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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 668

Silverflash-x | Posted 4/8/2009 10:15:53 PM | message detail
Back under 50 again.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 10:16:00 PM | message detail
...Hey, now, don't make all this discussion pointless. We still need that 27 vote end gap.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 10:16:06 PM | message detail
Wasn't Vincent coming back on Crono pretty big?
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ff6man | Posted 4/8/2009 10:16:08 PM | message detail
Two Duck Hunt cuts in a row, Hells yes!
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deadeyedllv | Posted 4/8/2009 10:16:15 PM | message detail
I remember that match well.
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Childproof | Posted 4/8/2009 10:16:50 PM | message detail
go go epic Duck Hunt comeback
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Today's prediction: Mario BORS. 58.33% - Duck Hunt 16.70% - Ninja Gaiden 15.64% - Galaga 9.33% - Status: wtf SMB
transience | Posted 4/8/2009 10:17:23 PM | message detail
yeah, Duck Hunt vs. Ninja Gaiden doesn't really matter at all. two points aren't going to matter in this chain reaction of a contest.

the only way it could possibly matter is if Duck Hunt holds SMB back vs. Zelda 1 or something, but that's so minimal. this is all about "whatever you can do, I can do better", just like the old days. Tetris, Mega Man 2, Mario 1, Zelda 1 - these are our undisputed top four and watching them measure up against each other is pretty cool.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/8/2009 10:17:30 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #381
Did the DK comeback never happen or something?

Sure, it happened. It's just not relevant five years later in a four-way format, especially considering SMB's presence. Ninja Gaiden wins by thousands.


People have already gone over why such a margin is extremely unlikely. If this match ends at 120,000 votes and DH + NG combine for 26%, that's 31,200 votes between them. Let's round up to 32,000. "Thousands" means at least a 17,000-15,000 win for NG, which amounts to a 53/47 percentage win. That's a lot more comfortable than what they're doing now.
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Lopen | Posted 4/8/2009 10:18:06 PM | message detail
Predix:

Ninja Gaiden up about 400 after the dead hours
Loses lead with morning/DSV
Blows Duck Hunt away (say it four times) with the ASV to win by over 1000.

And with that I'm done. Ta ta...
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/8/2009 10:19:36 PM | message detail
In other news, Duck Hunt is now doubling Galaga.

Didn't Tetris only get like 74% or something on Galaga?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 10:19:39 PM | message detail
So the way I see it, there are two outcomes. Duck Hunt repeats the 2004 surge during tomorrow and wins big, or Ninja Gaiden follows Ryu's trend and wins gradually. The latter option seems more likely, given Mario 1 will neuter any potential Duck Hunt push.

I always favor the poll entrant that relies on its own strength (Ninja Gaiden, in this case) over the entrant relying on extra factors. Duck Hunt not only needs a good day vote, but it needs Mario 1 to not totally kill all of its votes. Ninja Gaiden only needs to remain consistent.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 10:19:40 PM | message detail
Lopen, you're starting to sound like me saying Punch-Out would come back from a 1200 deficit in its match.

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whatev | Posted 4/8/2009 10:20:20 PM | message detail
Well, Oregon Trail managed to shave some votes off of a 7000 vote lead. I think that this is the biggest lead that we've ever seen consistently cut (I'll give a rough definition of consistent as two consecutive 15-minute updates). The only other match I could find that had anything like this is the Link/L-Block match, where Link managed to cut into a 6600 vote lead.

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/8/2009 10:20:22 PM | message detail
Blows Duck Hunt away (say it four times) with the ASV to win by over 1000.

I figured that Ninja Gaiden should have a good ASV, if you consider Ryu's good ASV.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/8/2009 10:20:54 PM | message detail
Let's go Duck Hunt. The time until 4 or so should be good for Duck Hunt (although the fact that it's losing right now during its good time does not bode well- how much better will the ASV be?) 4 is edge of the cliff, and the dearth of votes in the dead zone would be the reason why Europe usually does not decide matches. But with extremely geographically unbalanced games like Oregon Trail and Duck Hunt (and to a lesser extent, Chrono Trigger), it can make a big difference.....it's not like there'll be that many votes for these games to work with during the ASV either with SMB taking up most of the votes in every time period.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 10:20:56 PM | message detail
That was some Ninja Gaiden Power Hour.

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Childproof | Posted 4/8/2009 10:20:59 PM | message detail
I like what I see
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Today's prediction: Mario BORS. 58.33% - Duck Hunt 16.70% - Ninja Gaiden 15.64% - Galaga 9.33% - Status: wtf SMB
WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/8/2009 10:21:18 PM | message detail
Uhh...that makes it a trend, doesn't it?

NPH clearly means Ninja Power Hour.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 10:21:49 PM | message detail
Predicting either game to win by 1000+ with Mario 1 in the poll is ludicrous.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 10:21:51 PM | message detail
These trends are weird.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 10:22:25 PM | message detail
Maybe we are all wrong about the trends... it is Duck Hunt will get the lead and NG will come back with the ASV!
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Lopen | Posted 4/8/2009 10:22:30 PM | message detail
Lopen, you're starting to sound like me saying Punch-Out would come back from a 1200 deficit in its match.

What does that mean. Swings are too huge? 1000 votes from the ASV could totally happen here...!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 10:22:32 PM | message detail
Another probably-dumb question, but did Ryu H generally have a good first hour?
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transience | Posted 4/8/2009 10:22:41 PM | message detail
I love how we're calling trends on a 50 vote lead an hour into the poll. at least let the night vote play out before saying anything concrete because the early vote is always weird and unlike anything else.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 10:22:52 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #423
Another probably-dumb question, but did Ryu H generally have a good first hour?


He was blown out by Zero in the first hour last contest.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 10:23:31 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 4/9/2009 1:22:25 AM | #421
Maybe we are all wrong about the trends... it is Duck Hunt will get the lead and NG will come back with the ASV!


That would be on par with Castlevania winning the day vote against Halo -- trends so obvious that they wrap around and turn ass-backwards.
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creativename | Posted 4/8/2009 10:23:39 PM | message detail
this is all about "whatever you can do, I can do better", just like the old days. Tetris, Mega Man 2, Mario 1, Zelda 1 - these are our undisputed top four and watching them measure up against each other is pretty cool.

Indeed. Tetris>MM2 already looks pretty assured, and people I think will finally start to give some credit to SMB's chances against LoZ.

LoZ will also look impressive tomorrow (no doubt leading to much "LoZ>SMB is a lock!" nonsense, heh), but not quite as otherworldly impressive because it's competition is significantly stiffer.
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/8/2009 10:23:50 PM | message detail
Yeah, but that's Zero. Mega Man is (almost) always strongest during the first hour before dying during every other time period. That's like saying Ryu is a night beast because he beat Zero in Europe.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 10:24:22 PM | message detail
Ryu has a PH vote slightly worse than his night vote.

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Lopen | Posted 4/8/2009 10:24:50 PM | message detail
People need to stop saying we need to stop calling matches too early. If you wait until it's obvious there's no point in calling the damn match. Like Ashe said a few days ago, that's the whole point of this topic: To try and predict trends and such based on what we know. It's not fun if you're like "okay Ninja Gaiden is up by 1000 'now it's done' I feel safe saying that"
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/8/2009 10:24:54 PM | message detail
I for one am skeptical that Ninja Gaiden will dominate in Europe. It doesn't seem like a game that was very popular in Europe back then, and Ryu Hayabusa doing well there proves nothing about the NES game. Prediction: Ninja Gaiden's percentage stays fairly steady overnight, while Duck Hunt's tanks and SMB's rises.
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Bracket: Super Mario Bros. > Duck Hunt --- Vote: Duck Hunt
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 10:24:57 PM | message detail
The thing though with these trends; they'll be totally wonky with mario there. We aren't gonna se the normal trends because the majority of each update is just eaten up by mario, so its a toss up at this point what will happen imo.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 10:25:44 PM | message detail
NINJA BACKSTAB
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 10:26:00 PM | message detail

From: transience | Posted: 4/9/2009 1:22:41 AM | #424
I love how we're calling trends on a 50 vote lead an hour into the poll. at least let the night vote play out before saying anything concrete because the early vote is always weird and unlike anything else.


The stats topic has been doing this for years and years. I beg and plead not to call matches, but no one listens :'(

Superstitious selfish reasons above all else, really. Slowflake would always call matches early in favor of what I had in my bracket, then the opposite would happen almost every single time. I loved the guy, but he could be super annoying sometimes, especially with that massive Wind Waker > SSBM argument he started. If he were still here, I'd never let him hear the end of that one.
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ff6man | Posted 4/8/2009 10:26:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, these trends are crazy, I'm going to bed methinks. Hopefully I wake up to Duck Hunt not too far behind.
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/8/2009 10:26:38 PM | message detail
*mashes butt-*

Crap.

*shoots buffal-*

Crap.

...


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*shoots clay pigeons*
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/8/2009 10:27:34 PM | message detail
Calling it.

Wind Waker will beat Melee, and Slowflake will return just to rub it in Ulti's face.
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transience | Posted 4/8/2009 10:27:42 PM | message detail
Zelda won't be able to dominate like Mario 1 is. Contra > Ninja Gaiden, Metroid > Duck Hunt (and probably Mega Man 2? though it'll be SFFed but still), Dragon Warrior 3 > Galaga. but if Zelda brings 60%, I'd say it's looking good.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/8/2009 10:28:42 PM | message detail
Ninja Gaiden just threw a knife in Duck Hunt with that last update.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 10:29:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, putting an end to his 'Ryu Hayabusa is a Europe god' nonsense.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3262&region=EUR
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3296&region=EUR

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285&region=EUR


Ryu H only dominated Europe against Zero because Zero's Europe vote is horrendous.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 10:29:50 PM | message detail

From: WarThaHedgehog | Posted: 4/9/2009 1:27:34 AM | #437
Calling it.

Wind Waker will beat Melee, and Slowflake will return just to rub it in Ulti's face.


If Wind Waker ever beat Melee in a poll, I might kill myself. Not a world I want to live in.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 10:30:56 PM | message detail
internet popularity polls are srs business
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/8/2009 10:31:35 PM | message detail
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creativename | Posted 4/8/2009 10:33:00 PM | message detail
All this trend discussion...and yet I think neither game will have big trends in this match. Just somewhat minor ones.

That would be on par with Castlevania winning the day vote against Halo -- trends so obvious that they wrap around and turn ass-backwards.

Didn't Halo actually improve during the day in that match though? So trend-wise it did go like expected if that was so, it just wasn't close enough in strength to Castlevania.

Zelda won't be able to dominate like Mario 1 is. Contra > Ninja Gaiden, Metroid > Duck Hunt (and probably Mega Man 2? though it'll be SFFed but still), Dragon Warrior 3 > Galaga. but if Zelda brings 60%, I'd say it's looking good.

60% would be extremely impressive against that pack. Not only are they stronger than these games, but Contra and DW3 should resist SFF better than most NES era games.

Course if it fails to get 60% just watch people say it's a disappointment :)

(actually it might be somewhat far from 60% I think)
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/8/2009 10:34:02 PM | message detail
Up 22
Up 17
Down 34
Up 21
Up 14
Up 7
Up 9

Epic trends of a close match!
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creativename | Posted 4/8/2009 10:34:20 PM | message detail
Slowflake ruled. If there was a Stats Topic Hall of Fame, he could well be a first ballot HoFer!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 10:34:24 PM | message detail
...Surprise DWIII second-place tomorrow!

(in my dreams)

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 10:35:08 PM | message detail

From: WarThaHedgehog | Posted: 4/9/2009 1:31:35 AM | #443
ibSmartMuffincheeringforWindWaker


XD, DMuffin could never figure out something so complex.

Well complex for him, anyway.
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/8/2009 10:35:30 PM | message detail
Surprise mass amounts of DW whining tomorrow!

(not a surprise)
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/8/2009 10:39:28 PM | message detail
Contra got 61% on Phantasy Star and 30% on Final Fantasy. There's room for Dragon Quest III in there with Zelda 1 eating up all the apathy votes and killing Metroid!
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