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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 662

charmander6000 | Posted 4/4/2009 10:19:58 AM | message detail
SF2 makes third round at LEAST. Whats gonna beat it in round 2? Sonic 1 with Mario Bros 3 in the same poll? lol

True, even if SFII chokes and loses to Sonic 1 in the first round no way is Sonic 1 going to do the same thing in round 2 with SMB3 in the same poll. If it had any strength it could walk to the semi-finals.
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voltch | Posted 4/4/2009 10:24:59 AM | message detail
Street Fighter II may not enjoy a SFIV boost if the hype dies down to soon.
Game's been released quite a while,i would really laugh hard if it turned out that TWEWY's hardcore fanbase made it consistently stronger than SFIV.
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Big Bob | Posted 4/4/2009 10:29:07 AM | message detail
I think Ryu's strength in the polls has less to do with people genuinely liking Street Fighter and more with the iconic image that he's built up for himself.

Yes, Ryu is more comparable to a really strong Pac-Man.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 10:31:18 AM | message detail
Heh, that would explain Bowser/Ryu pretty well.

but he held up to Mega Man pretty well.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 10:32:57 AM | message detail
You know; that actually makes sense. Ken for instance is actually just about as popular as Ryu if not more popular among SF fans (ugh all I see online are Ken and Ryu players), but Ken seems like a mid carder at best when he's gotten in but Ryu is high tier.
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Big Bob | Posted 4/4/2009 10:50:26 AM | message detail
Despite their contest strengths, who would you say is more mainstream, Bowser or Mega Man?

Bowser, easily. These days Mega Man has pretty niche appeal, while Mario is about as mainstream as it gets. Sure, Mega Man still has tons of fans, but Bowser's friggin' Bowser, one of the most well-known villains of all time.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 10:54:12 AM | message detail
if Mega Man can sff Yoshi, I don't see why he couldn't SFF Ryu for his 'iconic' status.

Heck, if you really do think he's a really strong Pac-Man, he'd get SFF'd by Mega Man as well.

All of this is weird.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/4/2009 10:58:29 AM | message detail
If Mega Man had been blasting Ryu like he (literally) blasted Yoshi, we would have potentially seen a significantly different result there. However, instead of this:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=64

we got this:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=8&pos=44
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 11:22:14 AM | message detail
World of Warcraft is going to WoW you this contest.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/4/2009 11:26:22 AM | message detail
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Lopen | Posted 4/4/2009 11:32:02 AM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 12:14:22 PM | message detail
And dropping KH out of the picture of advancing because of FFX

Like dropping Sora out of the picture of advancing because of Squall, right?

I'm starting to think this is a mistake, honestly.

Nearly losing to an Auron being SFFed by Cloud, after we saw what Sephiroth did to him? Based on Auron's losses in 2007 and 2008, you could easily conclude that Kratos is beating Ryu comfortably now.

Comfortably? I wouldn't go quite that far. It'd probably be close, but I'll still side with Ryu. Auron still beat Kratos when it was all said and done. Of course, Cloud SFF'd Auron harder than Sephy did, so...
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 12:15:23 PM | message detail
Ken for instance is actually just about as popular as Ryu if not more popular among SF fans

Don't make me pull out those Favorite Street Fighter polls!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 12:16:00 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #313
Ken for instance is actually just about as popular as Ryu if not more popular among SF fans

Don't make me pull out those Favorite Street Fighter polls!


Then why is he played just as much if not more then Ryu in SF2 HD Remix and SF4?
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Lopen | Posted 4/4/2009 12:17:43 PM | message detail

Don't make me pull out those Favorite Street Fighter polls!


The problem with those polls, though, is that a lot of the voters probably AREN'T Street Fighter fans. That's why those polls aren't reliable and why I think Mega Man is stronger than Mega Man X for instance even though the poll says otherwise.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 12:18:45 PM | message detail
Yep, most non Street Fighter fans or just very casual ones will go with Ryu cuz he's the most well known outside of the Street Fighter fanbase. But Ken is actually most played since he's a more offensive version of Ryu (with Ryu being defensive minded), and more players like to play offense then defense in SF.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 12:19:04 PM | message detail
Like dropping Sora out of the picture of advancing because of Squall, right?

The difference here is that these games are closer together than Yoshi and Sora were... at least in this format.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 12:36:03 PM | message detail
Yeah, because we know that for sure!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 12:38:56 PM | message detail
Well, looking at the Sora match, you have to admit that Yoshi was hurt probably just as much because he did no better on Squall and I'll be damned Sora and Squall didn't split at all.

Meanwhile, we have two Square hits, a Gamecube title, and a Metal Gear Solid game. Metroid is the only Nintendo game and the only option that ISN'T PS2. FFX and Kingdom Hearts are expected to at least split as hard as Yoshi and Fox did.

Regardless KH, Metroid Prime, and MGS2's strength being all close.. this is what I honestly believe. I don't rank KH as low as it was in 2k4, but it can't be miles head of Prime/MGS2 or anything. If KH wins, it'll be a close one, but I really doubt it can't escape that split considering last time, there was a split just as big going on.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 12:42:02 PM | message detail
I admit KH's chances aren't great and I'd never pick it to advance, but I don't want to completely rule it out either.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 1:01:50 PM | message detail
Wow, Crono slaughtered Vinny in North America. He probably did in 2007, too. Interesting.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3301&region=NAM
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/4/2009 1:08:52 PM | message detail
Wow, Crono slaughtered Vinny in North America. He probably did in 2007, too. Interesting.

I would imagine he did back in 2007. Vinny's Power Hour sucks badly and that's a result of Americans being in control of this time period.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 1:15:03 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1179

One thing I find interesting about this poll is that both Resident Evil and REmake combined beat Resident Evil 2.

If RE > RE2, Castlevania really could be in trouble here considering RE is obviously the bigger series.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 1:18:09 PM | message detail
Castlevania was in real trouble regardless. RE is a popular series and will get franchise votes, so I don't see Sotn advancing.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 1:24:23 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #323
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1179

One thing I find interesting about this poll is that both Resident Evil and REmake combined beat Resident Evil 2.

If RE > RE2, Castlevania really could be in trouble here considering RE is obviously the bigger series.


Looks like that poll is from 2002, which is around the time RE had MASSIVE Nintendo rallying because of Capcom's commitment to keeping RE a Nintendo exclusive (which they later broke). I believe RE4 was also announced during this time as a GCN exclusive (again, later broke).

I just remember posting on NGG at the time and the support for RE from Nintendo fans was a pride thing. Hence REmake getting huge votes and RE0 beating RE3 for some stupid reason.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 1:26:53 PM | message detail
Heh, good point.

I still have SOTN anyway, I'm just trying to play devil's advocate with myself.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 4/4/2009 1:29:23 PM | message detail
Castlevania did almost as well as RE in the series contest. And don't bother pointing out RE being behind FFVII, since Castlevania was behind the Metal Gear/Kingdom Hearts match. I really don't see any evidence for RE being stronger by a significant margin at all.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 1:29:25 PM | message detail
I'm getting more concerned with SOTN now that I'm convinced RE has hidden strength. Kirby is going to be crushed by Mario, no doubt. SOTN has cultish franchise voting but RE might have strength from RE4 and 5 giving the series a boost in the arm. I'm treating this as an upset pick now.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 1:32:11 PM | message detail
Whoo! Let's use seven-year-old polls to argue for our brackets because tastes never change and the same people still come here!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1134

Heh, that solves the KH/Prime/Vice City problem right there!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 1:32:50 PM | message detail
I really doubt there was anything behind KH/MG. Snake/Sora was probably more of a pic thing than a fanbase thing.

Regardless, barely losing to KH.. which I wouldn't take over SF. I'd still take RE there.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 1:34:05 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=38

Looks like Soul Calibur deserved to be in over SSB after all!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 1:34:15 PM | message detail
Old favorite polls aren't that bad depending on when they're done. I think polling a specific fanbase if done at a good date that doesn't involve hype or anything has some validity over how they generally look at a game in relation to the others of the same series.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 1:34:41 PM | message detail
...You wouldn't take KH over SF? I don't see why not...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 1:34:50 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #331
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=38


Even without using old polls, only Nintendrones thought Smash Bros should be in over Soulcalibur...
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/4/2009 1:36:06 PM | message detail
I'd love to pounce on any RE-related upset, but this might be a case where people are substituting series for individual games.

Resident Evil > Castlevania

Symphony of the Night > The original Resident Evil (which is, at best, the third strongest game in the series)
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 1:37:40 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #333
...You wouldn't take KH over SF? I don't see why not...


At least KH in that time I wouldn't.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 1:41:55 PM | message detail
I don't see it as an upset at all. My gut was just to go with RE there cuz Sotn isn't really strong, and the RE boost since last 2004 has been immense. Just look at the massive RE boost we got last contest. Jill, who once struggled with pre Xbox Ryu Hayabusa and Peach, was beating thel ikes of Revolver Ocelot after MGS4? That kinda stuff makes me think RE > Sotn is a given.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 1:42:38 PM | message detail
Yeah, because Ocelot is a powerhouse!

darn it that match still makes no sense
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 4/4/2009 1:42:40 PM | message detail
KHII was already out for the series contest. Don't think it's gotten much of a boost since then.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 1:43:31 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #333
...You wouldn't take KH over SF? I don't see why not...


Any other year would be the safe and obvious pick of KH > SF without hesitation.

Now, I'm not too sure...it would be a hell of a lot closer, that's for sure. KH is kind of in limbo right now with KH2 getting a huge "meh" from the fanbase and KH3 being dangled vaguely off in the horizon to the frustration of fans. Meanwhile, Square-Enix has three spinoffs on the way while everyone just freaking wants KH3.

SF, on the other hand, has had a new entry in the main series (SF4) breathing new life into the series. Even the HD Remix has brought attention to old-school SF.

Nowadays, I'm seeing more talk of SF than KH and I think the match would be much closer today. Though I would still pick KH because the fanbase is, quite frankly, insanely devoted.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 1:45:14 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #338
Yeah, because Ocelot is a powerhouse!

darn it that match still makes no sense


He's not a power house, but he beat Jill easily the year before, yet out of no where Jill suddenly beats him? Thats a RE boost.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 1:46:02 PM | message detail
I guess it's more of a gut thing. KHII did a lot for the characters, but how do we know how much it did for the series?

It lost pretty handily to FFXII which.. I won't get into how terrible that was in 2006.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 1:50:15 PM | message detail
FF12 and KH2 are two games I wouldn't put a lot of trust in when it comes to close matches. But they do benefit from association from their respective series but they are not powerhouses at all.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/4/2009 1:50:47 PM | message detail
He's not a power house, but he beat Jill easily the year before, yet out of no where Jill suddenly beats him? Thats a RE boost.

Considering nothing happened for RE from 2007 to 2008, I don't know where it came from.

Well, other than RE5 being announced, I guess.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/4/2009 1:52:01 PM | message detail
Well, we've seen what hype has done, so...

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/4/2009 1:52:09 PM | message detail
I find it hilarious that without Europe, Crono and Mega Man would have easily won some pretty important matches. Mega Man/Sephiroth and Crono/Mario 1 and 2 come to mind.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 1:53:19 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted: 4/4/2009 4:52:09 PM | #346
I find it hilarious that without Europe, Crono and Mega Man would have easily won some pretty important matches. Mega Man/Sephiroth and Crono/Mario 1 and 2 come to mind.


I'll give you the first one, but there was massive cheating in the first two M/C matches on both sides. I doubt Europe mattered.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 1:54:02 PM | message detail
I just want to say, that adding region viewing in the polls has added another layer of depth to these stat discussions.

Now voting trends will be much more in depth. Such as when Europe wakes up (late evening EST) or gets home from school/work (early morning EST), KH's votes will be impacted.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/4/2009 1:54:40 PM | message detail
Yeah, there was far too much screwiness and manipulation going on in Mario/Crono 1 and 2 to really make a guess on regions.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/4/2009 1:54:59 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #331
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=38

Looks like Soul Calibur deserved to be in over SSB after all!


WWF Wrestlemania? Really?

I'm almost glad I didn't come here until 2002.
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