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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 665

BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/7/2009 9:06:53 AM | message detail
And once again, there's a pretty huge difference between Duck Hunt and Punch Out.

One sold a billion copies and was played by almost everyone that owned an NES. The other is a niche NES title.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:07:44 AM | message detail
Almost up to 1000 votes. We're about to pass Bacon's standard for what a close match is :'(
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/7/2009 9:07:54 AM | message detail
I know for sure a good chunk of the midwest is on spring break, I've got some high school friends in various parts of it (haha). I imagine that's not too far from the case of everyone else.
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NP: Tetris > Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:07:56 AM | message detail
Yeah... this match is starting to scare me about Zeldas strength even if Tetris was just SFF'd.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/7/2009 9:08:12 AM | message detail
I'm not expecting much from Mario 1. Call it a hunch, but I can't see it beating Zelda, and I have it losing to Mega Man in round 3.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:08:54 AM | message detail
I dunno dude, Punch-Out is one of the most well-known NES/Arcade games out there. It's not Mario or Pac-Man by any means, but losing to DK here would be nothing short of a collapse in my eyes. Punch-Out had zero reason to lose this.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/7/2009 9:08:57 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #250
Or in stats terms, do you really think Mario 1 could get 43% on Mario 3? I know there'd be SFF and all that, but Zelda 1 getting 43% on Mario 3 is no joke.


I think you were the person that answered me that it couldn't get 43% today, and if it gets less than 40%, it's a reasonable upset.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:09:01 AM | message detail
Well one more update like that and I'm calling his match for DK
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/7/2009 9:10:16 AM | message detail
That last update brushed away the comeback/stalls PO's been getting. Maaaan. Choke DK. Don't loosen the tie now.
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NP: Tetris > Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4
UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:11:27 AM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | Posted: 4/7/2009 12:08:57 PM | #257
I think you were the person that answered me that it couldn't get 43% today, and if it gets less than 40%, it's a reasonable upset.


Oh definitely, I can't see Zelda 1 breaking 40% if that match were held again. My question is why a lot of people claim Zelda aged badly, that more people prefer Mario 1 and so forth. Zelda was the first game to independently sell 1 million copies, wasn't it? And I don't really see people riding the "Mario 1 is a better game than Zelda" outside of Board 8.

I didn't listen to consensus when changing my pick (compared the favorite Zelda poll to the favorite Mario poll) by any means, but that's one I'd like to have back.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/7/2009 9:11:31 AM | message detail
You have to remember though, you were around for the NES. Most of the people visiting this site are 90's kids nowadays, so they'll go with the names they recognize such as DK, Space Invaders and Tetris. Punch-out will need a last minute push to win this, because the ASV (even if it's limited) won't be kind to it.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/7/2009 9:11:57 AM | message detail
Hey, come on DK, CHOKE! Show us how a big ape chokes and fails!
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/7/2009 9:12:06 AM | message detail
Oh, and for what it's worth, DK the character peaked against Master Chief at about this time. Punch-Out by the hour:

1:00 | 50.87%
2:00 | 51.87%
3:00 | 54.44%
4:00 | 48.61%
5:00 | 46.85%
6:00 | 41.35%
7:00 | 38.92%
8:00 | 40.12%
9:00 | 45.47%
10:00 | 47.87%
11:00 | 45.42%
12:00 | 46.74%

These percentages are, well....a bit low. Still anyone's game though.
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Best Game Ever Contest II: Score: 0/0
Bracket: Tetris > Punch-Out --- Vote: Punch-Out
UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:12:44 AM | message detail
Heeey, the blue bar moved. Been awhile.

BTW, sorry Turtle and Albion for acting like a jackass for awhile. At the very least, I'll be as nice as I can in the stats topic <3
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:13:22 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #264
Heeey, the blue bar moved. Been awhile.

BTW, sorry Turtle and Albion for acting like a jackass for awhile. At the very least, I'll be as nice as I can in the stats topic <3


Oh I don't take any of the stuff people say seriously, I don't care =P
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:13:35 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | Posted: 4/7/2009 12:12:06 PM | #263
Oh, and for what it's worth, DK the character peaked against Master Chief at about this time. Punch-Out by the hour:

1:00 | 50.87%
2:00 | 51.87%
3:00 | 54.44%
4:00 | 48.61%
5:00 | 46.85%
6:00 | 41.35%
7:00 | 38.92%
8:00 | 40.12%
9:00 | 45.47%
10:00 | 47.87%
11:00 | 45.42%
12:00 | 46.74%

These percentages are, well....a bit low. Still anyone's game though.


Dude Punch-Out has like 17%, not 50.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/7/2009 9:14:06 AM | message detail
That's Punch-Out's percentage of Punch-Out and Donkey Kong votes.
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Best Game Ever Contest II: Score: 0/0
Bracket: Tetris > Punch-Out --- Vote: Punch-Out
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:14:15 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #266
Dude Punch-Out has like 17%, not 50.


He's doing what punch out has against Donkey Kong percentage wise.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/7/2009 9:15:13 AM | message detail
Because everybody and their grandmother (literally in my case) has played Mario 1. Zelda 1 being popular is no fluke - look at The List (#30) - but so is Mario 1 (#22, Mario World is #23). I don't think that just the fact that it's Zelda swings it, though it's not impossible that Zelda 1 is stronger straight up.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:15:49 AM | message detail
Well I took personally that stuff you were railing on me about during Battle of the Bands. I put a lot of effort into those contests of mine, and people accusing me of being some shrew jackass that rigs my own contest annoys me. I like to think I make the best effort possible to catch alts and all that, but of course a close match will be in question.

I'm stunned you think I'd cheat for a band I had heard of over the guys that did November Rain, too. That's just silly.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:16:47 AM | message detail
I didn't mean that stuff, I was just annoyed by my favorite bands losing to unknowns to me and got frustrated >_>
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/7/2009 9:16:48 AM | message detail
By even trying to compare Punch-Out to Master Chief you voided any argument you make regarding this match. DK won the morning decisively, morning winners typically take the ASV as well. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:16:55 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | Posted: 4/7/2009 12:14:06 PM | #267
That's Punch-Out's percentage of Punch-Out and Donkey Kong votes.


...wow am I stupid. I need to not post after taking painkillers, XD. I hope I feel better soon, because this hurts so bad.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:17:53 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #272
By even trying to compare Punch-Out to Master Chief you voided any argument you make regarding this match. DK won the morning decisively, morning winners typically take the ASV as well. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.


Mac failed in the morning yet held up in the day though. Morning is typically the younger people who might just recognize the name Donkey Kong better.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/7/2009 9:19:26 AM | message detail
And so is the ASV. Mac failed in the morning on a weekend IIRC, where the day vote takes place between 6 and noon and the rest of the day is evening trends.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:19:27 AM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 4/7/2009 12:15:13 PM | #269
Because everybody and their grandmother (literally in my case) has played Mario 1. Zelda 1 being popular is no fluke - look at The List (#30) - but so is Mario 1 (#22, Mario World is #23). I don't think that just the fact that it's Zelda swings it, though it's not impossible that Zelda 1 is stronger straight up.


You really think "It's Zelda" isn't enough to swing that match? I too looked at the list, but something about this match makes me worry Zelda 1 will SFF Mario into oblivion. That match could go 60-40 either way and I wouldn't be surprised.

From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 4/7/2009 12:16:47 PM | #271
I didn't mean that stuff, I was just annoyed by my favorite bands losing to unknowns to me and got frustrated >_>


I'm not smart enough to pick up on things like that. I don't like admitting that I'm kind of dumb, but I am. But it's all good, go rally some boxing forums =p
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/7/2009 9:19:29 AM | message detail
DK won the morning decisively, morning winners typically take the ASV as well. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Except that, you know, DK has won the morning vote in every match he's ever been in as far as I can remember, and he's never won the ASV. I never implied Punch-Out's ASV was anywhere near Master Chief's level.
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Bracket: Tetris > Punch-Out --- Vote: Punch-Out
ffmasterjose | Posted 4/7/2009 9:20:22 AM | message detail
Check you out Little Mac, making a one vote cut. Don't stop there little guy!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/7/2009 9:20:29 AM | message detail
This cheerful non-nerd-raging Ulti is making me feel uncomfortable.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:20:33 AM | message detail
I'm liking the stalling to keep it under 1000.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:23:23 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted: 4/7/2009 12:20:29 PM | #279
This cheerful non-nerd-raging Ulti is making me feel uncomfortable.


Everyone grows up sooner or later. I think.

Back to the match, we're basically looking to see if DK starts messing up at... 2?
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voltch | Posted 4/7/2009 9:26:19 AM | message detail
topic moving too fast,DK to lose that much seems unlikely but whats bugging me is Tetris,what will it do to MM2?
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/7/2009 9:27:02 AM | message detail
I'm personally hoping he starts to fall apart at anytime. These stalls and small cuts are such a tease. But 2 is as good a time as any.
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Lopen | Posted 4/7/2009 9:28:00 AM | message detail
topic moving too fast,DK to lose that much seems unlikely but whats bugging me is Tetris,what will it do to MM2?

Roll over and die for it, that's what it'll do.

Tetris doesn't break 30% next round bank on it.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:28:52 AM | message detail
UPPERCUT
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Lopen | Posted 4/7/2009 9:28:52 AM | message detail
"Everyone's got a plan, until they get hit" - Mike Tyson
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:28:59 AM | message detail
I've had faith in Tetris > MM2 from the beginning, and I don't get where faith in the reverse comes from. Mega Man being strong doesn't mean all 100 of his games will follow suit. Tetris is part of the NES holy grail, along with Mario 1, Mario 3, Final Fantasy and Zelda 1. I'm pretty sure all 5 of these aforementioned games would SFF-skull**** any other NES game. There might be a VERY rare exception here and there (Contra, maybe even MM2 and 3), but I see no NES game challenging the big 5.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/7/2009 9:29:15 AM | message detail
UPPERCUT!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/7/2009 9:29:43 AM | message detail
Hm, 12:30 is right on schedule, right?

Up 4
Up 27
Up 37
Down 15

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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/7/2009 9:30:40 AM | message detail
Holy ****, there ya go Mac. UPPERCUT!
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voltch | Posted 4/7/2009 9:31:12 AM | message detail
reverse MM2 and 3's places and would your predix differ?
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/7/2009 9:32:11 AM | message detail
While Mega Man himself may be strong, I'm expecting his games to bomb.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/7/2009 9:32:17 AM | message detail
that was all punch out there, not DK failing
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/7/2009 9:32:31 AM | message detail
By the by, that was the third fifteen minute update Punch-Out!! has won since 3:15. (One at 4:15 to stem the bleeding a bit, the other was a four vote win following one of DK's best updates at 9:30 and I'd say it was a fluke.)
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:32:57 AM | message detail

From: voltch | Posted: 4/7/2009 12:31:12 PM | #291
reverse MM2 and 3's places and would your predix differ?


No, I think Tetris would kill either of those two games. I mean I love me some NES Mega Man, but I don't see how Tetris could lose there. It baffles my mind how people deny Tetris' strength.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:33:32 AM | message detail
I miss 15 minute updates so much.
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Lopen | Posted 4/7/2009 9:35:06 AM | message detail
Ulti, it really just comes from gut. I don't consider myself a pro at these game contests by any means, but if there's one thing I did manage to do with virtually zero knowledge of the stats or contests, it was bullseye every Division 8/16 match last contest. (aside from RCR > pong and LttP > FF3 dammit) Okay, that's probably not that impressive considering those were the easiest generations-- but still, I trust my gut when it comes to the old school stuff.

Mega Man 2 is just one of those iconic NES games, I think, whereas I don't really think Tetris is one to hold up against such a game. Everyone knows Tetris, but I don't think its actual fanbase is strong enough to hold up against a top tier NES game, which I think Mega Man 2 definitely is.
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Lopen | Posted 4/7/2009 9:36:21 AM | message detail
Oh, and also the fact that I don't buy for a second that Mega Man can manage to be strong with 100 fodder games. Game strength isn't additive and the guy has to be popular for SOME reason. I don't buy "keep shoving him in our face and he'll become popular" that doesn't fly. Mega Man 2 should be his crown jewel.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:37:01 AM | message detail
The only match I missed was SMRPG/SF2. You're lecturing the wrong guy about gut instinct <_<
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/7/2009 9:37:17 AM | message detail
In the first two divisions
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