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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 663

Yesmar | Posted 4/6/2009 10:44:18 AM | message detail
Random Votal Predictions:

DK/Punch-Out!!/Space Invaders/Tetris: 125,000
Mega Man 2/Pac-Man/Pong/The Oregon Trail: 125,000
Duck Hunt/Galaga/Ninja Gaiden/SMB: 114,000
Dragon Warrior III/Contra/LoZ/Metroid: 125,000

These should all probably be much worse, but being at the beginning of the contest should help them somewhat. I originally had them higher, but I worry that there's not much hype going into this contest.
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voltch | Posted 4/6/2009 11:08:43 AM | message detail
The SFF beatdowns of the games contest aren't likely to be as extreme as the first one,we had massive beatdowns in 04,but since then nothing like link/ganondorf.
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Heroic Common Sense | Posted 4/6/2009 11:09:29 AM | message detail

From: White_Turtle | Posted: 4/6/2009 10:45:53 AM | #246
Oh, and Ulti will be glad to know I picked up a copy of Earthbound for $5 at the pawn shop. Cartridge only, but one of the key SNES games I don't own.


YES.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/6/2009 11:28:49 AM | message detail
Last day before the brackets close.

What's your biggest upset pick?

I know a good bit of people prolly have this, but mine is FF7 > SMB3, I really do kind of see that as an upset pick. Even with another Zelda present, LTTP is no easy foe to beat.
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voltch | Posted 4/6/2009 11:31:42 AM | message detail
I think i got starcraft going far and MGS going down fairly early with MGS4 going very far.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/6/2009 11:39:11 AM | message detail
Metal Gear Solid kicking lots o' ass and taking second place. I've only seen one other bracket with the same end result as me.
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NP: Tetris > Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
ffmasterjose | Posted 4/6/2009 11:40:48 AM | message detail
Oh, I've also got FF8 taking first in Round 1 and second in Round 2, I'm hoping Starcraft/Blizzard in general end up bombing.

And Mortal Kombat II taking first in Round 1. Those are some of my big "If those come through I'll be happy" picks.

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NP: Tetris > Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 12:02:19 PM | message detail
Everyone I know has a Facebook, even old people. I have yet to meet a single person IRL that has a myspace. It's odd how small things like that are so radically different between Canada and the US

Same here.

Also my biggest upset pick is SMB3 going to the finals and WoW bombing along with other Blizzard titles. I also have Sonic titles doing well (S3 > SM, S2 > MMX)
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Yesmar | Posted 4/6/2009 12:06:08 PM | message detail
Agh. FFX Vs. Metal Gear Solid is driving me crazy. It decides the entire contest for me, and I don't know what to do. If only FFX making the finals didn't swing things into OoT's favor.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 12:08:13 PM | message detail
So are we gonna be having the crew analysis posts this contest along with the oracle topic this time
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 12:13:19 PM | message detail
So far I've found the oracle, spread betting and predict the percent...
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 12:49:37 PM | message detail
Biggest upset pick is FFVII > Starcraft (> OOT > LTTP) in the finals. Counting on LFF from LTTP + Standout Factor + Bandwagoning for this one.
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White_Turtle | Posted 4/6/2009 12:52:58 PM | message detail
Starcraft in the finals is a terrible pick, because the logic that takes Starcraft that far also takes Diablo that far, but those 2 meet in the quarters and screw eachother out.

Mega Man 2/Pac-Man/Pong/The Oregon Trail: 125,000

If this match breaks 100k I will be surprised.
Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/6/2009 12:53:02 PM | message detail
So can someone give me an analysis for Donkey Kong/Punch-Out! right quick, what side they support, and why? Because I can't stand it when I **** up the first match. I've got Punch-Out at the moment, but man I'm not so sure.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 12:54:04 PM | message detail
i've got punch out but for me its just a toss up, and in toss ups I'd rather not go with donkey kong
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 12:55:40 PM | message detail
I have Punch-Out with basically no reasoning except that Donkey Kong always finds a way to fail.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/6/2009 12:56:17 PM | message detail
The obvious Donkey-Kong choke job statistic is always a factor, but does Punch-Out really have much strength?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 12:57:32 PM | message detail

From: Masato_Tanaka | #267
The obvious Donkey-Kong choke job statistic is always a factor, but does Punch-Out really have much strength?


well, the new punch out is coming out in like a month so theres hype from that, but meh. I don't know how strong Punch Out is but I see it being popular enough to beat Donkey Kong

it HAS had a character make the field before even if it was a fodder character
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:02:26 PM | message detail
Starcraft in the finals is a terrible pick, because the logic that takes Starcraft that far also takes Diablo that far, but those 2 meet in the quarters and screw eachother out.

Eh, bandwagons haven't really started in earnest until round 4 or so the past 2 years, and I have Diablo going out in round 3 to SSBM and FFX. Starcraft losing to FF8 in round 2 I admit is a real danger, but that danger also evaporates if FF9 can beat Half-Life in round 1.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:03:35 PM | message detail
Not to mention if WoW makes it past round 3, it'll meet Starcraft, and their rallys will backfire against eachother if they both make it that far. Thats why I don't see any Blizzard games making the finals no matter what.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:04:49 PM | message detail
*meets in the semis I mean, not 4th round.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:07:58 PM | message detail
Well, I have World of Warcraft......losing in round 1. Yeah, I don't think it's in the league of the other 2 Blizzard games in anything but rallying. And you know, Starcraft would still have scored 48%+ on its opponents without its massive comebacks. I'm not saying that Starcraft placing in the finals is likely or anything, but it seems a fairly good upset to take.
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White_Turtle | Posted 4/6/2009 1:08:45 PM | message detail
I have Donkey Kong there simply because I think this is a classic example of people looking for an upset where none should exist. Punch out is so niche that I can't see it wining. Look at how Little Mac did in 2007 if you don't believe me.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:10:24 PM | message detail
I still don't understand this stigma about WoW not being as strong as the other 2 Blizzard games... Thats all Blizzard IS now, World of Warcraft. Its the most popular game in the world in terms of total constant players and how much its played, how can it be weaker then games that are blizzards "old" games now?
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:10:42 PM | message detail
I'm putting all my faith in the VC...
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/6/2009 1:11:48 PM | message detail
But Donkey Kong is a choker, and I wouldn't be surprised if it blows this match to Punch-Out. After all, it almost lost to Duck Hunt five years ago.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/6/2009 1:13:01 PM | message detail
WoW isn't stronger than Starcraft, but from the look of the "Have you ever played WoW?" polls, it's gotten bigger since it defeated the GTA series.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:13:17 PM | message detail
I am still shocked people are taking WoW to lose in the first round. Its like people don't realize really what WoW is and what its impact on modern gaming has been.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:13:36 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #277
WoW isn't stronger than Starcraft


Why not?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/6/2009 1:13:36 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #276
After all, it almost lost to Duck Hunt five years ago.


Which Punch-Out!! most certainly wouldn't beat..
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/6/2009 1:14:25 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #279
Why not?


I just can't see it. I guess it's a gut thing, but you don't come close to Wind Waker in 1vs1 ever with that low of playership.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:14:26 PM | message detail
Because this is Gamefaqs, not Blizzard.com. On Gamefaqs, more than half the site actively dislikes WoW, and playership is at 1/3 or something like that. Chrono Trigger manages to have double WoW's playership rate here despite having many millions fewer copies sold- having lower sales is no reason why the other 2 Blizzard games can't be stronger than WoW.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:14:49 PM | message detail
I still don't understand this stigma about WoW not being as strong as the other 2 Blizzard games... Thats all Blizzard IS now, World of Warcraft. Its the most popular game in the world in terms of total constant players and how much its played, how can it be weaker then games that are blizzards "old" games now?

This poll http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3328

WoW's rally will be small if it's not close to MGS3 and Halo 2 so if it's 5%+ away from second don't expect anything. Also while WoW's pool for rallying is huge if only a small, but dedicate fanbase is rallying unless it snowballs throughout the day I don't see it winning.
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White_Turtle | Posted 4/6/2009 1:15:31 PM | message detail
Well, there's a pretty big difference between Punch-out and Duck Hunt.

Duck Hunt sold a million bajillion copies and was bundled with the NES and SMB. The Zapper also helps set it apart from all the other NES games to a degree in people's minds.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:16:38 PM | message detail
I haven't seen any proof that Starcraft is more popular then WoW, and till I do; I stand that WoW is the strongest here.

Afterall, neither Warcraft nor Starcraft are character driven series, and WoW's strongest character > Starcrafts strongest character. That along is more proof that WoW > Starcraft then anybody has for Starcraft being stronger the WoW.

The only "proof" I see that Starcraft is stronger then WoW is people saying "But WoW wouldn't be able to do as well as Starcraft did!" By what facts? Your estimation of its strength? We've never seen WoWs strength, so thats just BS "proof".
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/6/2009 1:16:58 PM | message detail
From: MarioSuperStar / #280
From: Fayt_Esteed | #276
After all, it almost lost to Duck Hunt five years ago.


Which Punch-Out!! most certainly wouldn't beat..


Why would I pick Donkey Kong to advance? Knowing its history is just another reason to NOT pick it.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/6/2009 1:17:10 PM | message detail
People said the same thing about Duck Hunt that they are about Punch-Out. Hell, people called Duck Hunt a joke entrant. If you're looking at Little Mac's popularity as a character to define Punch-Out's popularity as a game, you're mistaken. I'd bet that Punch Out is more popular than Duck Hunt...

Plus with Tetris being there to suck up votes, Donkey Kong has even less margin of error for his annual choke job. All Punch Out has to have is its solid core of fans (it does), and DK chokes out like Mike Tyson choked Robin Givens.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:18:23 PM | message detail
This poll http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3328

Thats 40k people who have played WoW... and going by our normal vote totals of 120-140k, thats enough to win the entire thing if they vote for it every time due to static percentage.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/6/2009 1:18:30 PM | message detail
We have. It struggled to beat GTA.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:18:49 PM | message detail
I haven't seen any proof that Starcraft is more popular then WoW, and till I do; I stand that WoW is the strongest here.

Afterall, neither Warcraft nor Starcraft are character driven series, and WoW's strongest character > Starcrafts strongest character. That along is more proof that WoW > Starcraft then anybody has for Starcraft being stronger the WoW.

The only "proof" I see that Starcraft is stronger then WoW is people saying "But WoW wouldn't be able to do as well as Starcraft did!" By what facts? Your estimation of its strength? We've never seen WoWs strength, so thats just BS "proof".


And you have no proof that WoW is stronger than Starcraft so it's my word against yours until proven different...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:19:46 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #289
We have. It struggled to beat GTA.


No, the series struggled to Beat GTA, when most of WoW playesr have never played the previous games of the serise so they might not relate to a series they've played one game of.


And you have no proof that WoW is stronger than Starcraft so it's my word against yours until proven different...


Arthas > Kerrigan is more proof then anything the Starcraft > WoW people have.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:20:00 PM | message detail
Well, on The List, Starcraft came in at #18, Diablo 2 at #20, and World of Warcraft at #39. But really, I can't imagine Starcraft having as low a playership rate as WoW does here, and still being able to do what it did in 2004. If you want to say that you can actually have contest strength with 1/3 playership, and this is the case for Starcraft.....go ahead.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:21:09 PM | message detail
Thats 40k people who have played WoW... and going by our normal vote totals of 120-140k, thats enough to win the entire thing if they vote for it every time due to static percentage.

Yes because if you played WoW it is automatically your favourite game. If anything the 21k that stopped playing probably won't vote for it over that much because if you loved the game why did you stop playing?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:21:49 PM | message detail
Not to mention even with the 40k people that have played it due to the poll shown, that lacks rallied votes. And we can easily get another 10k from rallies to bring it up to 50k, and with polls about 140k... would 35% static percentage NOT win the contest?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:22:15 PM | message detail
If anything the 21k that stopped playing probably won't vote for it over that much because if you loved the game why did you stop playing?

I don't play Chrono Trigger constantly but I still vote for it.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/6/2009 1:22:18 PM | message detail
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 1:23:12 PM | message detail
Arthas > Kerrigan is more proof then anything the Starcraft > WoW people have.

Not really Arthas is more Warcraft than WoW and as you've said WoW fans don't really like Warcraft. Also I find that Warcraft's character are more prominent than Starcraft's characters.
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Big Bob | Posted 4/6/2009 1:23:13 PM | message detail
A recommendation to the crew this year:

Keep it short.

Especially you, NGamer. I know you love your long, long, writeups, but I honestly don't give a **** if Game A would get 37.53% on Game B in 2004. Too much analysis, and I stop caring. Most of the crew is actually just fine; a single paragraph, maybe two or three if it's a big match, talking about what each game's odds are and why they're that way, and your justification of your pick. Those are modest, short, and interesting to read, much more than overwhelming us with statistics.


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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:24:41 PM | message detail
Not really Arthas is more Warcraft than WoW and as you've said WoW fans don't really like Warcraft.

Arthas did way better with his WoW pic then his WC3 pic, so with the hype of Wrath of the Lich King, it was most likely he got the majority of his support from WoW players.

And Kerrigan IS the entire story of the expansion pack, and a good chunk of the original game, why wouldn't she be as popular as a character from a "lesser" game?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/6/2009 1:25:51 PM | message detail
I mean hell, I'm not even sure if Kerrigan would beat HOGGER.
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