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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 667

paulg235 | Posted 4/8/2009 6:25:36 AM | message detail
Just thinking, what would happen if Mega Man got a picture of one of his boxarts (MM1/2/9) for a match against someone like Ryu/Sora/Pikachu? Could we expect a possible upset?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 6:26:18 AM | message detail
Ryu or Sora, possibly.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/8/2009 6:28:35 AM | message detail
Pac-Man's lead is way too big now, but it'd still be great if Oregon Trail somehow won the ASV over it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/8/2009 6:30:08 AM | message detail
Pac-Man has a pretty good day vote himself so I don't think he'll be losing it to OT and if it did just barely.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 6:32:22 AM | message detail
Pac Man will win the day and continue to build its lead by OT should be closer to Pac Mans votes then Pong with NA voting for the majority of the match
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Akaimizu | Posted 4/8/2009 6:35:14 AM | message detail
I really enjoy that they are finding and using the crazy U.S. Box (or Arcade Cabinet side) design for the early Japanese games. Yeah, they kind of look horrid compared to the japanese originals, but they certainly bring about a nostalgia to the whole thing.

You see, back in the 80s, even if the game itself barely represented what it was in graphics, or may have had a completely different yet cuter look to it......It was almost a mandatory western marketing thing to make it look all serious or more like actual people dressed up as these heroes. Of course, much to the dismay of the cover art, that was the goal. It worked better for the Western-made games, of course, since there is nothing to compare to. However, you play a game like Space invaders, but you look at the Western cover, and it looks like a full on War of the Worlds with drawings closer to Heavy Metal than the little blocks that represent the creatures.

Alien Invaders Plus for the Odyssey 2 was even more extreme. A kid could have nightmares with that cover. A ship that has a big gaping mouth and arm tentacles made of snakes, coming to wipe out humanity. A Space Invaders clone that got its claim to fame because that boss Saucer, at the top, wasn't just a target anymore. It came down to get you, while emiting a freakish sound.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 6:48:13 AM | message detail
I almost wonder how close this match would be if it was just pac man vs. mm2, without Pong here sappin' Pacs votes.
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Master Moltar | Posted 4/8/2009 6:51:02 AM | message detail
weird to see everyone still rising thanks to OT's epic collapse. it looks like pong has stopped cutting it for now, but I wonder if it'll start again with the ASV.

Also MM2 still failing
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MM2/Pac-Man/Pong/Oregon Trail - Bracket: MM2 > Pac-Man - Vote: Pac-Man (2/4)
MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 7:00:01 AM | message detail
So what's everybody's opinion on tomorrow's match? I have no idea what to put on the oracle or spreads here.

At the beginning of this contest, I thought a picture of Ryu Hayabusa would save him from this weak pack, now, I'm thinking pics don't really matter and people actually vote... by games.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:01:14 AM | message detail
I'm thinking pics don't really matter and people actually vote... by games.

Todays match doesn't botch that theory?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 7:05:04 AM | message detail
Personally, I don't think Mega Man 2 would be doing any better (at least significantly) if he had his original recognizable face on there. It still says "Mega Man 2."
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:06:34 AM | message detail
thats the whole point of the pic factor. it still says the game or character name in every situation, but the picture can still hurt or help. And I think it would be at least low 40s here if it was megaman, not a middle aged guy in a futuristic suit
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HSGF_2 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:09:10 AM | message detail
SMB around 60% tomorrow and duck hunt and ninja gaiden will be a close match for 2nd. I have ninja gaiden pulling a very slight upset.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/8/2009 7:09:50 AM | message detail
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/8/2009 7:10:23 AM | message detail
I'll give you pictures mattering for a character.

Pictures mattering for a game though just seems stupid. People like characters based on how they look. But I don't think people like games based on their box art
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:11:37 AM | message detail

From: The n00b Avenger | #165
I'll give you pictures mattering for a character.

Pictures mattering for a game though just seems stupid. People like characters based on how they look. But I don't think people like games based on their box art


alot of people who aren't normal contest viewers just will vote if anyone in the pic stands out to them when looking at the site. Nobody is going to recognize that as mega man just by glancing over the pic fast, thus it hurts his vote totals.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 7:14:42 AM | message detail
I do not deny that it can happen, but can it happen on a widescale to affect the match significantly?

My favorite game is Paper Mario, and if I saw "Paper Mario" in both the voting options and a picture of its japanese box art (I haven't even seen it), I'd vote Paper Mario regardless.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 7:15:00 AM | message detail
Oh, and this is coming from when I actually first voted in these contests. I never voted on games through pics.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/8/2009 7:16:32 AM | message detail
Uh, you're going to look at the words when you vote. The only time picture might matter is in a case where none of the options are really known to the voter. Which would definitely be rare in a case like this, especially in 4 ways when you have 4 options. And definitely not in a poll with famous names like Pac-Man and Megaman, and Pong.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:16:42 AM | message detail
Obviously people who have MM2 as their favorite game are going to recognize the pic as Mega Man and vote.

But most of these matches, especially earlier ones, are just about franchise voting or whatever you know the most, and alot of the votes were expected to go to Mega Man due to apathy for the other choices, and those people might not notice Mega Man in the pic unless they bother checking the poll options.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:17:30 AM | message detail
Uh, you're going to look at the words when you vote.

Theres a reason unknown game matches get less votals. People just glance over the pic first and if they dont recognize anything, they don't care enough to vote. So they wouldn't bel ooking at the voting options if they don't care enough.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 7:17:43 AM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #170
and those people might not notice Mega Man in the pic unless they bother checking the poll options.


You're really underestimating their intelligence, then. I don't think voters are that dumb.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:18:36 AM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #172
You're really underestimating their intelligence, then. I don't think voters are that dumb.


I'm a MM2 fan and I wouldn't be able to tell you that was Mega Man unless I saw the name there. I know him as the loveable Astro Boy kinda character, not the middle aged man in a space outfit
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 7:20:11 AM | message detail
But the name is clearly shown in the picture. I have no idea what you're talking about. Voters can clearly see the logo there.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:21:09 AM | message detail
If the game/character is a favourite of the voter then the picture doesn't matter. The picture makes an effect to the people who haven't heard any of the options or when two options are more or less the same level of likability, but random factors such as poll position (top > bottom > middle), bracket voting and whoever is losing also play a part to the average voter.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:21:30 AM | message detail
You, as a contest regular, will overanalyze the picture. Do you check in detail of every ad on a site you don't care about, or do you just glance quickly enough at them to see what it says to see if it interests you or not then look away? I see the match pic as the same type of thing for people who don't care about the contest in general.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/8/2009 7:21:33 AM | message detail
People with IQ low enough to perform the actions you're implying probably do not know how to use a PC anyway
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Lucid Faia | Posted 4/8/2009 7:25:12 AM | message detail
Am I the only one who thinks the pic barely matters at all?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:25:49 AM | message detail

From: Lucid Faia | #178
Am I the only one who thinks the pic barely matters at all?


Samus/Tifa, Big Boss/Kirby, Snake/Frog, etc.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/8/2009 7:27:33 AM | message detail
Am I the only one who thinks the pic barely matters at all?

Samus/Tifa, Solid ****/Bowser, Solid ****/Frog, Lettuce Kefka, Vergil/Immodium Ghaleon, etc.
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Lucid Faia | Posted 4/8/2009 7:27:35 AM | message detail
Like I can remember previous contests in great detail. =P

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:28:32 AM | message detail
Well the Solid **** example for one had Frog almost beat Solid Snake due to Snake looking like a piece of **** with his NES Sprite.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/8/2009 7:29:50 AM | message detail
Well the Solid **** example for one had Frog almost beat Solid Snake due to Snake looking like a piece of **** with his NES Sprite.

And Snake almost lost to Bowser because of Solid **** making him look like "crap".
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:32:36 AM | message detail
The picture is used to grab the attention of a person to let them know that there's a contest going on. What the picture has isn't going to stop them from looking at the options.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:33:28 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #184
The picture is used to grab the attention of a person to let them know that there's a contest going on. What the picture has isn't going to stop them from looking at the options.


If pic didn't matter at all, pelase explain Solid **** then.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 7:36:14 AM | message detail
This picture isn't as significant as Solid ****. I really doubt anything comes close to that and Zero Suit Samus.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:38:53 AM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #186
This picture isn't as significant as Solid ****. I really doubt anything comes close to that and Zero Suit Samus.


This picture is easily at the level of Zero Suit Samus. The thing that hurt Samus with that pic is unrecognizibility. Are you saying that this version of Mega Man is more recognizable then Zero Suit Samus was?
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:41:32 AM | message detail
If pic didn't matter at all, pelase explain Solid **** then.

The picture may matter when it comes to voting, but the picture is not stopping people from looking at the written options which is what you were saying.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 7:49:11 AM | message detail
Why is this argument repeated every year?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:49:55 AM | message detail

From: MnMZero | #189
Why is this argument repeated every year?


Because some people just refuse to understand pic plays a factor, even with the obvious examples every year.
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paulg235 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:54:43 AM | message detail
Man, Pac-Man's doing well during the Day vote.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:54:57 AM | message detail
Samus vs. Tifa - highest vote total of the contest (excluding BR)
RE vs. SF - above average vote totals
Solid Snake vs. Bowser - easily broke 100k
Solid Snake vs. Frog - above average vote totals

A bad picture isn't going to stop people from voting even if they don't know the characters, who they vote for now that's a different question.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:55:45 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #192
Samus vs. Tifa - highest vote total of the contest (excluding BR)


two big boobed girls in a high profile match does that
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/8/2009 7:56:33 AM | message detail
two big boobed girls in a high profile match does that

Let's ignore the rest of my post.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 7:58:05 AM | message detail
Are you saying that this version of Mega Man is more recognizable then Zero Suit Samus was?

http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/megaman.jpg

Hm... fair enough.

There may be one at play, but this doesn't excuse the bombing still.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 7:59:43 AM | message detail
I really hope next character contest Bacon uses one of these grown men pics for Mega Man just to see how much it really does hurt him
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 8:22:46 AM | message detail
I think any "pictures don't matter" arguments died with Samus/Tifa, and anybody who still believes that garbage despite all the overwhelming evidence (Snake performing completely different with a sprite, Lettuce Kefka etc.) just look like ignorant fools now.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 8:27:08 AM | message detail
Picture matters because not everybody is going to say "Holy crap, Frog! VOTE!" or "GODDAMN do I love Snake's ass, VOTE!". Any voters that don't feel strongly about either character and don't have their minds made up before they see the options will base their opinion on the pictures. Example, Frog/Snake is "Whoa, Chrono Trigger, that's an awesome game! VOTE!" as opposed to "That unrecognizable blob is Solid Snake, from the Metal Gear Solid games!".

Same reason why Tifa put the fear into Samus. People saw Tifa and were reminded about Final Fantasy 7 while they saw Samus and a lot were confused (I've never played Zero Mission and wouldn't know that was Samus if I didn't see the Brawl trailer). Tifa would have won that match outright if ZSS wasn't in the Brawl trailer.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/8/2009 8:28:29 AM | message detail
So how about that Mega Man 2.
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