GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 667
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:36:51 PM | message detail |
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I also don't like that they SFF'd just because they were rivals in
the market, especially for the number of differences they had. Mario and Sonic are linked together at the hip. Nintendo > Sega on this site (big time), so people who vote in Mario/Sonic matches will side with "their guy", being Mario. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 2:39:23 PM | message detail |
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| HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 2:40:37 PM | message detail |
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I don't believe that to be true for their games, and
character-comparisons on the issue are weird. Seeing Sonic's characters
go down in recent years doesn't convince me to put much extra stock
into his games since then, either. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:41:00 PM | message detail |
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Let me look at the bracket here. Sonic 3/Super Metroid/Super Mario Kart is interesting, but Metroid and Mario can leech each other there. I don't see how Sonic 3 and Super Metroid don't advance, regardless of the order. Personally I don't trust Metroid against any Nintendo games, so I have Sonic 3 > Super Metroid. And we're all in agreement that LTTP and Doom will get through its match, right? So this sets up LTTP, Doom, Sonic 3 and Super Metroid. We've already seen LTTP vs Super Metroid once, so second place here is 100% dependent on whether or not Super Mario World vs Sonic 2 was legit. Doom and Sonic 2 are equal in the unadjusted 2004 stats, if you recall. I think Sonic 2 >= 3 is reasonable, right? So if Mario World SFFd Sonic 2, which I believe it did, Sonic 3 pretty much has a bye into Round 3. Which bring us to the bottom half of this division. This is a really old poll, but: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=580 Basically, Sonic 3 is only stronger than two if you're Leonhart4 and lump Sonic 3 & Knuckles together. Either way, 2 >= 3 is my best guess. FF3 and MMX/LA are a lock in that one match, and Sonic 2 and MK2/SoM are a lock in the other. The only way Sonic 2 isn't getting to Round 3 is if it loses to Link's Awakening, because no other debatable game there is going to beat it. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 2:41:59 PM | message detail |
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I have the same things as Lucid. The biggest threat to a Sonic game
right now (not including games out of its league obviously) is whether
or not Link's Awakening has any strength. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:42:11 PM | message detail |
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HaRRicH Posted 4/8/2009 4:27:59 PM message detail filter | quote #357 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197 It's fun to ridicule this poll for FF3/6 bombing or EB excelling, but I think the best stuff you can take from here is that MMX failed in a situation where MMX easily stands out the most. There are six RPGs there, and MMX barely takes fourth? There are two Nintendo games, neither of which should be power-houses, and MMX can't beat either of them? MMX is the only platformer there and is from the most popular Mega Man series, so it should have done better. It looks all the worse with today's poll going on and MM9 not impressing in the GotY-polls (though being a downloadable game affected it, too). I'll wait and give MM3 a chance first, though I'm convinced MM2 > MM3 right now. Things are NOT looking good for Mega Man's games, and MMX is going to be in a bad situation against a LoZ-game, even if it's a handheld...especially considering this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2441 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1778 Best of luck, Blue Bomber. God ****ing DAMN IT, stop bringing up that poll. I've already completely debunked ANY possible useful information you could get from it by pointing it that the poll's wording means that any games with many ports/versions are going to job, and MMX probably has the most out of all of those games. You're not going to want Mega Man X or Final Fantasy 6 on the VC because most people already own at least one copy of the game, as opposed to something like Earthbound which hasn't seen the light of day since the SNES. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/8/2009 2:44:14 PM | message detail |
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Who's the favorite for 2nd place tomorrow, Gaiden? --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:44:39 PM | message detail |
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted: 4/8/2009 5:42:11 PM | #406 You mean the VC poll that Chrono Trigger won? On a related note, check out how awesome EarthBound did in this awesome poll I found! http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197 Yoshi's Island better watch out. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:44:57 PM | message detail |
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If Mega Man X can beat Link's Awakening, it can beat Sonic 2. And what's this MK2/SoM? You honestly expect that piece of crap "game" to advance? It's probably the weakest game in the division aside from Streets of Rage 2 --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:45:20 PM | message detail |
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From: ImplicitContent | Posted: 4/8/2009 5:44:14 PM | #407 Mario will murder the poll so badly that any of the other three games can win. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:45:24 PM | message detail |
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YOU LEAVE STREETS OF RAGE 2 OUT OF THIS! --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:46:00 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man X wouldn't have a prayer against Sonic 2. I'd bet my account on it, but you're a welcher. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:46:04 PM | message detail |
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Chrono Trigger poll was before the DS remake. CT was in the same boat
as Earthbound in that it hadn't been seen since the SNES, and it wasn't
even released in Europe. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:47:41 PM | message detail |
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I can't see how Ninja Gaiden doesn't win tomorrow. Aside from the hilarious SAME CARTRIDGE SFF, I'd expect NG to be close enough to Duck Hunt anyways. Add in the fact that the series got a really popular, really critically acclaimed reboot with the same name a couple of years ago and it seems like a no-brainer to me. Didn't the original 3 Ninja Gaidens come on the Ninja Gaiden Black disk? --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 2:48:01 PM | message detail |
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Right, but if SMW killed Sonic 2, then SM and LoZ:LttP aren't going to
do Sonic 3 any favors while Doom is by its lonesome. Sonic 2's got the
better chance, I agree, but MK2 should be a tougher opponent than Doom
based on FF3/6 in 2004 and this poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1789 That should mean Sonic 2 will need that much more SFF from 2004 (however much it was) to overcome it. Then, of course, there's LoZ:LA too if MK2 isn't enough. I'll give Sonic 2 like a 33%-chance, but it's not the favorite; LoZ:LA should be (and I've got MK2 advancing, actually...for some reason or another). I'm also counting on Sonic's stock dropping, too. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/8/2009 2:48:45 PM | message detail |
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Mario will murder the poll so badly that any of the other three games can win. I'd be pretty stunned if Galaga won, but yeah I guess so. I've had Duck Hunt since day 1... well I've had everything since day 1 since I couldn't be bothered to break down the bracket, but I just realized it was considered an upset according to the guru. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:49:51 PM | message detail |
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I don't think there's anything funky with SMW/Sonic 2, or at least to
any significant degree. You were either a Nintendo kid or a Genesis
kid. Only the rich spoiled brats had both. Besides that, we have no
evidence of Sonic getting SFF'd by Nintendo in the past (quite the
opposite given Shadow/Mario). --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 4/8/2009 2:50:34 PM | message detail |
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You honestly expect that piece of crap "game" to advance? It's
probably the weakest game in the division aside from Streets of Rage 2 Yeah, I don't see how the hell Mortal Kombat 2 even got in this contest when the contest is called: Best game ever. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. FastFalcon05 > Me |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:52:11 PM | message detail |
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Aside from the hilarious SAME CARTRIDGE SFF, I'd expect NG to be
close enough to Duck Hunt anyways. Add in the fact that the series got
a really popular, really critically acclaimed reboot with the same name
a couple of years ago and it seems like a no-brainer to me. Same cartridge SFF is the biggest myth of this contest. Also, Ninja Gaiden is not popular on this site at all. This Ninja Gaiden fanbase won't do much here because there really isn't a fanbase. The Dog from Duck Hunt would probably beat Ninja Gaiden here. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:52:24 PM | message detail |
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Obvious trolling attempt aside, I was referring to Secret of Dogcrap --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 2:53:03 PM | message detail |
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BT, argue the poll is debunked if you want, but MM2's bombing today and
MM3 probably will too. We saw MM9 in the GotY-polls as well. MM's no
longer Capcom's top series here, either. Are you that mad that MMX
falls in line with what we're seeing according to that poll? Besides,
its remake was the MMX-collection, which I don't think ended up selling
well at all. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 4/8/2009 2:54:33 PM | message detail |
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I love how you call me a troll an then insult one of the best games on the SNES ^_^ --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. FastFalcon05 > Me |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:54:39 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I hate gloating (....yeah that's a lie) but I don't honestly see
what people expected of old, individual Mega Man games. I mean I have
no data to back myself up barring today, but did people really think
Mega Man 2/3 would elite NES games? I'm not trying to make fun of
anyone, I'm really curious. It makes no sense to me. I figured NES hierarchy went Mario 3 > Zelda > Mario > Final Fantasy > Mega Man 2 > the rest Which is still possible I guess. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:55:41 PM | message detail |
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BT, argue the poll is debunked if you want, but MM2's bombing today
and MM3 probably will too. We saw MM9 in the GotY-polls as well. MM's
no longer Capcom's top series here, either. Are you that mad that MMX
falls in line with what we're seeing according to that poll? Besides,
its remake was the MMX-collection, which I don't think ended up selling
well at all. Sold as well as any of the other remakes other games on that list have gotten, plus there's Maverick Hunter X which came out fairly recently. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/8/2009 2:55:51 PM | message detail |
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The only way Ninja Gaiden places 2nd tomorrow is if people thinking
they're voting for the xbox version... which is plenty possible. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 2:56:47 PM | message detail |
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Or if they liked the X-Box version and want to support the franchise. Or if they played the NES version on the X-Box version. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:56:57 PM | message detail |
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The only way Ninja Gaiden places 2nd tomorrow is if people thinking
they're voting for the xbox version... which is plenty possible. Except the picture won't be recognizable at all, and those people would still have to avoid picking two of the most popular NES games of all time. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 2:58:50 PM | message detail |
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It won't be recognizeable? The box art has Ryu Hayabusa on the front itself. And yeah, SMB is popular, but being popular doesn't mean you won't vote something over it. Ryu himself would get at least 25% on Mario. That's more than enough "I like Ryu who cares" votes to get by if needed. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: MM2 > Pac-Man - Points: 2/4 Vote: MM2 |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/8/2009 3:00:29 PM | message detail |
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Picture doesn't matter at all. Unless you really think MM2 isn't
getting votes today because of it's picture (which is pretty dumb,
imo). It's still going to say "Ninja Gaiden" and there will be people
who played it on the xbox and have no clue of a NES version who will
vote for it. It's not like Duck Hunt is some powerhouse, or that it's
not going to get blasted into oblivion by SMB. Thinking DH is
guaranteed victory over NG is pretty dumb. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 3:03:17 PM | message detail |
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When it comes to two games that just about every gamer has played Vs. a
franchise game, it's hard to side with a franchise game. I can't see NG
placing in second here, but who knows. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 3:03:35 PM | message detail |
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Har: Oh, so you think Metroid and LTTP could also beat Sonic up the way Mario did. I guess that makes sense. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 3:05:47 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #430 It's pretty easy, actually. Tell me how many games you'd take here to place over both Duck Hunt and Galaga? What's one series you WOULDN'T place second? --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: MM2 > Pac-Man - Points: 2/4 Vote: MM2 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 3:08:54 PM | message detail |
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I meant weak franchises >_< Of course FF would beat Duck Hunt. NG doesn't have that big of a fanbase here. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 3:13:16 PM | message detail |
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Ninja Gaiden doesn't have that big of a fanbase, I agree. Ryu Hayabusa is a different story though, and since he depends on his appeal and pictures so much, perhaps the only reason NG even performs terribly is because there are no match pics in those polls. We will find out tomorrow. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: MM2 > Pac-Man - Points: 2/4 Vote: MM2 |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 4/8/2009 3:13:23 PM | message detail |
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So lets say the divsion final is Lttp/Sonic 3/FF3/Sonic 2 Which Sonic games gets more votes? Personally I think Sonic 2 is more popular, but Sonic 3 got a more loyal fanbase. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. FastFalcon05 > Me |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 3:26:09 PM | message detail |
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From: Zylo the wolf | #435 I would have to give it to Sonic 3, it's considered the best in the Sonic series by the vast majority of the fanbase (Sonic 2 is popular, but Sonic 3 is the one they would pick over it). I can see that one edging ahead of 2. It would be close, though. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 3:26:33 PM | message detail |
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Yes, I'm aware S3&K is considered the ultimate Sonic game: but it's not in this poll so let's ignore it for a bit. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 3:29:13 PM | message detail |
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I would have to give it to Sonic 3, it's considered the best in the Sonic series by the vast majority of the fanbase (Sonic 2 is popular, but Sonic 3 is the one they would pick over it). I can see that one edging ahead of 2. What? Sonic 2 is the most popular Sonic game. Where'd you get that idea? --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 3:34:35 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #438 S3&K is the one I always heard when it came to the best Sonic game, personally. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 4/8/2009 3:36:12 PM | message detail |
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Here's another thought from Zylo. Are we sure that both Smb3 and SMW can't advance from it's division? I mean all the other games are really, really weak when you compare them to these two giants. Personally I think we are all overestimating FFIV (It's an awesome game, but most of gamefaqs doesn't understand that.) SF2 lost to SMRPG so SMW and SMB3 shouldn't have any trouble to beat it and Sonic 1 shouldn't be able to do well when the poll is about three platformers and one RPG. --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. FastFalcon05 > Me |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 3:41:21 PM | message detail |
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From: Zylo the wolf | #440 It's more the casual voting public that visit the main site don't understand that, if this were a strictly GameFAQs poll then FF4 has a big advantage. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| ImplicitContent | Posted 4/8/2009 3:43:16 PM | message detail |
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Any Final Fantasy with a number attached on the end is going to do well
on this site. After 6,7,8 and 10 it has a great shot at being the next
best one. Even if it's not it's still going to be plenty strong. --- all hail ec your lord and savior |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 3:43:57 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Tactics over 4 any day --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 3:44:25 PM | message detail |
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And there's a pretty big jump in strength from the ones you listed and 4's likely position. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 3:44:27 PM | message detail |
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #443 As would I, but we're talking the main series here. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 3:52:26 PM | message detail |
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I have both SMB3 and SMW advancing, but we have already proven that two
stronger characters leeching off of each other can still allow a weaker
character to get through easily (Bowser/Luigi/Liquid). The same thing
probably might happen here. --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 3:58:31 PM | message detail |
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Two entities from the same company advancing isn't some impossible dream, you know. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Devil May Cry |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 4:02:24 PM | message detail |
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If FF4 is worth anything, it shouldn't have trouble. It needs to be worth something first. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Big Bob | Posted 4/8/2009 4:06:37 PM | message detail |
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I've got FFIV making it to the final 8, personally. Not that the game
is particularly strong, but it gets a lot of really convenient matches
in my bracket. --- Just say the word and it's bear time! http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=big_bob |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 4:11:09 PM | message detail |
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From: Big Bob | #449 I have it in the Sweet 16 and I agree it has a lot of convenient matches up to that point. But it is against SM3/SMB1/Zelda1 in my bracket (even if Tetris gets that far, it doesn't help FF4 at all). If it were two strong Nintendo games then FF4 would be screwed but three means that one could very well have votes leeched by the other two allowing them to edge ahead of FF4. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
