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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 667

SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 1:11:50 PM | message detail

From: Mac Arrowny | #348
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197

Heh, SMK > MMX there.


MMX > FF6 confirmed!
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 1:17:06 PM | message detail
I'm cool with Gunstar being in the match; it was great fun and we've got the majority of the heavy-hitters from that era in anyway. That said...yeah, it'll get destroyed SO badly.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/8/2009 1:20:38 PM | message detail
Then again, I haven't played Gunstar Heroes, so sue me.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 1:21:11 PM | message detail
Gunstar Heroes is amazing fun.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/8/2009 1:23:27 PM | message detail
And you guys have a point; there really isn't anything that could've replaced it.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 1:24:34 PM | message detail
gunstar heroes is the best 2D sidescrolling shooter of all time imho
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 1:27:59 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197

It's fun to ridicule this poll for FF3/6 bombing or EB excelling, but I think the best stuff you can take from here is that MMX failed in a situation where MMX easily stands out the most. There are six RPGs there, and MMX barely takes fourth? There are two Nintendo games, neither of which should be power-houses, and MMX can't beat either of them? MMX is the only platformer there and is from the most popular Mega Man series, so it should have done better. It looks all the worse with today's poll going on and MM9 not impressing in the GotY-polls (though being a downloadable game affected it, too).

I'll wait and give MM3 a chance first, though I'm convinced MM2 > MM3 right now. Things are NOT looking good for Mega Man's games, and MMX is going to be in a bad situation against a LoZ-game, even if it's a handheld...especially considering this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2441
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1778


Best of luck, Blue Bomber.
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MudkipMaster30 | Posted 4/8/2009 1:28:54 PM | message detail
Two right in a row! Of course, these are the easy rounds....
SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 1:30:00 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #354
Gunstar Heroes is amazing fun.


It is, it was the first VC title I bought on the Wii. But it is like Monkey Island, so very cultish on this site it doesn't stand a chance.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 1:30:27 PM | message detail
Eh, I hate gloating (....yeah that's a lie) but I don't honestly see what people expected of old, individual Mega Man games. I mean I have no data to back myself up barring today, but did people really think Mega Man 2/3 would elite NES games? I'm not trying to make fun of anyone, I'm really curious. It makes no sense to me.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 1:31:26 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #360
Eh, I hate gloating (....yeah that's a lie) but I don't honestly see what people expected of old, individual Mega Man games. I mean I have no data to back myself up barring today, but did people really think Mega Man 2/3 would elite NES games? I'm not trying to make fun of anyone, I'm really curious. It makes no sense to me.


Well, it just makes sense it would do well since Mega Man himself is a very strong character... so why wouldn't his games be?
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 1:34:53 PM | message detail
I thought MM2 would be enough to be in the range to compete with Tetris/Metroid, but...well, who knows. This contest is going to turn a LOT of things we thought we knew into inaccurate guesses (and the format will make sure we second-guess the truths for a long time, too).

Tetris is probably the best bet, but I'm waiting.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 1:35:45 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 1:35:55 PM | message detail
Next I'm sure we'll be having RE4 bomb and lose to MGS3.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 1:36:09 PM | message detail
Very few of us thought they were elite. It doesn't take much elite to beat Tetris you'd think.

Mega Man X on the other hand, yeah, I expected that to be elite considering where the hell Zero is.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/8/2009 1:37:24 PM | message detail
Zero ain't elite anymore.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 1:39:45 PM | message detail
He isn't elite, but Zero compared to Protoman has to still mean something. The guy is high-ish mid-carder, so I'd expect X to at least get by a handheld game.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/8/2009 1:39:46 PM | message detail
Zero is no longer elite. He lost to Luigi, then lost to the same Ryu Hayabusa that he defeated 63/37, and proved that those were no fluke by nearly choking to Vivi.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/8/2009 1:40:52 PM | message detail
It all depends on how many people vote for Link's Awakening because it has Zelda in the title.

I'd wager enough.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 1:42:31 PM | message detail

From: The Mana Sword | #369
It all depends on how many people vote for Link's Awakening because it has Zelda in the title.

I'd wager enough.


Zero (2004c) VS Zelda (2005c)

Zero has a strength of 33.96.
Zelda has a strength of 33.71.

Zero wins with 50.37% of the vote!
A win of 702 with 95,418 total votes cast.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 1:50:04 PM | message detail
Who else is perfect so far and has Tetris > MM2 next round? I want to see my competition in this division.

But yes, I agree with Ulti. Mega Man's games will perform worse then Sonic's games since Sonic is much more well known, and look at how strong Sonic's best game is (Sonic 2). Anybody who really thought MM2 would beat Tetris (which already proved it was strong and has all the credentials to be a strong midcarder) is crazy...

or Black Turtle.
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KrahenProphet | Posted 4/8/2009 1:51:18 PM | message detail
Yeah, another problem with using a "want game do you want on VC" poll is that many of the games people want to see on VC are games they never had the chance to try out before. I know plenty of people who would vote Earthbound, including myself, because I've played almost every other game on there except Earthbound. The game is known to be quite rare, and people would love to be able to pay $8 or whatever for it instead of $80, $100, or whatever it is nowadays. A decent number of votes in that poll could be from people who have never played the game, so they wouldn't be voting for it in a contest.

In general this is just a bad poll to extrapolate from for the sake of the contest. You could easily look at this and think, "Wow nobody likes FFVI!" when the real reason could be because there are already 3 forms (I think?) of the game including one that came out fairly recently.

Although I am thinking maybe I should have picked Earthbound over SMW2.
red sox 777 | Posted 4/8/2009 1:56:27 PM | message detail
The ASV isn't moving the percentages very much today, but since it started, Oregon Trail and Pong have moved up a bit, MM2 down, and Pac-Man has stayed at about the same level.

Was Oregon Trail released/popular in Canada? If not, I can envision some really interesting Geolocation results tonight, with Oregon Trail outright winning, or at least giving MM2 a good run in the states (about 67% of the votes yesterday) and getting getting sub-5% everywhere else. MM2 scores in the low-30s in the states and Europe (14%), with the fact of it being much worse in Europe normally being compensated by Oregon Trail being a nonexistent force there, and 50s as we'd expected in Canada, South America, Asia, and Australia (17% together). Pac-Man scores in the low-mid 20s in the states, around 40% in Europe, and around 30% elsewhere.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 1:57:36 PM | message detail

Was Oregon Trail released/popular in Canada?


It was never released here. It was only released in USA.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/8/2009 1:58:01 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2441

Whoa holy ****. This is why I regret not doing more research for this contest. Had I saw that I wouldn't have taken Mega Man X to advance twice. Yikes.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 1:59:33 PM | message detail
MMX is Nintendo. It got SFFed there.

MMX will be just about equal to MM2 here, probably just a bit stronger. I don't know what else is in it's path, but if it hits a stronger Nintendo/Sonic game early, it's done.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:00:27 PM | message detail
Oh, it hits Zelda and FF in the first round?

Yeah, it's gone.
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paulg235 | Posted 4/8/2009 2:03:00 PM | message detail
Who else is perfect so far and has Tetris > MM2 next round?

Me!
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TheOceIot | Posted 4/8/2009 2:04:37 PM | message detail
It was never released here. It was only released in USA.

That's a lie, every computer in my middle school had the game installed.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:07:41 PM | message detail
You sure it was the original game and not the second/third version?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:09:47 PM | message detail
Mega Man X is a beloved game from the SNES era, as well as the strongest MMX game outright. It's not going to just roll over and die.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 4/8/2009 2:10:34 PM | message detail
*checks bracket*

I have FF3/6j > MMX. Wouldn't surprise me if Link's Awakening took second, but I figure it's - undeservedly - one of the weaker Zelda games.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:11:04 PM | message detail
And I'm telling you, all three Sonic Genesis games are being underestimated. Sonic 2 and 3 especially. I will be absolutely stunned if we don't end up seeing Sonic 2 vs Sonic 3 in the third round of this contest.
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Big Bob | Posted 4/8/2009 2:13:20 PM | message detail
Isn't Link's Awakening like, really, really popular? I'd figure it'd be about Wind Waker's level, to be honest.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 2:13:53 PM | message detail
I would take about 7-8 Zelda games over LA.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 2:14:39 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225

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Big Bob | Posted 4/8/2009 2:16:43 PM | message detail
Keep in mind that kind of poll also told us Yoshi > Mario
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/8/2009 2:17:02 PM | message detail
Sonic 2 and 3 are going to flop harder than MM2's flopping today.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/8/2009 2:20:24 PM | message detail
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda

Someone earlier was saying that Link's Awakening sold worse than Phantom Hourglass and Minish Cap, but that's just not true. LA sold better than LttP, TP, and Wind Waker as well.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 4/8/2009 2:25:22 PM | message detail
And I'm telling you, all three Sonic Genesis games are being underestimated. Sonic 2 and 3 especially. I will be absolutely stunned if we don't end up seeing Sonic 2 vs Sonic 3 in the third round of this contest.

I have LTTP > Sonic 3, FF3/6j > Sonic 2, and then LTTP > FF3/6j.

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 2:29:47 PM | message detail
I'll be somewhat-surprised to see any Sonic game get to R3. First, you gotta assume SMW SFF'd Sonic 2, which I'm not big on. Next, you gotta assume Sonic games haven't fallen while Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles have bombed repeatedly in recent years. Then let's look at the bracket:

Sonic 2 -- it would need to outlast an LFF'd SMK, which should be easy enough...but then it has to outlast an SFF'd SM and an independent Doom. Doom will stand out the most, looked better statistically in 2004, and outdid Sonic 2 on the Top 100 List. Sonic 2 can advance, but it should be an uphill battle with SM and LoZ:LttP in the mix.

Sonic 3 -- it would need to outlast SoM, which is reasonable enough...but then it has to outlast MMX/LoZ:LA and MK2. MM(X) is probably a stronger series than Sonic's and is Mega Man's second chance at having a strong game, LoZ:LA will be a respectable entry if not above-average, and MK2 should be putting up a notably better performance than MK1 against FF3/6. Meanwhile, Sonic 3 is probably weaker than Sonic 2 (at best, they're not far apart). Again, Sonic 3 can advance, but it will not be pretty.

We still need to see how Sonic 1 does first, too. It needs to set the tone for the rest of the Sonic games to improve upon, because people will be calling for the Sonic games to go down hard if it doesn't distance itself from Castlevania 3 or get relatively close to SF2. Sonic's case isn't looking so hot when Mega Man's games may not impress though, so...

...I don't feel good about any Sonic game making R3.
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Gaddswell | Posted 4/8/2009 2:29:48 PM | message detail
I've got :
FF6 > LA > MMX,
FF6 > LA > Sonic 2,
Tetris > MM2,
Super Metroid > SMK > Sonic 3
SMW > FF4 > MM3

Underestimating Sonic and Mega Man looks good so far! Knowing me though, it's gonna bite me back down the road.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:29:50 PM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 4/8/2009 5:25:22 PM | #390
And I'm telling you, all three Sonic Genesis games are being underestimated. Sonic 2 and 3 especially. I will be absolutely stunned if we don't end up seeing Sonic 2 vs Sonic 3 in the third round of this contest.

I have LTTP > Sonic 3, FF3/6j > Sonic 2, and then LTTP > FF3/6j.


I mean we'll see Sonic 2 and 3 in that Round 3 match, sorry. Of course LTTP and FF6 will go 1-2 there.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 2:31:11 PM | message detail
I mixed up Sonic 2 and Sonic 3, blah...still don't like its chances.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:31:58 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | Posted: 4/8/2009 5:29:47 PM | #392
I'll be somewhat-surprised to see any Sonic game get to R3. First, you gotta assume SMW SFF'd Sonic 2, which I'm not big on.


I started disagreeing right there. That result is about as legitimate about Final Fantasy 7 vs Metal Gear Solid.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/8/2009 2:32:09 PM | message detail
I'd love for Sonic games to do better than I think they will, but I don't see them doing all that well. Sad because I love Genesis Sonic so much.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 2:32:57 PM | message detail
Excuse you, but I've been the original Knuckles mark in this territory since 2003.

Uh, swirl, you do know this is my alt right? 2003 isn't saying much!
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/8/2009 2:34:15 PM | message detail
Sonic games will be stronger then MM games. That's what I said, and that's all I'm saying about it.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/8/2009 2:35:29 PM | message detail
Except MGS and C:SotN went on to impress in the Top 100 List, whereas SMW and Sonic 2 (even Shining Force) were relatively unimpressive. I also don't like that they SFF'd just because they were rivals in the market, especially for the number of differences they had.
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