GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 663
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:27:04 PM | message detail |
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A recommendation to the crew this year: Keep it short. I can tell you now that it's not going to happen. This is the first game contest in five years. Even today I have a long analysis planned though that's because I've been thinking about this match for a week so don't expect the others to be long. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:27:31 PM | message detail |
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Oh and to people thinking even DIABLO 2 is stronger then WoW... Diablo (2006s) VS Warcraft (2006s) Diablo has a strength of 16.21. Warcraft has a strength of 20.39. Warcraft wins with 60.25% of the vote! A win of 25,916 with 126,419 total votes cast. No. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/6/2009 1:28:01 PM | message detail |
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So the contest is starting tonight right --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:28:15 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #303 yep --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:28:55 PM | message detail |
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Arthas did way better with his WoW pic then his WC3 pic, so with the
hype of Wrath of the Lich King, it was most likely he got the majority
of his support from WoW players. Hype plays a huge roll and you have no proof that Arthas did any better with any picture. And Kerrigan IS the entire story of the expansion pack, and a good chunk of the original game, why wouldn't she be as popular as a character from a "lesser" game? People don't play Starcraft for the story iirc. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/6/2009 1:29:04 PM | message detail |
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yeeees --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:29:47 PM | message detail |
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People can like games without liking their characters. And I honestly think most of Starcraft's votes here come from people who would not call themselves "Blizzard fans," and do not play Starcraft religiously. Liking Chrono Trigger does not make you a Square fan, and liking SSBM does not make you a Nintendo fan. Playing World of Warcraft more or less makes you a Blizzard fan, so it's not accurate to say that WoW beats Starcraft among the hardcore Blizzard fanbase, and therefore it's stronger on Gamefaqs. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:30:54 PM | message detail |
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People don't play Starcraft for the story iirc. Neither do people play WC3 for the story. Its online mode was the most popular part of it. Hype plays a huge roll and you have no proof that Arthas did any better with any picture. Its the general consensus. He was WAY weaker in round 2 compared to his competition then round 1, when he had no reason to be. He lost Spy, a PC character who possibly was taking some votes and was against characters that shouldn't of hurt him what so ever, yet he bombed and did worse then he did round 1. Only logical explanation is that WoW players didn't recognize him since he isn't seen without his helmet in WoW. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:31:56 PM | message detail |
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Diablo (2006s) VS Warcraft (2006s) Diablo has a strength of 16.21. Warcraft has a strength of 20.39. Warcraft wins with 60.25% of the vote! A win of 25,916 with 126,419 total votes cast. LoZ: The Wind Waker > Super Smash Bros. Melee --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:32:09 PM | message detail |
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All that shows is that WoW > Warcraft 3, not that the RTS games do nothing for his strength. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| White_Turtle | Posted 4/6/2009 1:32:18 PM | message detail |
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A recommendation to the crew this year: Keep it short. Especially you, NGamer. I know you love your long, long, writeups, but I honestly don't give a **** if Game A would get 37.53% on Game B in 2004. Too much analysis, and I stop caring. Most of the crew is actually just fine; a single paragraph, maybe two or three if it's a big match, talking about what each game's odds are and why they're that way, and your justification of your pick. Those are modest, short, and interesting to read, much more than overwhelming us with statistics. If this is what you're looking for, I strongly suggest reading my analysis topic. I abhor using 5 year old polls to justify anything and any stats I do bring up are usually very relevant. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:32:46 PM | message detail |
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From: charmander6000 | #309 And whats your reasoning for Warcraft beating Diablo so enthatically that makes you think its not legit? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:34:31 PM | message detail |
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Its the general consensus. He was WAY weaker in round 2 compared to
his competition then round 1, when he had no reason to be. He lost Spy,
a PC character who possibly was taking some votes and was against
characters that shouldn't of hurt him what so ever, yet he bombed and
did worse then he did round 1. Only logical explanation is that WoW
players didn't recognize him since he isn't seen without his helmet in
WoW. Well considering that there was tougher competition it is expected that Arthas will get a lower percent... Also WoW fans won't waste time rallying if Arthas is losing and has no chance at coming back so if WoW is behind MGS3 and Halo 2 by enough I don't see rallying being much of a factor. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:35:43 PM | message detail |
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Well considering that there was tougher competition it is expected that Arthas will get a lower percent... Obviously, but I remember seeing people at the time saying stuff like round 1 Arthas woulda gotten 60% on round 2 Arthas. He just got WAY weaker from round 1 to round 2, and why else would that be? WoW is behind MGS3 and Halo 2. LOL --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:36:19 PM | message detail |
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And whats your reasoning for Warcraft beating Diablo so enthatically that makes you think its not legit? I guess I have to explain it to you. Just because a series is stronger than the other doesn't mean all the games in the series are stronger than all the games of the other series. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:37:14 PM | message detail |
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From: charmander6000 | #315 WoW and Diablo 2 are the strongest of their series, and don't forget this series contest was back in WoWs infancy when it had about 6 million subscribers compared to over 11 now. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:38:52 PM | message detail |
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Obviously, but I remember seeing people at the time saying stuff
like round 1 Arthas woulda gotten 60% on round 2 Arthas. He just got
WAY weaker from round 1 to round 2, and why else would that be? The only way I see that is if people hold him constant to a SFF Pikachu, which is wrong. Ike was able to LFF Pikachu more than Captain Falcon because he's popular in his own series (which is closer to Pokemon than F-Zero is) and Ike is one of the most used characters in Brawl along with Meta Knight. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:39:40 PM | message detail |
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WoW is behind MGS3 and Halo 2. LOL That's not exactly easy competition. Starcraft might not beat either 1v1 in round 1 of a contest. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:40:40 PM | message detail |
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Also, the reason I said "LOL" about Halo 2 being too far infront of WoW for rallying to matter is... WoW and Warcraft in general is a night beast, and Halo fails at night and is a day beast. There is NO way for WoW to not be there with Halo at night even if you think Halo 2 will win. Most of WoWs support is from Europe, which is why it does so great at night. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:40:54 PM | message detail |
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WoW and Diablo 2 are the strongest of their series, and don't forget
this series contest was back in WoWs infancy when it had about 6
million subscribers compared to over 11 now. OoT > FFVII now? Also WoW was more tolerated in 2005 than it is now. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2232 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3328 --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 4/6/2009 1:41:37 PM | message detail |
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So how about that match that's happening tonight, let's talk about that instead. --- Kleenex...at work! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:42:18 PM | message detail |
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From: charmander6000 | #320 These kinds of polls are easy to anti vote, you know. How exactly are people going to anti vote in 4 way though, I wonder? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:42:53 PM | message detail |
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So how about that match that's happening tonight, let's talk about that instead. I only have 5 minutes left and when I get back I'll be in first match mode. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| Yesmar | Posted 4/6/2009 1:43:20 PM | message detail |
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And whats your reasoning for Warcraft beating Diablo so enthatically that makes you think its not legit? Warcraft has two very popular games (plus two other minor games) from different genres that are very well liked by their audiences to draw on. The Diablo series is much more monolithic and really only has 1 game of any strength on GameFAQS most likely. Also don't forget that Diablo is roughly equal to Arthas, which clearly proves that comparisons between Blizzard games/characters/whatever are not exact. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/6/2009 1:43:43 PM | message detail |
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From: White_Turtle | Posted: 4/6/2009 4:32:18 PM | #311 We abhor you, but that doesn't stop you from speaking. Leave NG alone. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:43:51 PM | message detail |
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These kinds of polls are easy to anti vote, you know. How exactly are people going to anti vote in 4 way though, I wonder? People anti-voted anti-voters thus giving WoW more support in 2005 than in 2008? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:44:04 PM | message detail |
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Also don't forget that Diablo is roughly equal to Arthas This was also pre Wotlk announcement when Arthas only had WC3 to fall back on. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:44:27 PM | message detail |
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From: charmander6000 | #326 I meant the "Have you played" polls in general. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:44:35 PM | message detail |
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WoW and Warcraft in general is a night beast, and Halo fails at
night and is a day beast. There is NO way for WoW to not be there with
Halo at night even if you think Halo 2 will win. Most of WoWs support
is from Europe, which is why it does so great at night. I do wonder about this. Last contest, matches started at 3 AM, so Starcraft didn't do very much with the first night vote before falling way behind during the day and then going berserk from 9 PM to 3 AM. Now that matches start at midnight, I wonder how its pattern will change. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:46:30 PM | message detail |
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I meant the "Have you played" polls in general. True, but that doesn't take away that WoW is less liked now than it was before considering the anti-voters existed back then as well. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:47:32 PM | message detail |
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From: charmander6000 | #330 In WoWs early days, it didn't have the kinda hatred from people as "Taking over gaming" as it does now, which is the reason why. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/6/2009 1:48:11 PM | message detail |
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"Peak"-Arthas is barely above a SFFed Ike in the age of BrawlFAIL. If
that's supposed to inspire fear in WoW, it's completely missed me here. WoW is a failure. Even the much heralded Starcraft could only barely take down Halo before it got bandwagoned. How am I supposed to believe an entity that, at its best, is equal to the GTA series (on a TUESDAY) is going to do anything of note here? --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:50:09 PM | message detail |
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How am I supposed to believe an entity that, at its best, is equal
to the GTA series (on a TUESDAY) is going to do anything of note here? Starcraft took down the strongest Halo close to the time it was released, and WoW is facing the weakest Halo that nobody even plays anymore since all the Halo fans have moved onto Halo 3. And WoW does have higher ceiling for rallying then Starcraft could ever hope to muster just due to the amount of places out there you can rally. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/6/2009 1:51:27 PM | message detail |
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 4/6/2009 4:48:11 PM | #332 It doesn't need to be noteworthy to beat Halo 2 and San Andreas. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:52:25 PM | message detail |
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Halo was stronger back then, near its release? 2003 was even closer to
its release, and Master Chief barely beat Felix that year. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:52:26 PM | message detail |
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I look forward to WoW being the new villain of the contest ala L Block --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/6/2009 1:52:32 PM | message detail |
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Rallying a loser just makes it a slightly more puffed-up loser. SMB proved that WC can be fodderized, and WoW is no WC. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:53:09 PM | message detail |
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From: red sox 777 | #335 The game obviously was if it was able to keep up with a Starcraft that almost beat Melee, bandwagoned or not. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:53:26 PM | message detail |
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WoW is no WC. wut --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/6/2009 1:54:36 PM | message detail |
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Even the much heralded Starcraft could only barely take down Halo
before it got bandwagoned. How am I supposed to believe an entity that,
at its best, is equal to the GTA series (on a TUESDAY) is going to do
anything of note here? I'm starting to think I really did miss a super secret Stats Topic meeting where it was decreed that "GTA level = FAIL FAIL FAIL." FAIL FAIL FAIL even against another entity that FAIL FAIL FAILS in any year when it's not backed up by millions of Microsoft advertising dollars. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/6/2009 1:55:14 PM | message detail |
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World of Warcraft Diablo II Starcraft I have no idea how to rate these PC games anymore. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/6/2009 1:55:30 PM | message detail |
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It doesn't need to be noteworthy to beat Halo 2 and San Andreas. Well, duh. But I'm seeing as much weight being given to putting WoW in the finals as Starcraft, and there are lines that need to be drawn at that nonsense. WC beating GTA didn't stop it from being a chump in the end, and the same is true of WoW. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:55:56 PM | message detail |
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http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Melee_vs_Vice_City_2004 GTA sure was full of fail back then aint it --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:57:07 PM | message detail |
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From: MarioSuperstar | #341 Really, we don't know if Starcraft or WoW is stronger other then assumptions, but we DO have facts that Diablo is last --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| voltch | Posted 4/6/2009 1:57:25 PM | message detail |
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Blizzard,Halo,GTA,the more mainstream,the harder to predict....but
Starcraft II trailers seem to be popping up,as good a time as any to
top up that rusty starcraft behemoth. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 *Shakes Fist* |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:59:47 PM | message detail |
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If you mean the Series Contest x-stats (extrapolated through matches
where FF and SMB fodderized Diablo/Warcraft, and the FF/SMB match where
SMB had major picture advantage at least and possible other
advantages), then those are less, probably far less, reliable for
indicating the strength of Diablo 2 and World of Warcraft than The List. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 2:00:34 PM | message detail |
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All the WC foddering showed that its tough to rally against a name like Mario; nothing more. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/6/2009 2:00:39 PM | message detail |
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I'm starting to think I really did miss a super secret Stats Topic
meeting where it was decreed that "GTA level = FAIL FAIL FAIL." To be fair, I wouldn't have been so critical of WC had it not followed up that performance with this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2445 As unreliable as the Series Contest stats are, we're talking about a series that couldn't even crack the top half of field strength. Adjusting for SFF fully, it may even be in the bottom third. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 2:02:37 PM | message detail |
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I remember a rally topic I made for WC backfired with everyone like
"ITS MARIO MAN! I can't vote against him!" and it actually helping get
Mario more votes then anything. Hell without the anti rallying it might of been 75-25 even with that horrible pic advantage for Mario. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/99/83fb11b029a5ceb7fa222a6090a0af53408dafb3.jpg |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 2:02:49 PM | message detail |
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It couldn't rally against Mario? Nothing can rally against anything
unless it's at least at 47% or so in a 1v1. That's all rallying can do
for you- and there's a lot more to Starcraft than rallying. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
