10:48:46 AM | message detail
If FF4 gets through round 2 (a lot more likely thanks to Mega Man 2's weak showing) I think it will beat SFII in the division final. Definitely one of those two is going to be the surprise entrant in the semis.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:50:22 AM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:50:52 AM | message detail
its not a powerhouse

but sonic 1 should be just a bit above fodder. if Sonic 2 was 22% on base link, sonic 1 should be 20% or lower, which is the fodder level.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:52:09 AM | message detail

From: Denzokuken | #434
If FF4 gets through round 2 (a lot more likely thanks to Mega Man 2's weak showing) I think it will beat SFII in the division final. Definitely one of those two is going to be the surprise entrant in the semis.


and yeah, if FF4 gets through, then it beats SF2. But I still can't get over the fact I think FF1 and FF4 will LFF big time. But MM2s piss poor showing (which also effects Sonic to show he should do horrible) makes me worry
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 10:54:13 AM | message detail
I just have absolutely no faith in Sonic to do anything of note, especially after MM2's showing.

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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 10:54:25 AM | message detail
Okay, so if all we have to back up is Albion's rambling, I still don't see how Sonic 1 doesn't have a chance. Still a toss-up to me.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:54:36 AM | message detail
you wanna know what kinda powerhouse Sonic 2 was?

Sonic 2 (2004g) VS Mortal Kombat (2004g)

Sonic 2 has a strength of 22.17.
Mortal Kombat has a strength of 23.33.

Mortal Kombat wins with 52.49% of the vote!
A win of 4,248 with 85,435 total votes cast.



Mortal KOMBAT would beat it. And if you think Mortal Kombat > SF2...
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/10/2009 10:56:55 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 4/10/2009 1:54:13 PM | #438
I just have absolutely no faith in Sonic to do anything of note, especially after MM2's showing.


This comes up a lot, and I don't understand it. Mega Man and Sonic have nothing to do with each other outside their color.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:57:56 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #441
This comes up a lot, and I don't understand it. Mega Man and Sonic have nothing to do with each other outside their color.


They're both old platforming characters who have had tons of games with no game totally standing out over the others, and are both proven to be much stronger characters then their games.

Thats why they are lumped together. Sonic was still noble nine in 2004 yet his game totally bombed and was barely above fodder line; theres a reason for that
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/10/2009 10:59:10 AM | message detail
Megaman has had like 10 times more games than Sonic. Sonic is more comparable to Mario in terms of their game to character relationship
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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 10:59:29 AM | message detail
MM2 was more everyone overestimating it as an NES dominator.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 10:59:55 AM | message detail

From: The n00b Avenger | #443
Megaman has had like 10 times more games than Sonic. Sonic is more comparable to Mario in terms of their game to character relationship


none of sonics games are anywhere near as memorable as Marios top offerings

And Sonic has had over 50 unique titles iirc.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 11:00:40 AM | message detail
The games contest was right after SC2k3!

Magus > Sonic
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:01:04 AM | message detail
Actually after counting it up, Sonic has had 44 unique titles, not over 50

close enough though
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 11:04:36 AM | message detail
Assuming no SFF between CT and Mario RPG (unlikely, I think there was a little there), SFII is worth 28.8% on Chrono Trigger in 2004.

Assuming no SFF between Sonic 2 and SMW (yeah right), Sonic 2 is worth 24.13% on Chrono Trigger in 2004.

Without doing any math, and assuming a little SFF between CT and SMRPG and a lot of SFF between Sonic 2 and SMW...I think this puts Sonic 2 a little bit above Street Fighter II in 2004. Indirectly.

Sonic 1 is going to be weaker than Sonic 2. Strike 1.

Sonic games have become less and less relevant over the years, haven't had many rereleases, and the series in general is a laughingstock these days. Strike 2.

Sonic performs like ASS in four-ways. Strike 3.

Street Fighter II has had a bajillion rereleases, is still played today, and SFIV's rave reviews and great sales show that the series is still respected and popular. Strike 4.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/10/2009 11:05:10 AM | message detail
Or maybe, just maybe, people would understand that Sonic and Mega Man are pretty much Nintendo characters, and they would get SFFed by stronger Nintendo characters/games.

And using 2004 stats to prove anything in the present day just goes to show how stupid you actually are. Nothing from before 2006 should be used to prove anything. If you have a worthy argument, you can use present day findings, or findings that aren't so completely irrelevant that it makes you a laughing stock just by bringing them up.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:07:16 AM | message detail
They seem to be fine to use if they back up your point though, right? Its just "lol 2004 stats" if it goes against your point.

But yeah, I agree 2004 stats probably aren't that reliable; since Sonic was actualyl relevant back then. Now he isn't, so he should be much weaker then he was in 2004.
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