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| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/10/2009 11:07:45 AM | message detail |
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And I'm not saying Sonic is going to beat SFII. Calling Sonic 2 fodder
based on nothing is completely asinine. You'd have a much, much better
argument at comparing Sonic 2 to MM2 bombing and Sonic performing like
ass in fourways then to say it will suck based off of 2004. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:08:39 AM | message detail |
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any of you sonic fanboys willing to risk your account over it? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/10/2009 11:08:45 AM | message detail |
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*sonic the character has become less relevant over the years. The game
has had rereleases on XBLA, and in mega collections. I don't know if
it's on the virtual console, though my guess is that it is. *sonic the character is terrible in 4-ways. I was the number one proponent of sonic being a weak piece of ass last year thanks to just getting weaker and the format. Predicted his path perfectly with Auron and everything. This is a completely different situation. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/10/2009 11:09:57 AM | message detail |
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Not saying that I agree with Sonic being weak, just saying that using 2004 stats for anything is completely retarded. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 11:10:43 AM | message detail |
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My reasoning for SFII > Sonic has more to do with Sonic 1 just not
being a loved game. You can use Super Mario Bros. as a comparison but
they are two completely different scenarios. Sonic the Hedgehog is no
Super Mario Bros. I'd barely take Sonic 2 over SFII; let alone the first one nobody really talks or care about. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/10/2009 11:11:04 AM | message detail |
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I'm talking about Sonic games that actually matter. Megaman had like 10
games just within 2 generations in his main series. Sonic had like, 4
games for the Genesis(2 of them technically being part of the same
package even), a few spinoffs that don't really matter, and a couple
Dreamcast games that came quite a bit later. Stuff after Adventure 2
doesn't even matter, screw that --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 11:11:14 AM | message detail |
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Not saying that I agree with Sonic being weak, just saying that using 2004 stats for anything is completely retarded. I think it's fair to use it in this scenario as Sonic 2 and SFII have a common indirect opponent in Chrono Trigger. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/10/2009 11:11:52 AM | message detail |
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You could also argue that Sonic 1 will get franchise votes, which will
mean it will be equal to Sonic 2, which could very well be stronger
then SFII. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 4/10/2009 11:12:09 AM | message detail |
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I don't understand the Sonic worries based on Mega Man 2. No Mega Man
game has ever been as popular/well regarded as the Genesis Sonic's.
Mega Man fanboys can say otherwise but it just isn't the case. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:12:21 AM | message detail |
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Seems like nobody is willing to throw away their account oh well --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 11:12:56 AM | message detail |
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You could also argue that Sonic 1 will get franchise votes, which
will mean it will be equal to Sonic 2, which could very well be
stronger then SFII. I think that's a really, really bad argument though. I can see individual beloved Sonic games have a modicum of strength, but Sonic the series is in the crapper right now. Franchise votes are going to be very limited. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 11:12:58 AM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #458 Mega Man sure didn't. I don't think franchise votes is enough to take *every* Sonic game over the most beloved Street Fighter game. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:13:18 AM | message detail |
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From: MegatokyoEd | #459 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2799 --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:14:36 AM | message detail |
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Also the fact that Castlevania is so close to Sonic in that poll should be worrisome --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 11:14:48 AM | message detail |
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To be fair, all that poll means is that Mega Man holds up better to Sonic. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 4/10/2009 11:16:10 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2799 And Sonic's performance in the series contest pretty much completely owns that notion. The series is barely above Castlevania in that poll which is a joke. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:17:26 AM | message detail |
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From: MegatokyoEd | #466 weren't you guys arguing that older the polls, the less relevant it is --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/10/2009 11:17:49 AM | message detail |
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http://img.imgcake.com/Zen/dragonballevolution.gif --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 11:17:50 AM | message detail |
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My reasoning for SFII > Sonic has more to do with Sonic 1 just not being a loved game. You can use Super Mario Bros. as a comparison but they are two completely different scenarios. Sonic the Hedgehog is no Super Mario Bros. Of course you can't compare them directly, but you can compare the relationship of SMB/SMB3 to Sonic 1/Sonic 2. I don't see why Sonic 1 would be that much weaker than Sonic 2. In fact, I'd probably think that Sonic 1 would be closer to Sonic 2 than SMB would be to SMB3 speaking strictly from a game sense. Honestly, Sonic 1 vs. Sonic 2 would be one of the last things I'd consider in this match. It's far more likely that SFII > Sonic 2 > Sonic 1 or Sonic 2 > Sonic 1 > SFFII than Sonic 2 > SFII > Sonic 1 and seeing the difference between Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 determine the match vs. SFII. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 11:18:47 AM | message detail |
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seeing the difference between Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 determine the match vs. SFII. Not really. Sonic 2 is a debatable match against SFII. Sonic 1 being weaker than Sonic 2 makes this a no-brainer. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 11:19:20 AM | message detail |
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And Sonic's performance in the series contest pretty much completely
owns that notion. The series is barely above Castlevania in that poll
which is a joke. That poll takes place a year after the series contest, right around when Sonic started his downward spiral. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:20:03 AM | message detail |
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"hey guys, a game is comparable to smb3, so smb1 should easily beat it" --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| Applekidjosh | Posted 4/10/2009 11:21:22 AM | message detail |
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From: UltimaterializerX | #012 you probably don't care, but in Fate/Stay Night this actually had meaning. When Servants die they are just reincarnated again the next time they need to be summoned for a Holy Grail War, but people aren't so lucky. Shirou always wanted to fight instead of his Servant Saber cause she was a girl and he was a moronic noble guy, this is him thinking about how "people (as opposed to Servants) die if they are killed" --- http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7595/lovevk5.gif Tranquil as a forest, but on fire within. Once you find your center you are sure to win! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 11:21:29 AM | message detail |
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The reason SMB is close to SMB3 is because SMB is just as significant as SMB3. Sonic is simply Sonic's first game, and not many people regard it anything past that. As far as game quality goes, it's not even everybody's favorite Sonic game. Sonic 2 is held as such a higher regard and even sold infinitely better. And in a format like this, not being a game you would hold in high regard should make it perform worse when there are more options. Also, if Sonic isn't far away from Sonic 2, then SFII should squeeze through anyway since I think Sonic 2 wouldn't really blow SFII away or anything. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/10/2009 11:21:31 AM | message detail |
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So I guess this is the first boring match of the contest huh? --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| draarrowgant | Posted 4/10/2009 11:34:53 AM | message detail |
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I dont think it will be boring... in fact- it should be good... the first real boring match will be the one following: SimCity Super Mario Bros. 3 Tecmo Super Bowl Secret of Monkey Island Another Mario stomperooo. Anyone else grab SimCity on that one? Granted when I wasn't sure of a pick I picked MY favorite and sim city was the beginning of an incredible era... then again so was Tecmo Super Bowl (birth of Madden?) --- ************************************** psn aarrowgant |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 11:38:23 AM | message detail |
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SimCity is the heavy bracket favorite, but with all the blowouts we've
been seeing Monkey Island is starting to look like a great upset pick. Tecmo is probably screwed. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 11:39:01 AM | message detail |
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Sonic is simply Sonic's first game, and not many people regard it anything past that. As far as game quality goes, it's not even everybody's favorite Sonic game. Just because people like Sonic 2 the best doesn't mean that they don't like Sonic 1. This isn't like the gap between Mega Man and Mega Man 2. In all honesty, I think most people will see Sonic 1 as "Aww yeah 2-D Sonic" vs. "Oh, it's only Sonic 1. Bah". People still like Sonic 1, but they simply like Sonic 2 more than 1. I think the difference would only matter significantly were they to go against each other. The 2-D Sonic factor would probably jump out at users more in this instance. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| draarrowgant | Posted 4/10/2009 11:44:40 AM | message detail |
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Even though I would love to see this board get off of Sonic (he's spikey!) I agree with MnM with one additional comment: MOST voters couldn't tell you the difference between Sonic 1 or 2. And I don't mean shown side-by-side. I mean if you took the average gamefaqs voter and showed them one of the two games (random) and ask if they knew which sonic game it was- they wouldn't know... they would probably be guessing. Given that I think the sonic 2 vote will be overwhelmingly a Sonic character vote and not a game vote. Where as SFII is "wow, that's the game that really started it all"... Speaking of which- anyone remember the BIG AS$ buttons on the original SFI arcade game... well duh arcade- it never made it to consoles... --- ************************************** psn aarrowgant |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/10/2009 11:44:56 AM | message detail |
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I think masa meant todays match is boring --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://seitoacademy.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lucky-star1.jpg |
| draarrowgant | Posted 4/10/2009 11:47:57 AM | message detail |
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oh- today's vote? there's a vote today? I thought it was already over... seriously already had written it off in my head. --- ************************************** psn aarrowgant |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/10/2009 12:09:50 PM | message detail |
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Yeah I just got around to checking the results literally hour ago when
I made that post cause I figured this one was pretty much the most
predictable match of the first round Tomorrow's match should be a fun battle between Sonic and SF2 though --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/10/2009 12:11:25 PM | message detail |
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For some reason I have Tecmo SB as an upset pick for placing in second
in that match BTW >_> probably a terrible idea, but whatever. --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 12:14:29 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, looking at Dragon Warrior today I say its chances are very slim. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 12:17:25 PM | message detail |
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What does DW have to do with Tecmo Super Bowl? A better analogy would be http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2433 --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| Xeybozn | Posted 4/10/2009 12:19:45 PM | message detail |
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Any particular reason why the Series Contest isn't being mentioned as evidence Sonic could beat SFII? Sonic the Hedgehog (2006s) VS Street Fighter (2006s) Sonic the Hedgehog has a strength of 35.00. Street Fighter has a strength of 27.27. Sonic the Hedgehog wins with 61.04% of the vote! A win of 27,542 with 124,704 total votes cast. That's a lot of percentage SFII has to make up, even if Sonic isn't great in 4-ways. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/10/2009 12:22:21 PM | message detail |
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Games =/= Series, of course. SFII means a lot more to the SF series than any single Sonic game means to the Sonic series. --- Best Game Ever Contest II: Score: 6/12 Bracket: The Legend of Zelda > Contra --- Vote: The Legend of Zelda |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 12:23:00 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #485 They were in the same Virtual Console poll... and Contra not being far away from DW seemed to predict this match ... >____________> That's a lot of percentage SFII has to make up, even if Sonic isn't great in 4-ways. Sonic is more than likely over-inflated in the series contest, because they can't be that much higher than Metal Gear Games. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/10/2009 12:27:42 PM | message detail |
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I would have brought it up, but I know the common response would have been "Look at MM2". What I pull from the series contest though is that Sonic was a bit stronger than Mega Man as a series, and that's with it losing to a strong Nintendo series, while Mega Man went up against Final Fantasy. And it's not like Sonic has a ton of games in the series that people all love. It's 3D games get constantly trashed. I think the 3 Genesis games are a big part of the overall popularity, which is why I argue that the gap between Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 shouldn't be all that much. SFII pretty much was the series before SFIV was released, as far as the series contest goes, so I would look a bit more at its placement in the series contest. I don't think SFIV would move the series up much if that contest were run again, so I certainly don't think it will make SFII the individual game significantly stronger. Might be enough to give it the edge though. But I still don't think a fighting game will ever dominate a poll on this site. There's still a huge chunk of voters that don't care for fighting games at all, which is why I give Sonic 1 a chance. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/10/2009 12:30:38 PM | message detail |
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SF Series vs. Sonic series is basically SFII vs. Sonic series, yeah. Not really a fair analogy. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/10/2009 12:34:06 PM | message detail |
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I'll give Sonic 1 the chance, and I never really once thought that 2D Sonic games could all be real close together. With all that said, I guess I'd still stay strong in my SFII pick since I'd probably take it over Sonic 2 anyway. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: LoZ > Contra - Points: 10/12 Vote: Contra |
| Lopen | Posted 4/10/2009 12:43:37 PM | message detail |
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Yeah I kinda think all of Smash's opponents overperformed against it
relative to what you'd expect from its games, causing Sonic to be a bit
inflated. It seemed to me that bigger/older series got more cred in
that contest, meaning that series like Halo, Kingdom Hearts, Devil May
Cry, and Smash Brothers had more trouble than they would in 1v1
settings featuring their games. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 4/10/2009 12:44:43 PM | message detail |
| Aww yeah Starcraft |
| eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/10/2009 12:58:21 PM | message detail |
| Can't wait for tomorrow when Sonic demolishes SFII. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/10/2009 1:05:22 PM | message detail |
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And Sonic's performance in the series contest pretty much completely
owns that notion. The series is barely above Castlevania in that poll
which is a joke. I've argued since the middle of the Series Contest that Sonic/Castlevania could be a pretty good match. Between SSBB-hype over-rating SSB against SMB, Castlevania being more relevant and spanning more systems than Sonic, and C:SotN being the biggest game between the two series...it would be a bad mistake to assume Sonic is going to destroy Castlevania, and that platformer-poll suggests it too. Just because people like Sonic 2 the best doesn't mean that they don't like Sonic 1. This isn't like the gap between Mega Man and Mega Man 2. In all honesty, I think most people will see Sonic 1 as "Aww yeah 2-D Sonic" vs. "Oh, it's only Sonic 1. Bah". People still like Sonic 1, but they simply like Sonic 2 more than 1. True, but there are a LOT of games I would vote MM2 > ___ > MM1...and I'd make the gap between Sonic 2 and Sonic 1 bigger, myself. What I pull from the series contest though is that Sonic was a bit stronger than Mega Man as a series, and that's with it losing to a strong Nintendo series, while Mega Man went up against Final Fantasy. I was more impressed with MM beating MK than Sonic beating DMC, and -- again -- SSB was jacked up on SSBB-hype against SMB; I know that would affect how it did against Sonic, too, but I think an SFF-match was the perfect match to get SSB over-rated stat-wise. Besides, while SSB is a strong Nintendo series, it was also a two-game series that was already pretty close to Sonic's strength. It's hard to call for a big anomaly for opponents with similar strength from different companies. As for tomorrow's match, I'll be shocked if Sonic wins it. It might come close to SF2, but close ain't winning. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/10/2009 1:14:07 PM | message detail |
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Street Fighter > Sonic Sonic < Sonic 2 Mario RPG > Sonic 2 Street Fighter 2 = Mario RPG Add to that the well received Street Fighter remakes, Street Fighter 4, and Sonic taking a huge turd in the last 2 contests and this one's a no brainer. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/10/2009 1:17:21 PM | message detail |
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Street Fighter 2 = Mario RPG SF2 LOST ?!?!? Oh, and SMRPG is on the VC now, too, since it was the most demanded game according to Nintendo Power. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/10/2009 1:19:36 PM | message detail |
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From: HaRRicH | #497 Your point? --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| LinkLegend27 | Posted 4/10/2009 1:23:15 PM | message detail |
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I think you guys might be looking too much into the Sonic/SFII match. --- Fortes in Unitate. I ain't conceited only positive and way better |
| Viviff | Posted 4/10/2009 1:23:28 PM | message detail |
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500 steal --- Official Board 8 Brawl and Pokemon Champion Official GameFAQs Mario, Bowser, C Falcon, DK, Pokemon Trainer, Wolf Champion |
