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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 663

MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 4:02:19 PM | message detail
I also guess that depends on where you see MMX's strength.. if it's near LoZ or Majora's Mask, I'd take it over LA easily.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/5/2009 4:02:22 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #099
As far as MMX/LA, seeing as LOZ devastated Mega Man X in the series contest, you can't really write off Link's Awakening.


The big thing is portable entries are not taken as seriously in their userbases as their console counterparts are. That's the big argument in that match. All LA has to offer in that match is the Zelda brand name and we will see that put to the test.

It's a huge match in that case, we'll see how well portable games and their brand recognition stand up to the big boys.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 4:07:48 PM | message detail
I also guess that depends on where you see MMX's strength.. if it's near LoZ or Majora's Mask, I'd take it over LA easily.

Either way, I dunno. Link's Awakening may show us just how much franchise votes are really worth. I brought it up considering that Mega Man seems to get SFFed by Nintendo (see Mario/Zero in 2005, Link/Mega Man in 2004, and Luigi > Zero in 2006).
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 4:09:14 PM | message detail
I never really thought those Mario/Luigi vs Zero matches were SFF. Zero went on and bombed in the next few contests.

LoZ/Link vs Mega Man is the best case we have though, but I don't think it's enough. I mean, I wouldn't take Mario Land over X...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 4:44:00 PM | message detail
So Bacon better not delay this again.. right now, its less then a day till bracket shutdown!
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/5/2009 4:57:21 PM | message detail
The only match Tetris will take 1st in is in Round One. The rest of the way to the Semifinals it will sneak by everyone.

GO TETRIS!

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/5/2009 4:58:30 PM | message detail
And if Mega Man X loses to Link's Awakening. This contest is BS.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 4:58:40 PM | message detail
punchout > donkey kong here we come
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Lopen | Posted 4/5/2009 4:58:44 PM | message detail
Tetris won't be sneaking past a damn thing. If Zelda alone can SFF it down to 25% imagine what Zelda, Mega Man 2, and SMB can do to it, for example.
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Mr3790 | Posted 4/5/2009 5:01:09 PM | message detail
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/5/2009 5:03:46 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #109
Tetris won't be sneaking past a damn thing. If Zelda alone can SFF it down to 25% imagine what Zelda, Mega Man 2, and SMB can do to it, for example.


That was 2004! This is 4-way polls and Link couldn't SFF L-Block.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 5:04:50 PM | message detail

From: Dilated Chemist | #111
That was 2004! This is 4-way polls and Link couldn't SFF L-Block.


thats cuz Link isn't a joke character. The Dog LFF'd L Block more then Link could ever hope to hurt him
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/5/2009 5:06:27 PM | message detail
Another thing I'm counting on with Tetris is momentum.

See: L-Block.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/5/2009 5:36:29 PM | message detail
I'm worried about Halo2/MGS3/Okami/WoW.

I have MGS3 > WoW but damn, I can see any combination make it. This match has the potential to ruin alot of brackets.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 5:53:51 PM | message detail
Okami isn't making it no matter what. But you are right it has the potential to ruin brackets... due to WoW is such a wildcard. Who knows what it'll do
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/5/2009 5:53:59 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #104
I never really thought those Mario/Luigi vs Zero matches were SFF. Zero went on and bombed in the next few contests.

LoZ/Link vs Mega Man is the best case we have though, but I don't think it's enough. I mean, I wouldn't take Mario Land over X...


Zero looked fine in 2007 until he ran into Link, and Ryu Hayabusa is a complete enigma so it's silly to base anything off of him.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/5/2009 5:55:17 PM | message detail
WoW > Halo 2 was an easy choice for me. WoW > MGS3 is possible if Halo 2 blows it, but I can't see the weakest MGS advancing there.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/5/2009 5:56:00 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #115
Okami isn't making it no matter what. But you are right it has the potential to ruin brackets... due to WoW is such a wildcard. Who knows what it'll do


Yeah, WoW really is the game upon which Blizzard rallying will be put to the test as a factor in this contest (I've said this many times, but it is true).

Halo 2 has a really good chance of choking this one as well, given past history of Halo/MC (except 2007).
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/5/2009 6:00:23 PM | message detail
I'm curious, do brackets close at midnight tonight, or midnight tomorrow? Does the contest start right after brackets close?

IIRC, brackets used to close around 6pm the day before the first poll.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 6:00:53 PM | message detail
Ryu Hayabusa is no enigma. You don't go from 46% on Luigi to barely beating Ryu Hayabusa especially if you think Zero is underrated.

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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/5/2009 6:02:02 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #119
I'm curious, do brackets close at midnight tonight, or midnight tomorrow? Does the contest start right after brackets close?

IIRC, brackets used to close around 6pm the day before the first poll.


7pm PST on April 6th.

It's on the contest rules page.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 6:13:50 PM | message detail
If Zero didn't do all that bad in 2007 and 2008, I'm more inclined to believe than Luigi kicking Zero's face in was SFF.
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Vortex268 | Posted 4/5/2009 6:14:48 PM | message detail
what happened to the bracket analysis topics that used to be a fixture of past contests?
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transience | Posted 4/5/2009 6:15:44 PM | message detail
this bracket is so random that no one really bothered, or they did it in the first couple of days quickly. we'll have a big topic up for each match when the whole thing starts.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 6:16:16 PM | message detail
Besides, you don't even have to look at Mario or Luigi to know that Zero fell. You can look at Ryu Hayabusa. How do you go 50/50 with somebody you beat 63/37 3 years prior?
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 6:16:27 PM | message detail
What about that pic with the four guys crying out in joy/outrage when Mario took the lead?
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Yesmar | Posted 4/5/2009 6:22:28 PM | message detail
Am I the only one with Galaga advancing to Round 2? I was surprised it never comes up in close BOP matches. With SMB SFFing Duck Hunt, and Ninja Gaiden probably not being worth much, I think it has a shot. Adjusting for SFF, Galaga's probably not that far from Metal Gear which is probably somewhat comparable to Ninja Gaiden.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 4/5/2009 6:24:04 PM | message detail
Duck Hunt is on my bracket. I realize that SMB/DH is probably the best example of SFF ever, but I still just think it'll win. I dunno why.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 6:26:49 PM | message detail
Who knows. Duck Hunt went even with Donkey Kong, which is better than I could trust either of Galaga or Ninja Gaiden to do. (And speaking of Galaga, it nearly got quadrupled by Tetris.)
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/5/2009 6:52:13 PM | message detail
Galaga was massacred by Tetris in 2004, I don't think it can build up a defense in it's four-pack to get to second.

It's really between Duck Hunt and Ninja Gaiden. If SMB does SFF the former, the latter is in a better spot to edge into second than Galaga. Again, I don't have faith in Galaga because of how badly it was crushed in 2004.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 6:58:08 PM | message detail
duck hunt has the worst type of SFF there is

same cartridge SFF

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 6:58:42 PM | message detail
what happened to the bracket analysis topics that used to be a fixture of past contests?

That was done about a month ago. The analysis crew and other people will post their daily analysis so expect a few tomorrow.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 6:59:02 PM | message detail
One thing you forget to understand about SFF, is that how severe it is can't really be judged by how close they are.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/5/2009 6:59:15 PM | message detail
Yeah, I think we'll see massive SFF on Duck Hunt which will allow Ninja Gaiden to slip into second.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 7:01:18 PM | message detail
But Ninja Gaiden has stunk up the joint in every single poll it's been in.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 7:02:30 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #135
But Ninja Gaiden has stunk up the joint in every single poll it's been in.


if it fails in this poll with same cartridge sff then it really is a loser
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 7:08:36 PM | message detail
And that's something that isn't really a stretch.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/5/2009 7:32:49 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #135
But Ninja Gaiden has stunk up the joint in every single poll it's been in.


I'm not saying it's strong, just that Duck Hunt is going to be thrashed.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 7:38:45 PM | message detail
I'm not saying it's strong, just that Duck Hunt is going to be thrashed.

OK, but Duck Hunt is still the most known game aside from SMB in that poll. And again, it's not like Galaga of Ninja Gaiden would've gone even with Donkey Kong. But we'll see come match time.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 7:40:27 PM | message detail
I'm still trying to figure out why Mega Man 2 gets lumped in with the NES games that could cause all other NES games to collapse. Zelda 1, Mario 1, Mario 3, Final Fantasy and Tetris is the entire list.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/5/2009 7:42:33 PM | message detail
So where does it show MGS3 is considered the weakest in the series?

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 7:51:41 PM | message detail
Ulti may have a point seeing how far away Mega Man as a series is from FF, Mario, and Zelda.

At the same time, however, I can't see Tetris being that much more liked than Mario Kart, or any of the other series Mega Man is capable of beating. I'm basically counting on MM2 getting enough franchise power over it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 7:52:13 PM | message detail
I'm still trying to figure out why Mega Man 2 gets lumped in with the NES games that could cause all other NES games to collapse. Zelda 1, Mario 1, Mario 3, Final Fantasy and Tetris is the entire list.

MM2 won't SFF everything, but it can still SFF Pac-Man.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/5/2009 7:58:10 PM | message detail
I don't see how anybody is taking Tetris over Mega Man 2.

They claim that match with Zelda was SFF, but that makes no sense since Tetris has been released on everything under the sun and would logically overlap with everything the same. Tetris is going to get destroyed.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 8:12:29 PM | message detail
They claim that match with Zelda was SFF, but that makes no sense since Tetris has been released on everything under the sun and would logically overlap with everything the same. Tetris is going to get destroyed.

It's called Pac-Man syndrome, just because they know about you doesn't mean they'll like you. For example Mario SFF Pac-Man.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 8:15:33 PM | message detail
Putting faith in any one Mega Man game makes no sense. This is Final Fantasy 6 disease.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 8:17:17 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/5/2009 10:52:13 PM | #143
I'm still trying to figure out why Mega Man 2 gets lumped in with the NES games that could cause all other NES games to collapse. Zelda 1, Mario 1, Mario 3, Final Fantasy and Tetris is the entire list.

MM2 won't SFF everything, but it can still SFF Pac-Man.


I am *so* tempted to pick Oregon Trail taking second place there, but for some reason I doubt joke rallies will do anything the second day of the contest. That plus after Mega Man 2, Pac-Man is far and away the most appealing game in that poll. Oregon Trail has to rely on MM2 pulling off legendary SFF, but the days of Mega Man killing Yoshi are long gone.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 8:18:22 PM | message detail
Don't forget that Pong will be dragging Pac-Man as well.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/5/2009 8:18:51 PM | message detail
If Zero didn't do all that bad in 2007 and 2008, I'm more inclined to believe than Luigi kicking Zero's face in was SFF.

It wasn't. Zero got his ass handed to him by Luigi, got edged by Ryu H (who he got 63% on three years beforehand), and then showed that neither were flukes by nearly choking against Vivi. Like Sonic, it's time to stop making excuses for the guy.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/5/2009 8:21:47 PM | message detail
You guys are worrying about all the wrong matches. WTF.

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