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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 663

MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 8:21:50 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #146
Putting faith in any one Mega Man game makes no sense. This is Final Fantasy 6 disease.


It's still called Mega Man, at least. Where does the series get its strength from?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 8:22:08 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/5/2009 11:18:22 PM | #148
Don't forget that Pong will be dragging Pac-Man as well.


Yeah but there is no way to know how that trio will go. Pac-Man and Pong we at least know were SFFd twice, but Pac-Man would murder that match. Oregon Trail is relying on too many things.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 8:23:38 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | Posted: 4/5/2009 11:21:50 PM | #151
It's still called Mega Man, at least. Where does the series get its strength from?


FF6 IS STRONG SO A CHARACTER FROM THE GAME JUST HAS TO BE LET'S NOMINATE GAU NEXT TIME GUYS WE WILL FIND THE SECRET CODE YET.

I'm convinced all the Mega Man games will bomb, with the possible exception of Mega Man X.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/5/2009 8:24:07 PM | message detail
It's still called Mega Man, at least. Where does the series get its strength from?

The 50 or so Mega Man games?

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 8:24:40 PM | message detail

From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 4/5/2009 11:21:47 PM | #150
You guys are worrying about all the wrong matches. WTF.


We've discussed the late matches to death, and a lot of them rely on chain reactions from earlier matches. Sure this format is bad, but it makes for the ultimate chain reaction contest.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 8:25:32 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 4/5/2009 11:24:07 PM | #154
It's still called Mega Man, at least. Where does the series get its strength from?

The 50 or so Mega Man games?


ONE OF THE 100 MEGA MAN GAMES JUST HAS TO BE STRONG GUYS LET'S NOMINATE THEM ALL.
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ZFS | Posted 4/5/2009 8:25:41 PM | message detail
Mega Man's strength probably isn't any one individual game -- it's all the games and series within the series that give the character his popularity. Still, MM2 shouldn't have any problem with Tetris, a game that's bound to fold against anything with a real fanbase.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/5/2009 8:25:48 PM | message detail
The Mega Man games can bomb. That would still leave more than enough room for them to beat a pushover like Tetris.

Seriously, that division is so weak I think we're forgetting how little that game is actually worth. Then again, I remember arguments for it beating, say, LoZ last time around too (and look how that turned out !!).
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 8:26:44 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1834

Old, but it seems to me that most of it is between X and the original Mega Man.

Games to characters is one thing, but Series to games.. I can't see it ending up like that.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/5/2009 8:27:50 PM | message detail
GE007/SMRPG/RE2
GTA:SA/GoW/Oblivion
Halo2/MGS3/WoW
TP/FFXII/HL2
GTA:VC/KH/MP

These 5 matches. Ugh.

BTW, all Mega Man games won't impress in R1 (except MMX) because of their HORRIBLE HORRIBLE box art.

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 8:27:56 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm expecting the Mega Man games to bomb.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 8:28:19 PM | message detail
I don't know besides the obvious games and maybe Tetris I don't see MM2 losing to any other game from the 8-bit era.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 8:29:55 PM | message detail
Seriously, that division is so weak I think we're forgetting how little that game is actually worth. Then again, I remember arguments for it beating, say, LoZ last time around too (and look how that turned out !!).

That was like one or two people.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 8:32:25 PM | message detail
GE007/SMRPG/RE2
GTA:SA/GoW/Oblivion
Halo2/MGS3/WoW
TP/FFXII/HL2
GTA:VC/KH/MP

These 5 matches. Ugh.


We'll talk about those when they get closer.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 8:32:33 PM | message detail
LoZ was always a lock to murder Tetris, but look at what Tetris did before that match. You're insane if you think it's not an elite-level NES game capable of rolling heads.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 8:32:34 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1650

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1890

Yeah.. that is a pretty terrible collapse especially considering how it handled Pong and Galaga.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 8:33:02 PM | message detail

From: Dilated Chemist | Posted: 4/5/2009 11:27:50 PM | #160
GE007/SMRPG/RE2
GTA:SA/GoW/Oblivion
Halo2/MGS3/WoW
TP/FFXII/HL2
GTA:VC/KH/MP

These 5 matches. Ugh.

BTW, all Mega Man games won't impress in R1 (except MMX) because of their HORRIBLE HORRIBLE box art.


The WoW match is the only one up in the air, personally.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/5/2009 8:35:56 PM | message detail
That was like one or two people.

I'm not exactly feeling a groundswell of support for Tetris > MM, either - the point is that the idea itself is ludicrous! I get it, people think Mega Man games are gonna bomb, that's perfectly reasonable. But this is like Star Ocean > Pokemon - looking for an upset where one will never materialize. Tetris couldn't even triple Pong...
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transience | Posted 4/5/2009 8:37:28 PM | message detail
LoZ was always a lock to murder Tetris, but look at what Tetris did before that match. You're insane if you think it's not an elite-level NES game capable of rolling heads.

beating Galaga and Pong? excuse me while I catch my breath.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 8:39:19 PM | message detail
Tetris couldn't even triple Pong...


...or quadruple Galaga, for that matter.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 8:39:56 PM | message detail
I'm not exactly feeling a groundswell of support for Tetris > MM, either - the point is that the idea itself is ludicrous! I get it, people think Mega Man games are gonna bomb, that's perfectly reasonable. But this is like Star Ocean > Pokemon - looking for an upset where one will never materialize. Tetris couldn't even triple Pong...

Wow, Tetris destroying Pong was an achievement, not a bad thing. MM2 should be the favourite, but Tetris does have a realistic chance.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 8:40:56 PM | message detail
How about Metroid vs. Tetris?
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transience | Posted 4/5/2009 8:41:47 PM | message detail
that's a tossup, probably. I'd go Tetris but wouldn't be too surprised if Metroid won.
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/5/2009 8:41:54 PM | message detail
All right, time to start this crap!
MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 8:42:18 PM | message detail
I'm not entirely sure about that one...
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/5/2009 8:44:19 PM | message detail
Wait, it usually is a few days after the submission deadline before the contest starts, right? Damn. At least we know it will start soon.
ZFS | Posted 4/5/2009 8:45:14 PM | message detail
Contest always starts the night the brackets are due, I think.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 9:02:42 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3444&region=CA

Canada sure loves its Facebook.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/5/2009 9:03:14 PM | message detail
Yes, I entered weeks ago 26.37% 130
Yes, I just got my entry in 5.27% 26
Oops! I nearly forgot, thanks for reminding me 2.84% 14
Not yet, I plan to wait until the last second 2.43% 12
No, I can't be bothered to enter a bracket 63.08% 311
TOTAL VOTES 493


Jesus, the first option is getting owned even with an expected strong board vote (I imagine so).
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transience | Posted 4/5/2009 9:03:50 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3444&region=BR

what's going on here
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transience | Posted 4/5/2009 9:04:50 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3444&region=PH

why did the Philippines lose some options?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/5/2009 9:05:08 PM | message detail
Yes, I entered weeks ago 26.03% 145
Yes, I just got my entry in 5.21% 29
Oops! I nearly forgot, thanks for reminding me 2.87% 16
Not yet, I plan to wait until the last second 2.69% 15
No, I can't be bothered to enter a bracket 63.2% 352
TOTAL VOTES 557


207 vote lead at the freeze.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 9:05:14 PM | message detail
Is that a Brazilian site?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 9:05:29 PM | message detail

From: transience | #181
why did the Philippines lose some options?


Probably because the rest were 0.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 9:06:00 PM | message detail
why did the Philippines lose some options?

If an option has 0 votes it won't show up.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/5/2009 9:06:16 PM | message detail
why did the Philippines lose some options?

Because no one from the Philippines had voted for some of the options.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 9:07:57 PM | message detail
Today's poll is going as expected

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2862
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/5/2009 9:19:22 PM | message detail
Man, "Yes, I entered weeks ago" just collapsed big time on that update.

charmander6000 | Posted 4/6/2009 12:02:42 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3444&region=CA

Canada sure loves its Facebook.


And MySpace appears to not be popular there at all.

Also, this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3444&region=EUR

That would explain why "I don't use any social networking sites" was cutting Facebook's lead in the BSV/early morning vote.
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creativename | Posted 4/5/2009 10:12:56 PM | message detail
Wow, I didn't realize until just now as I was filling out my Oracle that Duck Hunt was in the same match with Super Mario Bros.! What's that all about. In the same match with a game it was on the same freakin' cartridge with!? Alas Poor Duck Hunt! Woe is thee.

This could be one of the most massive SFF beatdowns we've ever seen!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 10:43:00 PM | message detail
Bacon should do a match pic with 3 pics; with duck hunt and mario bros both using the same cartridge pic
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 10:43:31 PM | message detail
And Duck Hunt will still get second place.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 10:45:39 PM | message detail
if duck hunt gets second, im officially labeling ninja gaiden the biggest choker of the any contest entree ever
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 10:47:35 PM | message detail
And Duck Hunt will still get second place.

This is what I'm thinking.
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creativename | Posted 4/5/2009 10:52:58 PM | message detail
I think it's almost a coin-toss as to which will get second place, but I give a slight edge to Ninja Gaiden.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 11:53:32 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 4/6/2009 1:45:39 AM | #192
if duck hunt gets second, im officially labeling ninja gaiden the biggest choker of the any contest entree ever


As well you should, but run a search on "Ninja Gaiden". It sucks in every poll it's ever been in to a legendary degree, and Duck Hunt can seriously advance with 9-10% of the vote.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/6/2009 12:07:20 AM | message detail
Less than 24 hours to go! I'm pumped for this thing.
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creativename | Posted 4/6/2009 12:12:25 AM | message detail
In preparation for the looming contest, I've read just about every post in this thread...

People think there was SFF in MGS/RE back in 04? I don't really see why would be the case.

transience
2004 is just completely screwed up. 2008 will be, too. that's just how games are.

(I'm assuming you mean 2009) I wouldn't say it's *always* how games are - but it will definitely be the case when matches are idiotically divided into generations.

Which, coincidentally enough, is happening again. (how do you make the same stupid mistake twice? Ugh. Even back before the contest in 04 everyone here knew it was a bad idea)

Now there is something to this tending to be the case with games moreso than characters - characters aren't quite as tied to generations as specific games are, so games will tend to have more SFF/LFF stuff going on. But with a non-generational bracket it would be much less of a problem.

You're absolutely right though - this year's %age results will be even *more* complete gibberish than 4-way stats usually are - and that's saying something! Will be lots of weird stuff that, really, we shouldn't even bother trying to explain just because it's "unexpected".


KH
Because no one likes the original Metroid. Mega Man 2, in contrast, is a stellar experience even today.

What are you talking about? Metroid was a pretty big game back when I was a kid in that era. Everyone knew about Samus and "the ending". The franchise grew bigger, and Mega Man games were more popular back then (largely because there was more of them as opposed to one Metroid), but I wouldn't say the difference was big.


charmander
Watch Tetris pull an L-Block

Actually one thing that I randomly wondered about was Tetris getting some L-Block joke vote boost. But I discounted that pretty quickly, if that it should be pretty minor and a non-factor.

And in terms of actual joke bandwagon possibilities, yeah, Oregon Trail is obviously the pick there. But even in its weak division it can't actually go anywhere.

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creativename | Posted 4/6/2009 12:15:19 AM | message detail
Ulti
I'm still trying to figure out why Mega Man 2 gets lumped in with the NES games that could cause all other NES games to collapse. Zelda 1, Mario 1, Mario 3, Final Fantasy and Tetris is the entire list.

I have MM2>Tetris, and didn't think much about it at the time, but now that you point it out I suppose that should be a questionable match. I've always thought people overrated the Mega Man franchise and its games - this could be a case of that.

FF6 IS STRONG SO A CHARACTER FROM THE GAME JUST HAS TO BE LET'S NOMINATE GAU NEXT TIME GUYS WE WILL FIND THE SECRET CODE YET.

I still say Shadow would be the strongest character from that game :) Not that he'd be anywhere near the game in strength though.


KH
Seriously, that division is so weak I think we're forgetting how little that game is actually worth. Then again, I remember arguments for it beating, say, LoZ last time around too (and look how that turned out !!).

Really? I remember trying to lead the LoZ bandwagon pre-contest (I bracketed LoZ>SMB3 actually, although I thought SMB3 would probably win I thought it was a great upset pick), but I don't remember others doubting LoZ *that* much.

I'm not exactly feeling a groundswell of support for Tetris > MM, either - the point is that the idea itself is ludicrous! I get it, people think Mega Man games are gonna bomb, that's perfectly reasonable. But this is like Star Ocean > Pokemon - looking for an upset where one will never materialize. Tetris couldn't even triple Pong...

I really disagree, this isn't remotely like that. I don't think MM2 is all that above Tetris.


Luster
Jesus, the first option is getting owned even with an expected strong board vote (I imagine so).

4-way brackets are seriously a ***** to enter.

I'd imagine a fair percentage of people actually start to make a bracket and lose interest midway, or just look at the mess and hit "back" on their browser asap.
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creativename | Posted 4/6/2009 12:16:53 AM | message detail
Duck Hunt can seriously advance with 9-10% of the vote.

Well that's a bit of an exaggeration :) I think SMB will be a beast, but you should still need 15% to advance there.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/6/2009 12:23:32 AM | message detail
You would honestly be surprised if you saw this?

Mario 1 73%
Duck Hunt 10%
Galaga 9%
Ninja Gaiden 8%

It's not that big a stretch, though Galaga is getting overlooked like nothing else.
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