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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 668

UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:46:47 PM | message detail
Mario to break at least 75% tomorrow!



~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/8/2009 2:52:52 PM | message detail
I'd be surprised if it didn't.
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Weavile | Posted 4/8/2009 2:54:03 PM | message detail
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deadeyedllv | Posted 4/8/2009 3:21:20 PM | message detail
Nobody still thinks Duck Hunt has a chance at second, right?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 3:25:12 PM | message detail
I do.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/8/2009 3:26:08 PM | message detail
Everything has a chance for second.

Even Gala-no nevermind.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 3:29:10 PM | message detail

From: deadeyedllv | #004
Nobody still thinks Duck Hunt has a chance at second, right?


Only if it avoids SMB SFF which is really unlikely at this point.

A question for everyone: do you believe that Space Invaders is a complete dud in this contest? As in, when we all go to discuss the standings at the end of the contest SI will be listed in the bottom 10?

The game was outright killed by Tetris, the latter of which murdered Pong in 2004. Pong isn't doing too bad against Pac-Man SFF right now (better than I would have thought). This is leading me to believe that SI is a dud this year.

Though SI deserves to be in this bracket: this is the game that even Shigeru Miyamoto has said is perfection of game design.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 3:30:31 PM | message detail
Was SI ever considered anything but a dud?
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 3:32:35 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #008
Was SI ever considered anything but a dud?


Yeah, but not to this degree. The game does have quite an influence in game design 30 years later. I mentioned Miyamoto because even the undisputed God in video game history looks up to it.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 6:06:44 PM | message detail
Unexpected 500 post.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 6:14:35 PM | message detail
An on-topic 500th post? Unheard of!
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 6:15:42 PM | message detail
Har: Oh, so you think Metroid and LTTP could also beat Sonic up the way Mario did. I guess that makes sense.

Just wanted to mention that I don't think SM/LoZ:LttP will really SFF Sonic 3 since I don't think SMW crushed Sonic 2 particularly bad...but if SMW did SFF Sonic 2, then SM/LoZ:LttP aren't going to be favorable for Sonic 3 either. Whichever happens, Doom is still going to stand out against LoZ:LttP/SM/S3.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 6:18:34 PM | message detail
No way does Super Mario Bros. get 75% against DH/Galaga/NG.

I'd say somewhere around 60%.

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Master Moltar | Posted 4/8/2009 6:18:55 PM | message detail
Division 1: Round 1 - Match 3 – Duck Hunt vs. Galaga vs. Ninja Gaiden vs. Super Mario Bros.

Moltar’s Analysis

Duck Hunt
2004 Results: Lost in Round 1 against Donkey Kong

hey say ‘duck hunt’ really fast

Galaga
2004 Results: Lost in Round 1 against Tetris

GalAUGHga

Ninja Gaiden
2004 Results: N/A

Yes, the game existed before the Xbox version.

Super Mario Bros.
2004 Results: N/A

The game that launched a million (and more) systems

Galaga can get outta here. SMB will rock this fourpack hard, really hard. I mean you thought Tetris beating down weak games was bad. SMB, an even stronger game, is up against games that are even weaker.

The only question in this match is will SMB SFF Duck Hunt enough to allow Ninja Gaiden to take second. This is interesting because SMB and Duck Hunt share a special SFF called Same Cartridge Factor. So, logically, nearly everyone who has played Duck Hunt has played SMB. I mean clearly this is flawless logic.

Still, Ninja Gaiden is going to be damn weak. Only hope it has to do decently is that it gets votes for the current Ninja Gaiden games. I think that even with the SFF that will hit Duck Hunt, it will still be able to take second here. Duck Hunt is just about everywhere in some form, so it’s definitely bigger than just the SMB-cartridge side game some people are making it out to be.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: SMB > Duck Hunt

Moltar’s Prediction is: SMB: 59% - Duck Hunt: 18% - Ninja Gaiden: 14% - Galaga: 9%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

How about that Mega Man bomb yesterday? Whoops!

Today's match should be a bit easier to predict. As usual, SMB1 is going to be the game to destroy everything today, which means it's yet again a fight for second place. I expect that this'll be a recurring theme with this division, at least when you have one or two elite games (aka, Mario and Zelda) against a bunch of fodder. Then again, I was way off with MM2, so who knows.

After the past couple of days, Duck Hunt would probably be the safest way to go -- it's the most well-known game here, outside of SMB. But the fact it's sharing a poll with Mario makes me think there's going to be a brutal SFF beatdown. I expected this to happen with DK, with Tetris taking all of the casual/I don't care votes, but in this case, SMB1/DH are much more closely related, as in same game pack-in related.

Now, Ninja Gaiden is no powerhouse by any means. Any poll with Ninja Gaiden in it tends to be absymal at best, but I think it can eek out the meager percentage it would need to advance. It wouldn't surprise me if it couldn't, considering that needing a small percentage also means that Duck Hunt doesn't need much either.

I'm not too sure, if you couldn't tell! This all depends on how much SMB1 wrecks this poll, and if it affects Duck Hunt significantly. If it does, Ninja Gaiden should move on. If it doesn't, Duck Hunt probably takes it. I'll side with the ninja for standing out and being the better game!

(damn you old games)

Super Mario Bros. -- 70%
Ninja Gaiden -- 13%
Duck Hunt -- 10%
Galaga -- 7%

Bracket: Super Mario Bros. > Ninja Gaiden
Favorites: Super Mario Bros. > Ninja Gaiden



Lopen’s Analysis

Just a duck... get out of here!

Man, I'd hate to start another write up with a word I've been using a bit too much lately (especially since said logic failed at least once!) but... uhhh. This match is all about people and their apa-- not caring, while Mario moshes the enemies in the most brutal fashion. Well, sort of. I kinda hope some people like Duck Hunt... I mean come on, it came with the system, massive playrate, so it's bound to draw votes in droves. What other game can say “I was packaged with the NES!” ... ... oh.
Master Moltar | Posted 4/8/2009 6:19:10 PM | message detail
Well, then there's Space Invaders, and it's come back for another beating this time saying its name in its native tongue. A Galagian is a Space Invader, and I don't expect it to do any better.

That leaves Ninja Gaiden. Some might say that DK beating Tyson two days ago makes Duck Hunt look better here? Quite the opposite! No one likes Donkey Kong, and so it won by pure name recognition. Ninja Gaiden will do the same here, but will do it in an even bigger way because it's actually a decent game (I'm sorry DK I'm mean).

But really, Ninja Gaiden is the only currently relevant franchise (aside from Mario obviously) in this group, and it has tons of “new school cred.” That makes it all the more likely to get name voted here. Heck, some might even mistake it for the amazing X-Box game! Hell, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Bacon provide us with the X-Box cover art out of laziness! ... okay, maybe not.

Lopen's prediction:
Super Mario Brothers – 70.12% (hail the almighty grandfather)
Ninja Gaiden – 15.12%
Duck Hunt – 10.03%
Galaga – 4.73%



Transience’s Analysis

Holy god, Mega Man 2 bombed. Five years of hype for one huge egg. Metroid put up 68% on Pac-Man in 2004; Mega Man lost updates regularly to Pac-Man throughout the day. It's kind of sad, but at the same time it's really interesting - Mega Man just doesn't have the same kind of pull that modern series' do: Mario, Metroid, Resident Evil, etc. MM2/Tetris looks to be advantage Tetris next round.

Tonight's match is just difficult to gauge. I think you can look at it one of two ways:

1.) SMB and Duck Hunt are not only both Nintendo, they're on the same damn cartridge - this is going to kill Duck Hunt;
2.) Being packed in with SMB is actually a good thing, because it means most everyone has played it, far more than Ninja Gaiden

I actually like option 2 here. Same cartridge or not, Duck Hunt is just nothing like Mario 1. It's got massive nostalgia for a lot of people. It's probably not that strong, but at least it's well-known today; you can only say that about a handful of NES games and Ninja Gaiden is not one of them.

The thing that makes me pause is that Ninja Gaiden is still relevant today. Hell, the game has the same name as the Xbox game that's pretty well-liked and it's got Ryu on the cover. Xbox NG has bombed in polls for years, but at least it actually is notable enough to get into polls; you won't be seeing any Duck Hunt polls anytime soon. Ryu Hayabusa also went and beat Zero last year. He's a pretty popular character. If Ninja Gaiden carries over some votes from the Xbox game, it will probably win. I'm not going to back it but I'm definitely worried about it.

The last game is Galaga. It's by far the most independent game and is probably a lock for that 10% that Space Invaders and Pong have been getting. If it goes much above that, it could win; the same goes for if SMB1 goes and puts up some huge percentage. I don't see this happening but I wouldn't say it's out of the question.

The Dog laughs at you
Ninja Gaiden birds kill you
bring on better games

transience's prediction:

Super Mario Bros. - 51%
Duck Hunt - 19%
Ninja Gaiden - 17%
Galaga - 13%



Leon’s Analysis

Duck Hunt: In the first Games Contest, Duck Hunt was involved in one of the greatest vote swings in contest history against Donkey Kong, though it fell about 150 votes short. This time, the game is put into a difficult position, being placed in the same match as the game it shared a cartridge with on the NES: Super Mario Bros. People say that this will work against Duck Hunt because SMB is much more favored. This may be true, but neither of its two opponents for second place are powerhouses. It may work to its advantage because Duck Hunt’s playability will be much higher. It can definitely take second place here because it doesn’t need a large percentage to advance.
Master Moltar | Posted 4/8/2009 6:19:58 PM | message detail
Galaga: Honestly, I’ve never played Galaga, so I don’t know what it’s all about or how popular it really was back in the day. All I know is that it got nearly quadrupled by Tetris, which isn’t a good sign. There’s no doubt that Super Mario Bros. will flatten like a pancake as well. I just can’t see it advancing here.

Ninja Gaiden: I’ve seen several people say Ninja Gaiden will take second place because Duck Hunt’s going to get same cartridge SFF’d and the game will get franchise votes, which may be worth something because Hayabusa is decently popular. I must disagree. Super Mario Bros. is going to affect ANYTHING that appeared on the NES because EVERYONE who owned an NES played it. Ninja Gaiden is no exception. Besides, I think a great deal of Hayabusa’s popularity comes from his design, which may explain why he was so weak in 2004 (when he had the Arabusa design and not his traditional ninja garb) and why Solid Snake can flatten the guy with LFF two years running. Plus, look at any poll involving Ninja Gaiden on this site. They hardly inspire you with confidence in its strength.

Super Mario Bros.: Ah, the video game that saved the industry. There’s absolutely no way Super Mario Bros. doesn’t destroy every game in this poll, and I’ll be shocked if it doesn’t get at least 50% of the vote. This could be the blowout of the contest. Only Mario 3’s really got a shot to outdo it here. This match is basically a warm-up and a test gauge to compare it to the Legend of Zelda for their match later on in the contest.

Leonhart’s Vote: Duck Hunt, in memory of the Light Zapper.

Leonhart’s Prediction:

Duck Hunt – 18.13%
Galaga – 9.35%
Ninja Gaiden – 14.65%
Super Mario Bros. – 57.87%



Ed Bellis’s Analysis

Quite the perplexing little match we have here… OR IS IT.

Duck Hunt. ZAP ZAP ZAP. In 2004 Duck Hunt had a legendary scuffle with Donkey Kong in which the former managed to almost pull off one of the biggest comebacks in contest history. In last year’s character battle, the Duck Hunt Dog showed it had some semblance of strength and wasn’t complete fodder. So why aren’t I taking Duck Hunt for second here? Because, as has been stated previously (by *shudder* Albion, I think) it will suffer the worst kind of SFF imaginable: same-cartridge SFF.

Galaga. Another returning piece of fodder, Galaga lost miserably to Tetris in 2004 and I don’t expect it to do much better here, against games that are presumably equal to or stronger than Tetris. Galaga’s another game that everybody knows, but few care about.

Ninja Gaiden. This ain’t the Xbox version – the original game with punishing difficulty makes its contest debut. The franchise has stayed in popularity thanks to recent games, and as the original Final Fantasy has taught us, franchise voting is definitely a factor in games contests.

Super Mario Bros. Arguably the most famous game in the contest next to Pac-Man and Tetris, what the original SMB has going for it is, unlike these games, it’s probably pretty strong. It remains untested and could very well be weaker than Zelda 1, but given how even today Super Mario Bros. is still played and is still considered relevant by modern standards, that’s unlikely.

So what happens here? SMB1 takes first, that’s a given. Duck Hunt might get second in another match, but here it’s up against the game that came packaged with it. That’s a pretty awful matchup, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it took last place here. Ninja Gaiden should snag second place thanks to SFF and overall popularity.

Prediction: Ryu Hayabusa will overcome his fear of birds.
Duck Hunt with 17.17%
Galaga with 13.14%
Ninja Gaiden with 20.77%
Super Mario Bros. with 48.92%
Master Moltar | Posted 4/8/2009 6:20:11 PM | message detail
Guest’s Analysis - SuperAngelo128

Alright this is my first time writing an Analysis thingy for a any Contest. I hope it doesn’t suck too bad.

Anyway we have 4 games that I’m pretty familiar with: Duck Hunt, Ninja Gaiden, Galaga

First of all, Super Mario Bros. is obviously gonna get first. I mean it’s a game that everyone should be familiar with, and it has MARIO in the title. I’d say it wins with 70-75%

Choosing a second place is much trickier. I personally think that they all have a pretty good chance of nailing second.

However I have to give second to Ninja Gaiden. Some people might dismiss the whole “hey this game was also on the 360” thing, but I still think that is enough to get over the other 2. Plus there is a decent fanbase who love the difficulty of the NES version Duck Hunt, which’ll probably get SFFd by Mario, and Galaga which I don’t think is too popular.

Super Mario Bros- 71.07%
Ninja Gaiden- 15.16%
Galaga- 7.51%
Duck Hunt- 6.26%



Crew Consensus: SMB > Ninja Gaiden is barely the majority. Moltar, Tran and Leon think Dunk Hunt takes second.
XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 6:21:51 PM | message detail
Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! Vs. Ninja Gaiden

Who would win?
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trannyscience | Posted 4/8/2009 6:22:49 PM | message detail
Punch-Out if the Xbox game doesn't help. if it does, Ninja Gaiden.

damn you same title
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 6:23:09 PM | message detail
Ninja Gaiden because GameFAQs is racist.

Super Punch-Out on the other hand...

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 6:24:39 PM | message detail
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/8/2009 6:30:35 PM | message detail
I think Leon brings up a good point - sure, everyone who's played Duck Hunt has played SMB1 as well, but you can say the same for any NES game. Everyone who's played Ninja Gaiden has played SMB1 as well.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 6:33:23 PM | message detail
Yeah, I've thought that for a bunch of matchups.
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 6:36:03 PM | message detail
Well, yeah, but the people who played Ninja Gaiden are probably more likely to prefer it over SMB1 than they are Duck Hunt.

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 4/8/2009 6:37:12 PM | message detail
the BIRDS
Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 6:38:29 PM | message detail
GO GALAGA!

Even my grandma knows Galaga.

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trannyscience | Posted 4/8/2009 6:41:14 PM | message detail
Ninja Gaiden is closer in style to Mario 1 than Duck Hunt is too. I dare you to find me a person that has played Ninja Gaiden and not Mario 1.
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Megaman703 | Posted 4/8/2009 6:42:56 PM | message detail
There's something about Galaga, I don't think it has the same old-school charm of say Pong or Donkey Kong. It's more on the level of recognition as Sinstar or Defender, I think.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/8/2009 6:46:17 PM | message detail
I gotta say Duck Hunt has the pic advantage!

I hope Ulti's first post is a joke, cause that's just insane :P
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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 6:47:06 PM | message detail
Galaga is definitely closer to Pong and Donkey Kong than Sinstar and Defender. It's the classic space shooter. Not even close. Not saying it has much strength, but it would murder the latter two.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/8/2009 6:47:11 PM | message detail
...so why does everyone think Duck Hunt's getting SFF'd to hell again? I figured majority of the Gurus/BOP predicted SMB > Duck Hunt
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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 6:49:02 PM | message detail
I'm surprised nobody has brought up the "SMB destroys everything, Duck Hunt joke votes pull it through" argument! It's a possibility!
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redrocket | Posted 4/8/2009 6:49:31 PM | message detail
..so why does everyone think Duck Hunt's getting SFF'd to hell again?

Cartridge SFF

This is unprecedented.

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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 6:50:22 PM | message detail
Who knows with these games

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 6:50:42 PM | message detail
I feel sorry for any Ninja Gaiden takers.

If you lose, guess who rubs it in your face for 24 hours?

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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/8/2009 6:53:01 PM | message detail
Original Gaiden strength is pretty much untested if I recall right. Uhh Galaga didn't do that great in the original Games Contest did it?
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/8/2009 6:54:14 PM | message detail
Hey are there any Guest spots left for any matches?
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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 6:58:58 PM | message detail
And really, this "cartridge SFF" is a bit ridiculous. Who hasn't played SMB? If anything, the attach rate of Duck Hunt to SMB helps it. At the very least it means nothing in terms of Duck Hunt vs. Ninja Gaiden.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 7:05:40 PM | message detail
Galaga got SFF by Tetris. We don't have a really good gauge on Galaga.

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trannyscience | Posted 4/8/2009 7:06:31 PM | message detail
cartridge SFF, arcade SFF, Nintendo SFF

when does it stop?
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/8/2009 7:07:02 PM | message detail
Kudos on Oregon Trail for a fine performance today!
RPGuy96 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:08:38 PM | message detail
"Man" LFF is clearly why Mega Man 2 is performing badly today; see Mega Man/Ms. Pac-Man for a clear example of Man SFF. Two examples, it's irrefutable!
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 7:10:01 PM | message detail
Mega Man 2 is performing sub-par because of Nerdy Old Man pic.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:10:52 PM | message detail
I'd be more sympathetic about MM2's awful pic if Pac-Man didn't also have a terrible pic.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 7:12:06 PM | message detail
MM2's is worst. Atleast the Pac-Man ghost is recognizable.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:12:17 PM | message detail
From: trannyscience | #040
cartridge SFF, arcade SFF, Nintendo SFF

when does it stop?


Mid-90s SFF presumably.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 4/8/2009 7:14:49 PM | message detail
We need German Mega Man techno intro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4bxJOH-P3Y
Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 7:15:43 PM | message detail
Plus I think Oregon Trail stole a little bit of MM2's thunder.

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FFVII / Super Mario Bros. 3 / LoZ: Ocarina of Time / Metal Gear Solid
HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 7:23:43 PM | message detail
I wish I had Duck Hunt at this point...but as-is, I've still got NG advancing. The logic for DH is sound enough and it almost beat DK last time -- that'd be plenty better than NG can do, and it'll have to be killer SFF for DH not to advance...

...but now another concern comes up: does SMB ever get a fair shot against LoZ if DH advances? It's not like DH or MM2 are big hindrances, but for a close match like they'll probably have, that could be enough to feature LoZ > SMB in R2 and R3 until SMB3 wrecks SMB for good.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:25:06 PM | message detail
Oregon trail having good second night vote, it looks similiar to its first by actually cutting pac quite a bit
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