GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 661
| ZFS | Posted 4/1/2009 9:14:19 PM | message detail |
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I wanted to go with Galaxy at first (more critically acclaimed, comparable sales, far less backlash), These cover the reasons I'm going for Galaxy, minus a couple of bigger ones. The first being that I think the Mario series carries with it far more weight than Smash Bros. -- it's one of the only three series who I think get huge franchise voting -- and the other that I don't see Galaxy/MGS4 being all that debatable of match. But maybe I'm off here, Brawl/Galaxy is a tough one. --- doth thou desire the power |
| yoshifan823 | Posted 4/1/2009 9:18:09 PM | message detail |
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I have it because I have a theory involving the maturation of the
GameFAQs audience, the inherent classicality of the game, and good
memories. That's also why I have SMB winning the whole damn thing, but
I know I'm wrong about that. I just believe that's how it should go. Also, there wasn't a huge outburst or unkind comparison towards Galaxy upon release, or even now. --- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Guru winnah Explicit Content, that's quis. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/1/2009 9:20:08 PM | message detail |
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The only reason Smash Bros. did so well against Mario in 2006 was
because of Brawl hype. That Brawl hype is gone now. It's now "Brawl
stunk." Personally, I can't fathom how the Wii got so destroyed in that system poll after the hype Brawl created for itself. Look at all the hype polls that feature Brawl and tell me that's not the reason most people wanted a Wii. The only thing I can come up with is that Brawl was just a plain disappointment and is a sign of the Wii's lack of good games. I don't really need to expect Galaxy to be as good as it was when Wii hype was high, because I know it at least didn't get backlash. It was really well-received. Meanwhile Brawl causes the Wii to go even below PS3. Of course there's a possibility that Brawl did not cause it and the Wii did it on itself, but.. Brawl was the most hyped game .. well, ever.. I can't see it not being the cause. Even considering this, I still consider it a coin flip because Smash is just that scary anyway and Galaxy did seem to have lost some steam since then, but I don't think a well-received console Mario game.. no matter how much steam it could have possibly lost, should be underestimated. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/1/2009 9:41:42 PM | message detail |
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It's not Brawl that screwed Nintendo, it's **** like Wii **** and Wii
Music. People seem more interested in making themselves look like
morons in their living rooms than enjoying video games. But I digress. People say Brawl had "backlash", but I think that's way overblown since it's basically the competitive "serious business" Smash community complaining because the game took a step in the right direction. Also, 90% of the Brawl hype was due to Snake. People were excited to see what other third parties would make the game, so it stands to reason that the hype died down after the game came out and the roster was finalized. Brawl is still as strong (if not stronger) than Melee and is probably the only Wii game I'd expect to have any semblance of strength. And once again, people mention the GotY polls, forgetting 2 very key factors in the difference between Brawl and Galaxy. 1) Brawl was released much earlier in the year, as opposed to Fallout 3 and MGS4 which released really close to the end of the year. Galaxy was the most recent game in it's poll so it makes sense that it performs better 2) The Galaxy poll took place when Nintendo could do no wrong. They had a great year of releases, and Brawl/Mario Kart to look forward to. The Brawl poll took place when people started realizing that Nintendo basically abandoned the traditional gaming market in favour of old women and 3 year olds. There are no Wii releases in the forseeable future, and it reflects in the system polls where both the 360 and PS3 have been making huge ground on the Wii. Looks like the whole "Wii is a gimmick" thing actually ran true, and it's hilarious to see the people that couldn't shut up about how "awesome" the Wii was lose their faith in Nintendo. But once again I digress. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/1/2009 9:46:39 PM | message detail |
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That first round match with WoW is going to be a bracket breaker for
alot of people... WoW is such a wildcard in what it can do. Basically,
if WoW gets out of that first round match, I believe its prospects for
going far are high. But it can lose there, too. But if you have it
going out in first round and it gets out of it, your bracket might be
shot cuz it has potential to make the elite 8. Same with people that
have it going far though.. if it bombs and loses in first round, their
brackets are done --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-03-23.gif |
| yoshifan823 | Posted 4/1/2009 9:51:22 PM | message detail |
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Turtle, you seem to have very strong opinions about the Wii. I'd love
to argue them with you, but this doesn't seem to be the venue for it.
Make a new topic detailing that stuff, I'll see if I can counter it. --- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Guru winnah Explicit Content, that's quis. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/1/2009 9:51:34 PM | message detail |
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Another reason I'm pinning my hopes high for WoW though; http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/03/25/blizzard-vs-relic-entertainment-in-the-escapists-march-mayhem/ WoW Insider is a big WoW fansite, and they're willing to post articles to get rallies going for online contests for WoW. If they're willing to do it for the Escapist best developer contest... why not here? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-03-23.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/1/2009 9:52:52 PM | message detail |
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Not to mention I've already contacted one of the main editors at WoW
Insider a couple days ago and just "Told him" about the contest.
>.>; --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-03-23.gif |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 4/1/2009 9:58:56 PM | message detail |
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And look at how effective that rallying was. The poll had a grand total of 6k votes, and Blizzard still lost. --- Better to ask than to speculate |
| Justin_Crossing | Posted 4/1/2009 9:59:00 PM | message detail |
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So uh Albion any news on the April Fools addon store? --- http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/gif.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/1/2009 10:00:27 PM | message detail |
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From: Justin_Crossing | #260 wah? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-03-23.gif |
| Justin_Crossing | Posted 4/1/2009 10:01:16 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #261 http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21585 --- http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/gif.gif |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/1/2009 10:02:15 PM | message detail |
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About WoW Insider and its influence: (1) Activision Blizzard vs (12) Relic (1) Activision Blizzard 49.9% (3012) (12) Relic 50.1% (3025) That was after going into overtime and removing cheat votes. That really makes me question how big of an influence it is... ...but then again, its topic has over 241,000 views when most topics don't have 10,000 views. It also looks like you have to register to vote. So...I'll give it some lee-way, but I'm not impressed yet; I think the controversy of Blizzard/Relic caused a LOT of the views and posts. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/1/2009 10:08:07 PM | message detail |
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The thing that interests me the most with that is that another VERY
VERY close match the day before; valve vs turbine, had 80k less views,
when that one seems to be almost as controversial if not as
controversial. I just gotta wonder how many of those extra views came
from people on wow insider that just didnt bother wanting to sign up. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-03-23.gif |
| Justin_Crossing | Posted 4/1/2009 10:11:39 PM | message detail |
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Also Albion it's obviously a joke because one of the addons is High Roller --- http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/gif.gif |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/1/2009 10:25:55 PM | message detail |
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1) Blizzard/Relic's match also had 3,000+ more posts than
Turbine/Valve. That will naturally jack up the views too; I think I've
heard you should expect a post for every ten views...so that would
explain 30,000 of those extra views if that's right. The debate itself
also probably caused extra views. Who knows after that; I'm sure you're
partially right, but it's rather hard to say. 2) Turbine/Valve still had more votes than Blizzard/Relic. 3) Turbine won against Valve in its allotted time without cheating. Blizzard lost against Relic in over-time despite cheating. There are differences worth noting. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| Lopen | Posted 4/1/2009 11:17:53 PM | message detail |
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So wait a guy who is taking WoW to the finals calls Galaxy > Brawl people stupid? Really? Yeah, that's all I got. Seriously though what's up with the WoW support. Fodder cannot be rallied to wins. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/1/2009 11:20:47 PM | message detail |
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From: Lopen | Posted: 4/2/2009 2:17:53 AM | #261 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2925 --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/1/2009 11:25:29 PM | message detail |
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And I have WoW getting second place twice because it would be ****ing
hilarious to see it knock off Halo 2 and San Andreas consecutively. I
agree WoW is being a overrated, but it wouldn't take much to knock off
those two games. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| Justin_Crossing | Posted 4/1/2009 11:30:38 PM | message detail |
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Btw everybody MSG4 > LBP Not Portal --- http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/gif.gif |
| Lopen | Posted 4/1/2009 11:32:24 PM | message detail |
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Uhhh L-Block was never fodder even before the rallies. Thing held tough
with Kirby in the first round. Kirby's no Link but if L-Block's base
strength was way lower it wouldn't even think of getting at all close
to Link. Halo 2 and MGS3 should eliminate it in R1. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it had trouble beating Okami. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/1/2009 11:35:28 PM | message detail |
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Lopen, you don't have to worry. World of Warcraft isn't a joke entry; you don't have to say such things! --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Lopen | Posted 4/1/2009 11:37:23 PM | message detail |
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I don't hate WoW. This is not bias. These are just facts my man. Assuming that's what you were getting at. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/1/2009 11:38:31 PM | message detail |
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Do you think WoW is the strongest game in the Warcraft series? --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Lopen | Posted 4/1/2009 11:41:06 PM | message detail |
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Not a chance. I'd take Warcraft 3 over it with some ease. I'd consider
Warcraft 2 also but would probably hesitantly go WoW there. I think the
RTS's presence is underrated around here-- that's why it beat GTA. Not
a game with a 20% playrate. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/1/2009 11:43:35 PM | message detail |
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It's a 35% playrate. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/1/2009 11:43:51 PM | message detail |
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I've thought about this for a long time about WoW but never really
wanted to ask until now: do you think WoW's performances in recent
GotY-polls deceptively under-rate it? I know we've seen ports of games
do far worse here than the original releases (LoZ:LttP and MGS2/3 come
to mind). Do you think expansions are similar? If that's the case, WoW
would be significantly stronger than what we've seen in recent years.
People are probably becoming less and less inclined to consider it
GotY-material when it makes it into every GotY-poll the past few years. If that happens, I'll bite the bullet; I'm not changing my bracket because of second-guessing at this point. Still, how do you guys feel about WoW:TBC and WoW:WotLK significantly under-rating WoW? --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| Lopen | Posted 4/1/2009 11:44:09 PM | message detail |
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I mean. The thing about WoW... logic says it can
be popular, it certainly has the playerbase. But I just don't see where
it gets votes based on the WoW playership polls. It can rally its heart
out but if it's capping at like 15% from GameFAQs faithful it's not
going to go anywhere. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| Lopen | Posted 4/1/2009 11:47:20 PM | message detail |
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35% playrate is still trash. Think about it this way: Without rallying, the game's ceiling
is what it needs to take first in any given match. And given the
enthusiasm (or lack thereof) in the responses that comprise that 35%,
you'd be a fool to expect it to get even 20% without rallying against
games worth their salt. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/1/2009 11:49:46 PM | message detail |
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Guess I'm a fool, because I think it has a shot! --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Lopen | Posted 4/1/2009 11:50:13 PM | message detail |
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As for those GotY polls-- I never really even considered them to mean
much. It'd be one thing if they were crushing the polls... but since
they're not, "it's an expansion" is a valid excuse in my books. It's
really just the total playrate that has me thinking WoW doesn't have a
snowball's chance in hell of doing anything. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| ZFS | Posted 4/1/2009 11:51:07 PM | message detail |
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Agreein' with Lopen here on WoW. --- doth thou desire the power |
| WarThaHedgehog | Posted 4/1/2009 11:51:08 PM | message detail |
| If we really want to take GotY polls into account, through 2004 Halo 2 beats WoW without breaking a sweat! >_>; |
| Lopen | Posted 4/1/2009 11:52:54 PM | message detail |
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That is especially impressive considering the site used to hate Halo...! Watch out world Halo 2 is coming. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 12:09:49 AM | message detail |
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WoW's active userbase outnumbers Final Fantasy 7 sales. High ceiling there, Lopes <_< --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| ZFS | Posted 4/2/2009 12:11:52 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3328 'whoops' --- doth thou desire the power |
| whatev | Posted 4/2/2009 12:13:04 AM | message detail |
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Hmm, it seems like AVG doesn't want me to go to SC2k4.com. I wonder
why. Oh well, the only things of value there that aren't on the new
site were the old stat topics, and I can get them from NGamer's site. --- The world is toroidal. Exposed armpits are sexy. |
| jonthomson | Posted 4/2/2009 12:15:34 AM | message detail |
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people aren't thinking enough about how easy this format makes it for starcraft to go really deep --- Jon Thomson - 1:10 pure 1:43 100% - HKP: 179 Super Metroid's Path To Glory: R1 vs. Sonic 3, Gunstar Heroes, Super Mario Kart |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/2/2009 12:17:49 AM | message detail |
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You know, I bet Starcraft's player rate is pretty low as well! At least
PRETEND WoW has a non-negligible shot. There'll be no more perfect
brackets by day ten, so for anyone to talk with such certainty and
bravado when we're all in for a spanking is kind of silly. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/2/2009 12:18:16 AM | message detail |
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If I didn't have Starcraft/Diablo 2 meet up, I may have taken one of them to reach the final match. As is though...can't do it. I will say this though: I will be furious if SB doesn't do something to ensure us cheating isn't allowed if the Blizzard games (or, really, any game) start doing some real fishy stuff. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/2/2009 12:19:06 AM | message detail |
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The problem with Starcraft is the second round split against Half-Life
- a game that won't just lay down and surrender all its support. Of
course, if you don't have Half-Life there, then I guess the sky's the
limit. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| ZFS | Posted 4/2/2009 12:22:34 AM | message detail |
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WoW's got a shot at moving on for a round, maybe two, but I've never
believed it's because of its strength. The only reason to expect it to
do anything is because of rallying, which isn't a terrible reason to go
with it. But everything we've got points to WoW not being worth much of
anything. --- doth thou desire the power |
| jonthomson | Posted 4/2/2009 12:24:35 AM | message detail |
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i have wow getting to where it meets resi 4, mgs3 and twilight
princess. i can't see how it gets through that at all. whereas i have
starcraft coming second in the whole contest --- Jon Thomson - 1:10 pure 1:43 100% - HKP: 179 Super Metroid's Path To Glory: R1 vs. Sonic 3, Gunstar Heroes, Super Mario Kart |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/2/2009 12:26:09 AM | message detail |
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I'm not scared of Half-Life messing up Starcraft; between Starcraft
>= LoZ:WW > MP > HL in 2004, Starcraft being the top PC game
in the Top 100 List, and them only sharing consoles (and everybody has
a PC here, pretty much, though I know it's unfair to say that)...I
don't think it'll be a big problem. FF8 will stand out more than
Starcraft, to be fair, but I don't think that kind of factor will
really matter in that match-up. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| ZFS | Posted 4/2/2009 12:30:01 AM | message detail |
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FFVIII's one I've been thinking about for a while. It's risky, and
kinda unlikely, but that could make it all the way to the quarterfinals
if things fall into place for it -- FFIX and FFT not being in round 2
and 3, specifically. FFVIII vs. MGS might seem like it goes to Metal
Gear, but I'd expect most of the bigger FF games to give it problems.
Don't think I'll take it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened! --- doth thou desire the power |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/2/2009 12:32:53 AM | message detail |
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Half-Life has had some decent room for growth since the olden days,
though, and I don't think it's unreasonable to think Starcraft may have
slightly declined (or at least stagnated) in popularity. All Half-Life
needs to do is hinder the bigger PC game just enough for a game that
has been more screwed by multi-poll options than any other to get by. I
think Half-Life can hold enough of its own fanbase, and I think FFVIII,
which is actually one spot ahead of Starcraft in the Top 100 (!!), has
the inherent strength to capitalize. And honestly, if I had to pick just one bracket dark horse, it would be FFVIII. It missed the games contest and is never in a poll without FFVII there to steal 8 million percent of its support. I still might roll the dice and take it over MGS. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| jonthomson | Posted 4/2/2009 12:40:14 AM | message detail |
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All Half-Life needs to do is hinder the bigger PC game just enough
for a game that has been more screwed by multi-poll options than any
other to get by. this of course assumes that half-life beats out ff9. while i think it does, and that ff name recognition won't be enough in this case, if it doesn't then, ff8 is screwed. it'll have been stated many times, but this is a format where something only needs to rally to 30% of the vote to advance. starcraft has done it before to 50%. and i don't think the increase voting numbers make a difference. to get through with 150k total votes you only need about 45k to be sure and starcraft easily put up that much against superior opposition than what it will face in round 2 --- Jon Thomson - 1:10 pure 1:43 100% - HKP: 179 Super Metroid's Path To Glory: R1 vs. Sonic 3, Gunstar Heroes, Super Mario Kart |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/2/2009 12:40:16 AM | message detail |
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FFVIII's one I've been thinking about for a while. It's risky, and
kinda unlikely, but that could make it all the way to the quarterfinals
if things fall into place for it I agree, but hell, why not the finals? FFVIII has always stayed pretty close behind X in those "favorite FF" polls, and that's despite VII and IX both there to presumably hurt it a lot more. We really have no idea how the two games will fare against each other on even ground. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| ZFS | Posted 4/2/2009 12:40:23 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, that's always the problem with those FF polls -- FFVII siphons
away about half the votes. It's probably behind FFX and FFVI as far as
strength goes, but how far is anybody's guess. There's some real reason
to doubt it, though. We've never seen any of its characters make the
contest, despite multiple rallies for 'em, and Squall is more KH made
than he is FFVIII. The MyGames scores aren't too hot either. Killer upset pick, though. I've been tempted for a while. The only problem is it has to have a lot of stuff goes its way. --- doth thou desire the power |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/2/2009 12:45:41 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, Half-Life needs to do its share to get the ball rolling. Don't flub this one up, Gordon! I will say, though, that I can't think of a more board-shattering upset than FFVIII > MGS and FFX. Heck, I don't think any of us will be too surprised if Starcraft or WoW make a run, because we've come to expect that in this format. A FFVIII run, especially against its competition, would be way bigger. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
