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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 662

SvenGeorgeson | Posted 4/4/2009 1:56:06 PM | message detail
I have never clicked on one of these topics before. Do you people really read all of this? It's insane.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/4/2009 1:56:44 PM | message detail
Well, M/C 1 and 2 were only so badly cheaty because of how close the matches were. Take away Mario's Euro support (which I'm guessing was pretty damn significant) and maybe there wouldn't have been as much cheating.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 1:57:28 PM | message detail

From: SvenGeorgeson | #351
I have never clicked on one of these topics before. Do you people really read all of this? It's insane.


yes
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 1:57:35 PM | message detail
WWF was huge in 1999 and wrestling video games have a colossal following online (especially on this site). WWF No Mercy still has fans, mods and support going for it even today (it's considered the best wrestling game ever). I'm not surprised WrestleMania 2000 got votes at the time.

It's gone down a bit today with WCW/ECW going under and THQ restricting their WWE games to one series (SmackDown). Fans of wrestling video games are starved for titles which is why TNA Impact and even Def Jam Vendetta sold a bit.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 1:58:26 PM | message detail
TBH, I could see WWF No Mercy not doing that bad in a match here.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 1:58:27 PM | message detail

From: SvenGeorgeson | #351
I have never clicked on one of these topics before. Do you people really read all of this? It's insane.


Not all of it, but it's fun discussing things with other people.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 2:01:24 PM | message detail
I think of it like a sports discussion except it's not actual people running around.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 2:13:36 PM | message detail

From: SvenGeorgeson | Posted: 4/4/2009 4:56:06 PM | #351
I have never clicked on one of these topics before. Do you people really read all of this? It's insane.


Be a man.

Use a main.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 2:13:54 PM | message detail
And yes, it's fun talking about contest matches :D
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/4/2009 2:21:20 PM | message detail
I see no difference between our annual contests and the NCAA basketball. Both involve brackets and lots of pointless discussion that may or may not be helpful in calling matches.
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Yesmar | Posted 4/4/2009 2:53:08 PM | message detail
For anyone taking RE over SOTN. Would you pick RE to break 40% on Goldeneye? Alucard doesn't look that far off from where he was in '04.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 3:00:24 PM | message detail
2004 - 43% on Ganondorf
2005 - 44/45% on Sora
2006 - 44% on Sub-Zero.

Slowly but surely, SOTN won't be at 2004 level.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 3:02:47 PM | message detail

From: Yesmar | #361
For anyone taking RE over SOTN. Would you pick RE to break 40% on Goldeneye? Alucard doesn't look that far off from where he was in '04.


Oh yes, a 1v1 match between RE/Goldeneye I think would be much closer than that today.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 3:13:39 PM | message detail
What math has SOTN breaking 40 on Goldeneye?
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/4/2009 3:21:35 PM | message detail
SOTN broke 40% on Goldeneye directly back in 2004, I think. I wouldn't count on it doing that again.
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transience | Posted 4/4/2009 3:22:02 PM | message detail
2004.

RE's got a fine shot as an upset pick.
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transience | Posted 4/4/2009 3:23:06 PM | message detail
I think the better pick, though, is SOTN beating Mario 64 in round 2 with Yoshi's Island there. then you've got Goldeneye having a great shot at beating CT. then you've got FF7/LTTP/007/FF6. kind of a weird match.

yay fourways
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 3:25:28 PM | message detail

From: transience | Posted: 4/4/2009 6:23:06 PM | #367
I think the better pick, though, is SOTN beating Mario 64 in round 2 with Yoshi's Island there. then you've got Goldeneye having a great shot at beating CT. then you've got FF7/LTTP/007/FF6. kind of a weird match.

yay fourways


....I'm high as hell (or low, depending on whatever Percs cause), so I can't tell if you're kidding.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 3:26:28 PM | message detail
Anyway, you have no idea where RE stands, because it's behind SFF twice. We at least know SOTN is trending downwards.
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transience | Posted 4/4/2009 3:27:27 PM | message detail
totally serious.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 3:28:16 PM | message detail
You're insane then
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transience | Posted 4/4/2009 3:33:53 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1010

old, but Mario 64 ain't exactly impressive. the only 3d game it has to compete with is Sunshine and it still lost to World. I won't ever forget the OOT match either. Mario 64 disappointed on that List too despite no other 3d games being in the same stratosphere as it. that game cost me another 100 bucks or so.

Super Mario 64 23.74% 18697
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 76.26% 60064
TOTAL VOTES 78761

people talk about how Metroid collapses in the face of Nintendo, but Mario 64 got beat down by OOT even worse than LTTP/Super Metroid. some game.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/4/2009 3:37:05 PM | message detail
There is much more overlap with SM64/OoT then there is with LTTP/Super Metroid.
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transience | Posted 4/4/2009 3:37:50 PM | message detail
why is that?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/4/2009 3:41:36 PM | message detail
Think of the N64, and what game do you think of?

N64 had a much smaller fanbase then the SNES, and just about everyone will vote for OoT as the best game on that system. SM64 was the foundation for 3D gaming, but OoT perfected it.

LttP and Metroid only share systems. Both have their own accolades, and if there wasn't such a Zelda split here, both would look somewhat equal or close to it.
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transience | Posted 4/4/2009 3:44:18 PM | message detail
I don't agree - everyone that played Super Metroid played LTTP, just like everyone that played Mario 64 played OOT. I think the difference would be that OOT is stronger than LTTP, but I don't think anyone would put Super Metroid on Mario 64's level.

then again, Super Metroid is generally underrated while Mario 64 is overrated.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/4/2009 3:53:35 PM | message detail
Well yeah, I think that's the big deal breaker there, that Super Metroid is underrated. Mario 64 and Oot were the defining video games of their system. Link to the Past also had the advantage of pretty much everyone knowing what Zelda was when it came out, with the Nintendo game being well-played. Metroid however was kind of a dark horse. The original Metroid on the NES was pretty much overshadowed so when Super Metroid came out it was more of a sleeper. Well, about as sleeper as you can get for a main Nintendo franchise anyway
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/4/2009 3:54:33 PM | message detail

From: transience | #367
I think the better pick, though, is SOTN beating Mario 64 in round 2 with Yoshi's Island there. then you've got Goldeneye having a great shot at beating CT. then you've got FF7/LTTP/007/FF6. kind of a weird match.

yay fourways


I threw that out there a little while ago. And how is Symphony trending downwards? It just got an XBLA release (and PSN?) last year, surely that had to have helped.

Mario 64 actually has a pretty big range it could fall in. Could be stronger than World (doubt it) or it could be weaker than SMB1 (also doubt it). It's an interesting pick, but I don't have the cajones to take it given the impact it would cause on the rest of that part of the bracket.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/4/2009 3:56:22 PM | message detail
It just got an XBLA release... last year,

You mean a few years ago. That boost is gone.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 3:58:01 PM | message detail
Yeah, Castlevania is really in a tailspin right now because there hasn't been a mega-release in some time. Konami just seems to treat it as "well, another year, another Castlevania" and slaps a "(blank) of (blank)" subtitle on a DS box and kicks it out the door.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 4:24:58 PM | message detail
Castlevania > Mario 64... is interesting to say the least, but I wouldn't take it. There is no real Nintendo support to sap it, and to make it worse, Castlevania has nowhere to go but down.

I figure Mario 64 has ENOUGH to at least get by Castlevania. I can't see it being too far from Goldeneye. I think it did fairly well in the list too; don't think for a second that it's only competition were just 3D games. All Mario fans like both 2D and 3D and don't forget that it had Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye in the wings.

What competition did SOTN have on the list?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 4:33:58 PM | message detail
Also, I think that poll was out in.. 2002?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181

This one was in 2003, and Sunshine did a bit worse. It would most likely do even worse today.

Though I suppose we can't discard that performance off so fast considering Prime owned the hell out of it. Maybe that's saying a lot for ALL Mario games, though.
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SuperAceMoe04 | Posted 4/4/2009 4:35:58 PM | message detail
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 4:52:47 PM | message detail
I think Mario 64 is equal to Mario World in strength.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/4/2009 4:57:16 PM | message detail
It's probably close, although I'd take World and not look back.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 5:00:55 PM | message detail
1v1, I'd literally flip a coin. There's no way to know.
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ZFS | Posted 4/4/2009 5:09:43 PM | message detail
Yeah, Castlevania is really in a tailspin right now because there hasn't been a mega-release in some time. Konami just seems to treat it as "well, another year, another Castlevania" and slaps a "(blank) of (blank)" subtitle on a DS box and kicks it out the door.

If you mean in a tailspin here, I wouldn't agree. Not that I think SOTN is going to beat Mario 64 (although it's not a big stretch), but there's not much different today about Castlevania than there was a few years ago. It's still getting mostly handheld releases every year or other year. The increased vote totals might hurt it, but I don't think it'd be significantly. SOTN's always managed to do well here, in contests and out.

Some pollz...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/home/196885.html

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2806
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2799
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1643

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 5:18:06 PM | message detail
although it's not a big stretch

Yes, it really is a big stretch. Stat topic overthink at its absolute finest right here.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/4/2009 5:19:22 PM | message detail
A game that squeaked by Perfect Dark and got beat down by Goldeneye in 2004 isn't going to come close to upsetting Mario freaking 64 in 2009.

Well, under normal circumstances anyway
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ZFS | Posted 4/4/2009 5:19:29 PM | message detail
Not really. If you think SOTN's as strong today as it was back then, and you think it's more likely to benefit from a four-ways than 1v1, taking it there with two Mario games isn't that bad. I wouldn't take it, but there's worse picks you could make in this bracket.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/4/2009 5:19:41 PM | message detail
Yes, it really is a big stretch. Stat topic overthink at its absolute finest right here.

Hey hey, a voice of logic here!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 5:21:14 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 4/4/2009 8:19:41 PM | #391
Yes, it really is a big stretch. Stat topic overthink at its absolute finest right here.

Hey hey, a voice of logic here!


Sarcasm or not, this is another round of Kerrigan > Vincent nonsense. Some people will talk themselves into anything.
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ZFS | Posted 4/4/2009 5:22:01 PM | message detail
Sounds like what the Ocarina of Time people have done -- talked themselves into disaster!

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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/4/2009 5:22:55 PM | message detail
Symphony do better in fourways? Have you missed Alucard's awfulness the last two years?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 5:23:26 PM | message detail
Yeah I came to my senses on that one, since OOT needs an absolute perfect storm for FF7 to lose.
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ZFS | Posted 4/4/2009 5:24:29 PM | message detail
Who said I believed that? Not that Alucard is by any stretch a good indicator of SOTN, but I'm not on the SOTN bandwagon here.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/4/2009 5:26:02 PM | message detail

Sarcasm or not, this is another round of Kerrigan > Vincent nonsense. Some people will talk themselves into anything.


No sarcasm. SM64 is so far out of SotN's league that it's laughable to consider an upset possible.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/4/2009 5:27:02 PM | message detail
How on earth is Alucard not a good indicator of Symphony? When one goes down (despite showing up in several other Castlevanias) it seems entirely reasonable to expect the other to follow, especially since Alucard is so popular within the Castlevania fanbase. I'd love to take Symphony to upset something, but it really doesn't have much of a chance.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 5:28:03 PM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 4/4/2009 8:22:55 PM | #394
Symphony do better in fourways? Have you missed Alucard's awfulness the last two years?


Stat topic overthink, dude.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 5:28:53 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 4/4/2009 8:26:02 PM | #397

Sarcasm or not, this is another round of Kerrigan > Vincent nonsense. Some people will talk themselves into anything.


No sarcasm. SM64 is so far out of SotN's league that it's laughable to consider an upset possible.


Alright good, I thought you calling me out in the other topic was spilling into here. SOTN > Mario 64 is just ****ing stupid.
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