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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 663

Heroic Common Sense | Posted 4/5/2009 11:35:35 AM | message detail

From: voltch | Posted: 4/5/2009 12:12:06 PM | #048
ooh,666 soon,wonder which match will be blessed by the devil.


I'm guessing the second or third match, both of which seem pretty boring.
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voltch | Posted 4/5/2009 12:12:03 PM | message detail
which is why some crazy upset will occur.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 12:15:03 PM | message detail
Oh crap, Oregon Trail is up during 666.

TIME TO BAIL OT WINS THE CONTEST.
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voltch | Posted 4/5/2009 12:16:06 PM | message detail
oh dear,every game's gonna die of dysentry.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 12:17:05 PM | message detail
The Oregon Trail could come in second. If Metroid SFF Pac-Man, what's stopping MM2 from doing the same? Also Pong will be dragging it down with LFF.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 12:21:42 PM | message detail
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/5/2009 12:21:51 PM | message detail
Plus, hey, who remembers this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=968
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 12:33:22 PM | message detail
We really need Ms. Pac-Man to come back...

Also does anyone think SBAllen is doing the pictures himself?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 12:35:06 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/5/2009 3:17:05 PM | #055
The Oregon Trail could come in second. If Metroid SFF Pac-Man, what's stopping MM2 from doing the same? Also Pong will be dragging it down with LFF.


HERE WE GO.

Actually, did Metroid truly SFF Pac-Man? I remember something like 65-35 in that match.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 12:36:24 PM | message detail
Yes, because Ms. Pac-Man is equivalent to Pac-Man the video game which cleanly beat a game that equals Duck Hunt.

I don't expect Pac-Man to get any less than 20% against Mega Man II in a direct match.

Anyway, some interesting stuff about Perfect Dark:

- It's projected to get about 56% on G/S/C without accounting for Xenogears/FF7 SFF and Goldeneye/OoT SFF. I kinda see these two games as suffering about the same amount.

- In that case, you also must account for Pokemon being a lot bigger than it was in 2004. This makes G/S/C probably get in the mid 40's.

So how much bigger is R/B/Y than G/S/C? Well, looking at the list, I'd say that's the only thing pointing to R/B/Y clearly being above G/S/C.

I suppose Pokemon R/B/Y > PD in a direct match, but I'm not sure how LFF even plays here. It may be the only mature game, but three N64 games do hurt.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/5/2009 12:39:13 PM | message detail
I like Oregon Trail's chances- it definitely stands out there. Pac-Man's greatest advantage over it, recognizability, doesn't matter nearly as much in a 4-way poll.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 1:05:41 PM | message detail
Actually, did Metroid truly SFF Pac-Man? I remember something like 65-35 in that match.

Either that or Metroid got a ton of franchise votes.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 1:09:26 PM | message detail
when it comes to that era and you're not popular, franchise votes can easily kill you.

Though if Pac-Man can break 30% on Metroid, why couldn't it outlast even 20 or 25% on Mega Man II?

And yes, I think MM2 > Metroid.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 1:14:35 PM | message detail
Well how high do you think MM2 will get in that match?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/5/2009 1:16:55 PM | message detail
Though if Pac-Man can break 30% on Metroid, why couldn't it outlast even 20 or 25% on Mega Man II?

Because no one likes the original Metroid. Mega Man 2, in contrast, is a stellar experience even today.

Not to say Pac-Man is guaranteed to get/not get a certain percentage in that match, but that Metroid match means nothing outside of how much franchise votes can do alone.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 1:24:45 PM | message detail
I dunno how high MM2 will get, but in comparison to Pac-Man.... I can't see it getting any less than 20%. Farthest maybe a couple of points.

If Pong can avoid a tripling from Tetris, I figure Pac-man can avoid a quadrupling from Mega Man.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 1:54:07 PM | message detail
I like the original Metroid quite a lot, WTF Karma.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 1:54:34 PM | message detail
I'm so tempted to take Oregon Trail just for the hell of it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/5/2009 1:59:44 PM | message detail
I like the original Metroid quite a lot, WTF Karma.

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/5/2009 2:01:10 PM | message detail
I'm cool with the original Metroid too, though it's probably just for nostalgia and I know I'm in the minority.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/5/2009 2:01:49 PM | message detail
The original Metroid has probably aged worse than any game in existance.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 2:02:06 PM | message detail
The hell is wrong with the original Metroid?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 2:02:39 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 4/5/2009 5:01:49 PM | #071
The original Metroid has probably aged worse than any game in existance.


Hydlide, or however it's spelled.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/5/2009 2:09:02 PM | message detail
Hydlide was never good in the first place.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 2:09:26 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #072
The hell is wrong with the original Metroid?


You're joking, yeah?
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Tohoya | Posted 4/5/2009 2:09:56 PM | message detail
Pokemon R/B/Y does have some stand-out ability as the most loved handheld game in a sea of N64 games, but they're still Nintendo systems from the same time-frame and it still has Pokemon against a major LoZ-game. PD will also stand out as the only FPS-game and certainly the most mature of them.

PD is going to have way more LFF overlap with Zelda than Pokemon does. Pokemon has broad appeal beyond the standard Nintendo demographics, and was also on the Game Boy, which everyone and their dog had; the N64 was pretty much restricted to diehard Nintendo fans, whereas a whole lot of Final Fantasy and MGS-loving Sony fans had a Game Boy with Pokemon on it.

Also, Oregon Trail to round 3!
SonicRaptor | Posted 4/5/2009 2:11:41 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #072
The hell is wrong with the original Metroid?


It just feels like the Metroid concept wasn't really realized until Super Metroid. The original gets points for being the first and the nostalgia attached, but it's Super Metroid that IS the perfection of 2D Metroid.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 2:11:57 PM | message detail
Round 3 is a stretch. You're asking it to outlast Tetris and Mega Man 2 in the same poll.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 2:12:21 PM | message detail
Also, Oregon Trail to round 3!

Tetris would have to get less against MM2 than it did against LoZ.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 2:12:25 PM | message detail

From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 4/5/2009 5:11:41 PM | #077
It just feels like the Metroid concept wasn't really realized until Super Metroid. The original gets points for being the first and the nostalgia attached, but it's Super Metroid that IS the perfection of 2D Metroid.


Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is the perfection of 2D Metroid =p
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 2:12:51 PM | message detail
original metroid is very innovative and originals, but the fact is; its been FAR surpassed and is almost unplayabel compared to the metroidvanias that have come since
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 2:13:05 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 4/5/2009 5:12:21 PM | #079
Also, Oregon Trail to round 3!

Tetris would have to get less against MM2 than it did against LoZ.


Speaking of this, what's up with all the MM2 > Tetris picks?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 2:13:31 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #082
Speaking of this, what's up with all the MM2 > Tetris picks?


tetris isn't very strong.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 2:16:35 PM | message detail
Watch Tetris pull an L-Block

>_>
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 2:20:51 PM | message detail
L block has joke votes but maybe a couple people who vote L block will go for Tetris that didnt in 2004, but meh.

Tetris (2004g) has a strength of 20.75 against Base Link.

Its fodder line in 2004... I see MM2 being above fodder.
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Tohoya | Posted 4/5/2009 2:21:13 PM | message detail
Oregon Trail is clearly the joke entrant in the field! Watch as its 25% support in all polls gets it to the 3rd round!
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 2:22:46 PM | message detail

From: Tohoya | #086
Oregon Trail is clearly the joke entrant in the field! Watch as its 25% support in all polls gets it to the 3rd round!


tbqh i wouldnt be surprised if 4chan backed it
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/5/2009 2:26:00 PM | message detail
Tetris was obviously SFFd to hell and back by Zelda in 2004.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 2:27:39 PM | message detail
L block has joke votes but maybe a couple people who vote L block will go for Tetris that didnt in 2004, but meh.

I was kidding

Tetris (2004g) has a strength of 20.75 against Base Link.

Its fodder line in 2004... I see MM2 being above fodder.


lol at placing games in a character x-stats, until we get a character vs. game contest let's try not to do that. Also like some many other games in that division Tetris was SFF by LoZ. I actually see Tetris holding its own against MM2.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 2:32:04 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #088
Tetris was obviously SFFd to hell and back by Zelda in 2004.


And what makes you think this, exactly? I don't see why a game thats been on every platform imaginable would be sff'd by one nintendo game. Sure, it might of been hurt a little, but it shouldnt of been hurt that much.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 2:36:39 PM | message detail
And what makes you think this, exactly? I don't see why a game thats been on every platform imaginable would be sff'd by one nintendo game. Sure, it might of been hurt a little, but it shouldnt of been hurt that much.

Let's put it this way, Tetris suffers from Pac-Man syndrome, sure we know you and don't dislike you, but if something more iconic comes along we'll drop you like a rock.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/5/2009 2:37:50 PM | message detail
Yeah I guess thats true. But I just don't buy Nintendo SFF being significant with Tetris
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/5/2009 2:44:52 PM | message detail
I don't think being Nintendo has anything to do with it, as long as the game is iconic and bigger than Tetris should be able to SFF it. I wouldn't be surprised if Final Fantasy did the same thing, not that we'll know in this contest.
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Board Odds Project | Posted 4/5/2009 3:41:11 PM | message detail
Who did you take in MMX/LA in round 2 (tied) or the first match of round 4 (SMB3 is the favourite for both 1st and 2nd)?

FF3 > MMX
Choosing LA in Round 2 isn't even an option since it's supposed to be eliminated in Round 1. I haven't decided on what to do if LA takes the lead for the Round 2 match.

SMB3 > Zelda
SMB3 had more brackets with the game advancing and a heavier weight towards placing first.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/5/2009 3:43:05 PM | message detail
If Zelda can SFF Tetris, I can't see why Mega Man 2 can't.

MM2 is at least the fourth most popular NES title, and I might even go so far as to give it a shot at third, depending on if SMB1 is worth anything.
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transience | Posted 4/5/2009 3:43:34 PM | message detail
as board 8's premiere Metroid fan, allow me to say that Metroid 1 is a disaster.

I'm looking forward to watching Tetris bomb in round 1.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 3:46:06 PM | message detail
MM2 won't even be able to touch SMB.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/5/2009 3:51:55 PM | message detail
Speaking of SMB.. I'm all aboard the SMB > LoZ train and all but.. isn't it possible that if that match is anywhere near close, Duck Hunt/MM2 could hold it back from a win?
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/5/2009 4:00:38 PM | message detail
As far as MMX/LA, seeing as LOZ devastated Mega Man X in the series contest, you can't really write off Link's Awakening.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/5/2009 4:01:15 PM | message detail
The only certainty I can find about Tetris is that it destroys other classic gaming titles. It destroyed Pong and Galaga in 2004 and I predict will do the same to Space Invaders in it's four-pack (giving it the easy first finish). I agree with the statement that any other classic NES title hurts it and Mega Man 2 will make quick work of it. Yes, it's paired against two NES titles in it's R1 match but we all know DK is a choker and Punch-Out is untested as far as NES titles go.

It's gone the second Zelda1 and SMB1 enter the picture.
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