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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 662

Yesmar | Posted 4/3/2009 8:27:25 PM | message detail
SFF is fanbase overlap, whether it results in a 90-10 beating or a 51-49 match.

Fair enough. There is always SFF. I should have said, it wasn't noticeable in this match.

Low votals are a product of SFF.

Votals are lower in inter-company matches, because the characters themselves get lower in popularity, and lower tier matches get less votes. This exists in 1 vs. 1, but it was obviously never discovered nor relevant at the time.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/3/2009 8:34:25 PM | message detail
I could never personally see VIce City > MGS 2.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/3/2009 8:34:57 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #252
I could never personally see VIce City > MGS 2.


in 2004 I could. Not now, though.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/3/2009 8:52:13 PM | message detail
Votals are lower in inter-company matches, because the characters themselves get lower in popularity, and lower tier matches get less votes. This exists in 1 vs. 1, but it was obviously never discovered nor relevant at the time.

I think you mean intra-company, and I distinctly remember there being votal discussion after Bowser/Kirby. Whether that was the first match that it was noticed in I do not know, but it was the first one as long as I've been here, and it was a pretty extreme example.

Another one was Kirby/Luigi IIRC, and I remember using those stats to for some of my better 2007 picks.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/3/2009 8:54:23 PM | message detail
I was thinking about MGS2, and I was wondering how hated is it really?

As impressive as MGS2 was in 2004 despite that being MGS's worse year, I'd consider it taking it over Prime, but Raiden just holds me back for some reason.

Am I overrating how disliked the game is or..?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/3/2009 8:59:01 PM | message detail
FFX / MGS2 / KH / Vice City

One thing they all have in common is being PS2 games. And dropping KH out of the picture of advancing because of FFX, Vice City has a decent shot at taking MGS2 out since it was more well recieved in the whole pecking order of games: FFX > KH > Vice City > MGS2.

Or maybe I'm overestimating the GTA series in 4-way polls. Whatever.

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ZFS | Posted 4/3/2009 8:59:51 PM | message detail
It's the FFVIII of the Metal Gear series. It's loved by some, but equally disliked by another group of people. In both cases, the hate has gone down over the years, but it's still gonna be there. I think it's stronger than Prime normally (though not by a whole lot), but if you're thinking about the round 2 match, it's probably not the safe option.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/3/2009 9:00:09 PM | message detail
Oh, yeah. This is all based on if MP doesn't make it out of Round 1. >,>

I'll be rooting for Paper Mario. =)

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FFVII / LoZ: A Link to the Past / LoZ: Ocarina of Time / FFX
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/3/2009 9:02:49 PM | message detail
Vice City?

Over Metroid Prime?

Excuse me while I laugh hystarically.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/3/2009 9:04:16 PM | message detail
GTA: Vice City (2004g) VS Metroid Prime (2004g)

GTA: Vice City has a strength of 38.40.
Metroid Prime has a strength of 36.74.

GTA: Vice City wins with 52.16% of the vote!
A win of 2,942 with 68,057 total votes cast.


I would take Vice City over Metroid Prime......


...In 2004. Vice City has fallen off the map so its not getting out of the first round
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/3/2009 9:04:26 PM | message detail
Did you not read my damn post, Black Turdle? Gawd.

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FFVII / LoZ: A Link to the Past / LoZ: Ocarina of Time / FFX
Dilated Chemist | Posted 4/3/2009 9:05:21 PM | message detail
If Paper Mario weren't there I'd take MP in Round 1 without even thinking about it.

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/3/2009 9:36:20 PM | message detail
BT has selective comprehension.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 2:00:42 AM | message detail
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 2:01:37 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted: 4/4/2009 12:02:49 AM | #259
Vice City?

Over Metroid Prime?

Excuse me while I laugh hystarically.


lol irony
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 2:01:58 AM | message detail
On a better note, is there a site anywhere that has the stat topics archived?
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transience | Posted 4/4/2009 2:03:41 AM | message detail
thengamer.com/stats
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 2:26:37 AM | message detail
Seems like a lot of the earlier ones are missing. Oh well.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 4:04:22 AM | message detail
Man, 402 was easily the best stats topic ever. Reading that thing never gets old, especially given it came up during a close Dante v Yoshi match.

And yes, I plan on making 666 the Devils' ASCII topic. Suck it up.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/4/2009 6:36:27 AM | message detail
You know what, I think I'll go ahead and calculate match results for Africa. It's definitely doable, with the following setup I have here:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7784/africantrends.png

I only did the final match though. I'll get the others later.

I think it might be worth a shot to send in a suggestion to SB to have Africa added as a region option, even though he's probably not going to bother adding it. Since Africa only contributes on average about 127 votes per match (for the last contest only). It would save me the trouble of having to calculate match results for Africa.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 7:29:44 AM | message detail
Anybody think Sonic 3 > Sonic 2?
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/4/2009 7:31:04 AM | message detail
I wonder how many contest votes in total we've received from Antarctica. Do any of the scientists there visit Gamefaqs ever?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 7:32:42 AM | message detail
Do they even play games there?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/4/2009 8:27:31 AM | message detail
I wonder how many contest votes in total we've received from Antarctica. Do any of the scientists there visit Gamefaqs ever?

That would be worth asking for "Ask GameFAQs". After doing a Google search, I found out there is internet in some parts of Antarctica. There aren't any permanent residents in Antarctica, just people that are mainly down there for research purposes.
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Yesmar | Posted 4/4/2009 8:27:52 AM | message detail
Man, 402 was easily the best stats topic ever. Reading that thing never gets old, especially given it came up during a close Dante v Yoshi match.

No way. The topic from the evening of Zelda/Final Fantasy owns all. It might have spread out over several topics however.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/4/2009 8:29:59 AM | message detail
Antartica has about 1000 people living there at any given moment, mainly for research. I wouldn't be surprised if one was a videogame fan.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/4/2009 9:20:33 AM | message detail

From: Yesmar | Posted: 4/4/2009 11:27:52 AM | #275
Man, 402 was easily the best stats topic ever. Reading that thing never gets old, especially given it came up during a close Dante v Yoshi match.

No way. The topic from the evening of Zelda/Final Fantasy owns all. It might have spread out over several topics however.


I don't totally remember how that was so memorable, to be honest.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 9:20:47 AM | message detail
So, I've made up an argument for Super Mario RPG (despite the fact that I have RE2), I just want to know what you guys think:

The last time we saw Super Mario RPG was when it blew out Street Fighter II. The last time we saw Street Fighter (series contest) was when it had a close match with a RE4 boosted Resident Evil. I'm pretty sure all of us can agree that the Street Fighter fans heavily overlap and that it runs mostly off of Street Fighter II. So if Super Mario RPG easily beat that.. then is it possibly underrated?

More evidence to possibly support this is the 2004 rankings, as old as they are. Soul Calibur is obviously overrated, and Soul Calibur II is pretty big, but how much bandwagoning can StarCraft get to pull Soul Calibur that far above Street Fighter II? Looking at various SC GotY polls and the series contest, SFII should have had no problem beating SC even if SCII was big, so the only explanation is that SC is not only overrated, but SFII is possibly underrated... due to SFF somewhere. Super Mario RPG/CT, most likely (or if you really think CT/FF7 had much.. but that's another possibility I want to throw out there but can't discount much about).

Geno is the only counter argument to this as he couldn't even beat a Street Fighter character. How the heck would Super Mario RPG be so strong and so weak in characters? Super Mario RPG scored high on the list despite fighting off other Mario games and Square games, so maybe the fanbase can live up to a platformer and a first-person shooter.

But Geno is still weak, so that would only point to one thing: Super Mario franchise votes.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 9:27:20 AM | message detail
How the heck would Super Mario RPG be so strong and so weak in characters?

Same reason FF6 is so strong and its characters are weak
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/4/2009 9:28:15 AM | message detail
SF/RE was only close because of the picture.

Franchise votes are going to be a lot weaker this contest than it was in 2004.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 9:29:30 AM | message detail
SF/RE was only close because of the picture.

I'd take Ryu over any Resident Evil character, too. I don't like the SF underestimation going on round here =(
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Heroic Common Sense | Posted 4/4/2009 9:34:30 AM | message detail
12,000 votes isn't some mega blowout.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 9:37:03 AM | message detail
Same reason FF6 is so strong and its characters are weak

I don't get it. The only new likable characters are Geno and Mallow. I'm pretty sure they're weak because the game gets Super Mario votes more than anything. There's just no excuse.

12,000 votes isn't some mega blowout.

Okay, it isn't a blowout, but it is a comfortable win to be cleanly above the game.


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charmander6000 | Posted 4/4/2009 9:37:20 AM | message detail
I'd take Ryu over any Resident Evil character, too. I don't like the SF underestimation going on round here =(

Considering that the series is focused on Ryu while RE focuses on different characters in each game I would too.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 9:37:42 AM | message detail
Anyway, thinking about SF being overrated due to the pic.. doesn't really change my mind much about SMRPG's possible chances I suppose. I mean, SMRPG isn't going to be beating RE4 of course.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 9:39:06 AM | message detail
The thing is, Geno is a non main character of an old RPG. I don't see ANY games outside of the big boys like FF7, FFX and Chrono Trigger having side characters do much. So I don't see Geno as an excuse at all.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 9:47:22 AM | message detail
Yeah, you have a point. For some reason, non-main characters from Square games of the past tend to do considerably worse than what you'd expect. Cecil, Kainwind or whoever (he actually looked better than Cecil >_>;;;), Geno, and even Kefka has his ways of choking. Though, FF6 has a huge cast anyway.

I guess this could either be some strange syndrome of past games being forgotten with characters, or some super franchise voting.

Franchise votes are going to be a lot weaker this contest than it was in 2004.

and yeah, I forgot this since 2004 had some low ass votals.
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Heroic Common Sense | Posted 4/4/2009 9:50:40 AM | message detail
There's no excuse for FF6 characters to be weak either, but they are.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 9:53:13 AM | message detail
Actually..

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1610

Didn't the poll only move after this match? In that case, franchise voting was still a force 1vs1.

Though it will be weakened by there being more choice of games.

As for why FF6 being weak, I've heard it's just there being such a huge cast since Kefka is the strongest we've seen so far.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 9:54:19 AM | message detail
As for why FF6 being weak, I've heard it's just there being such a huge cast since Kefka is the strongest we've seen so far.

Doesn't explain why FF6 is a force to be reckoned with and Kefka now being fodder line, though.
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Heroic Common Sense | Posted 4/4/2009 9:55:55 AM | message detail
And I don't think Street Fighter is being underestimated; it's just had some noticeable bad performances in multi-game polls and is against good competition this contest. The only reason I have SF2 beating Sonic 1 is because Sonic performs like complete crap in this format. That and people don't like the original Sonic that much. Sonic 2 and 3 is where it's at.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 9:57:14 AM | message detail
SF2 makes third round at LEAST. Whats gonna beat it in round 2? Sonic 1 with Mario Bros 3 in the same poll? lol
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/4/2009 9:59:07 AM | message detail
it's just had some noticeable bad performances in multi-game polls

Which ones? The Capcom favorite polls? The List? Yeah, I'll admit it does average in those.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/4/2009 9:59:12 AM | message detail
Street Fighter is mediocre until proven otherwise. Even many of Ryu's seemingly "impressive" feats have been revealed to be much less so in the light of new information. Nearly losing to an Auron being SFFed by Cloud, after we saw what Sephiroth did to him? Based on Auron's losses in 2007 and 2008, you could easily conclude that Kratos is beating Ryu comfortably now.

RE/SF is its most impressive match, and it still lost that with perhaps the biggest picture advantage of all time. How about Street Fighter actually goes out and performs against an actual opponent before we give it too much credit?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 10:00:52 AM | message detail
karma hunter just mad that he sucks at sf
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/4/2009 10:02:43 AM | message detail
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Heroic Common Sense | Posted 4/4/2009 10:03:26 AM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | Posted: 4/4/2009 10:59:07 AM | #293
it's just had some noticeable bad performances in multi-game polls

Which ones? The Capcom favorite polls? The List? Yeah, I'll admit it does average in those.


In all the "Which upcoming sequel are you looking forward to?" polls, Street Fighter 4 performed like ****.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 10:04:00 AM | message detail
oh yeah, ill own your ass in sf2 hd remix or sf4

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/4/2009 10:18:27 AM | message detail
Which lost to MM9, while we're dissing SF2!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/4/2009 10:19:37 AM | message detail
mega man fodder tier confirmed
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