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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 667

Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 4:13:07 PM | message detail
I still don't know why FF4 is the favorite to take 2nd in SMW/FF1/FF4/MM3.

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Big Bob | Posted 4/8/2009 4:13:15 PM | message detail
SMB/SMB3/Zelda 1 are all popular Nintendo NES games. FFIV will stand out like crazy.

Though if Tetris winds up in that match, who knows how it will go?
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/8/2009 4:14:51 PM | message detail
It'll stand out, SMB3 will likely leech from SMB1...Zelda is in a class of it's own though.

I think it'll finish third, but SMB3's leeching and Zelda's elite standing do not help FF4's chances.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/8/2009 4:31:05 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 4:31:45 PM | message detail
ninja gaiden has this
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Master Moltar | Posted 4/8/2009 4:31:52 PM | message detail
the dog vs. ryu h. who ya got
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deadeyedllv | Posted 4/8/2009 4:33:53 PM | message detail
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SMB>NG confirmed.
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 4:33:53 PM | message detail
I still don't know why FF4 is the favorite to take 2nd in SMW/FF1/FF4/MM3.

Really? Especially after today?

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LinkLegend27 | Posted 4/8/2009 4:34:19 PM | message detail
I'd take Ryu H imo
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PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/8/2009 4:35:47 PM | message detail
lets go dog

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From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 4/8/2009 7:13:07 PM | #451
I still don't know why FF4 is the favorite to take 2nd in SMW/FF1/FF4/MM3.


I maintain FF4 vs FF1 would have been a tossup before FF4DS, but that game should give FF4 the tiny bit of help it needs.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/8/2009 4:44:34 PM | message detail
I have it in the Sweet 16 and I agree it has a lot of convenient matches up to that point. But it is against SM3/SMB1/Zelda1 in my bracket (even if Tetris gets that far, it doesn't help FF4 at all). If it were two strong Nintendo games then FF4 would be screwed but three means that one could very well have votes leeched by the other two allowing them to edge ahead of FF4.

That makes absolutely no sense. Why would it be less likely if there were 3 games instead of 2?

Or are you forgetting Mewtwo/Sora/Cloud/Squall and Bowser/Ryu/Toad/Mewtwo
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 4:44:51 PM | message detail
I doubt FF/FFIV would have been close before. FF's 'strength' comes almost entirely from franchise voting, something that won't matter too much when you stick it up against any other FF.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 4:47:44 PM | message detail
I'm one of those that believe match pics do matter.

Next round MM2/3 should get recognizable pics, they will perform better than their R1 matches.

Still, I don't see how FF4 is the favorite with FF1 there.

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FFVII / Super Mario Bros. 3 / LoZ: Ocarina of Time / Metal Gear Solid
MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 4:48:47 PM | message detail
Hm.. The Dog is in the picture.

I'm more worried about him than Ryu H.
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Mr3790 | Posted 4/8/2009 4:49:14 PM | message detail
Cool, Ninja Gaiden looks like a smart pick for second.
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 4:49:23 PM | message detail
MM3's already likely going to be the weakest game there, and Mario World won't do it any favors. I'm kinda surprised some think that MM3 is the easy choice there. I expect both FF's to finish ahead of it.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 4:50:26 PM | message detail
Hell no does both FF finish over MM3. What?

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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 4:50:56 PM | message detail
Do you really not think that Mario World is going to kill MM3 there?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 4:52:45 PM | message detail
An interesting little state I found.

Final Fantasy 1 Playership: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2664 ... Thats 46830 total votes of people who have played it.

Final Fantasy 4 Playership: (after the DS release) http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3188 ... Only 46751 total votes.

Not to mention the FF1 poll is about a year or 2 earlier, so it might have even moer playership now.

So I don't think people will just abandon FF1 just because they're played both. Hell, alot of people apparently have played FF1 and not 4.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 4:52:59 PM | message detail

From: Mr3790 | #466
Cool, Ninja Gaiden looks like a smart pick for second.


... <_< I was saying it'd get that pick like on the night of bracket lockdown and switched the last minute.

I guess nobody heard me. :(
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/8/2009 4:54:27 PM | message detail
I think SMW is gonna kill everything, not just MM3.

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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 4:58:07 PM | message detail
So I don't think people will just abandon FF1 just because they're played both. Hell, alot of people apparently have played FF1 and not 4.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2185
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2186
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1659

whoops

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/8/2009 5:01:11 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #473
So I don't think people will just abandon FF1 just because they're played both. Hell, alot of people apparently have played FF1 and not 4.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2185
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2186
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1659

whoops


A difference of 2365 votes between the two play rates, favoring OoT. It's not that far off, really.
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 5:03:08 PM | message detail
The point was that play rate honestly doesn't matter in most cases. SMB3 kills just about every game here, but it ain't going to beat Ocarina of Time. Now FF/FFIV aren't those two games (in strength or play rate), but you don't need to look at any polls to know that FFIV will be the preferred choice there. It's not like FFIV is unpopular or anything.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 5:03:35 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 5:04:15 PM | message detail
FF1 is gonna LFF FF4 hard, its just whether MM3 will be able to resist SFF enough to advance
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 5:04:25 PM | message detail
Although I guess a better example would have been the SMB3/CT match.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/8/2009 5:05:14 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197

Not unpopular at all. It could totally take Secret of Evermore.
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 5:05:48 PM | message detail
I hope that wasn't a serious post !

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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/8/2009 5:09:49 PM | message detail
Well, I'd wager it would beat Secret of Evermore. <_<

The point is that we've never, ever*, seen a poll where FFIV does well. Given MM2's performance today that probably won't matter in the second round, but still.

*Other (somewhat) recent samples:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2212
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2224
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2244
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3163
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 5:14:11 PM | message detail
FFIV did well enough in the most recent GotY polls recently, and there's no reason to expect to be less than FF. You're probably not gonna find any polls, outside of the contest, where it did anything all that impressive either. But, uh, I'm not saying that FFIV would beat Mario World or anything, just that it'll cruise past MM3 no problem.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/8/2009 5:15:16 PM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | #481
Well, I'd wager it would beat Secret of Evermore. <_<

The point is that we've never, ever*, seen a poll where FFIV does well. Given MM2's performance today that probably won't matter in the second round, but still.

*Other (somewhat) recent samples:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2212
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2224
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2244
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3163


Those don't even seem that bad. If "nothing this month" was always an option for those anticipation polls, it would win most of the time. Regardless, all it has to do is win the SFF battle against the original, because MM3 is going to be humiliated.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/8/2009 5:15:35 PM | message detail
You have a strange definition of well enough; I seem to recall it losing to TWEWY.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 5:15:37 PM | message detail
just that it'll cruise past MM3 no problem.

oh, it will round 1 when its unhampered.
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 5:16:03 PM | message detail
And honestly, I think you'd be hard pressed to find any major FF game (FFII and FFIII excluded) that wouldn't be popular in a contest setting. They all aren't the same, but none of them are going to be super weak. The name means everything, especially the further back you go.

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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 5:16:48 PM | message detail
I also remember CT being in that poll, probably the worst game outside of FFVI that it could share a poll with.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/8/2009 5:17:47 PM | message detail
FF9, FF11 and FF12 I would all expect to not be very strong.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 5:17:48 PM | message detail
It's kinda unfair to gauge a game's strength off of a remake/port anyway (whatever don't criticize me guys if it's really not that <_<).
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/8/2009 5:18:09 PM | message detail
.. Those two games were ports/remakes, right? <_<
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ZFS | Posted 4/8/2009 5:20:53 PM | message detail
FFXI wouldn't be worth a whole lot, but we all know what's going on there. No reason to expect that FFIX and FFXII would be weak games, though, but they're also probably not 'elite' either. Still, I'd take both of 'em to whomp FF1 any day.

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redrocket | Posted 4/8/2009 5:44:08 PM | message detail
Uhh.............................................

There is no question which game is preferred between FFI and FFIV. FF IV would godstomp FFI one on one. People really need to stop taking favorite game in series polls seriously after like the third most popular game. The SFF from the top games is so bad that you can't get any reading on the lesser games. That doesn't mean there isn't still a significant gap between lower tier games. Among the internet community of the mid 90's FFIV was bigger than FFVII is now. And I know that that was ages ago, but the thing is that the overlap between FFI and FFIV is huge, bigger than FFIV and the 3D FFs by far.


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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 5:53:56 PM | message detail
Among the internet community of the mid 90's FFIV was bigger than FFVII is now.

Whoa now.... Remember RPGs weren't even mainstream back then... Bigger than FFVII is now? I highly doubt that.

I have FFIV taking second by the way. But come on...
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DpObliVion | Posted 4/8/2009 5:55:23 PM | message detail
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redrocket | Posted 4/8/2009 5:58:48 PM | message detail
. Remember RPGs weren't even mainstream back then...

Internet community

The internet was hardly mainstream in FFIV's heyday. FFIV has literally every advantage it needs, not to be strong, but to SFF FFI into the ground. It wins on old school appeal and mainstream appeal hands down.



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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/8/2009 6:01:20 PM | message detail
Talking about the 1994 Internet community as if it means anything is pretty silly.
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redrocket | Posted 4/8/2009 6:02:18 PM | message detail
I'm saying the the "old school" vote will overwhelmingly favor FFIV, as well as the mainstream vote.

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 4/8/2009 6:02:29 PM | message detail
someone say Godstomp?



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Why the cuck chuckling hell isnt God Hand in here?
MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 6:03:32 PM | message detail
So the internet community now only consists of those who were on the internet in the mid 90s? Did not know that.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/8/2009 6:04:47 PM | message detail
If the old school vote favors FFIV, it won't be because of the internet community back then!
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