GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 661
| The Mana Sword | Posted 3/31/2009 12:12:05 PM | message detail |
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Especially after all the hard work I did making the picture ! --- Kleenex...at work! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/31/2009 12:13:52 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of which, can you post that again? --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 3/31/2009 12:14:36 PM | message detail |
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http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/KleenexTissue501/Bonus-1.png hail --- Kleenex...at work! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/31/2009 1:01:44 PM | message detail |
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 3/31/2009 1:51:58 PM | #035 If Final Fantasy X makes the final, I don't think FF7 has a prayer of taking first place. For one, we've seen Final Fantasy vs Zelda before and LTTP/OOT/FF7/FFX would just be this poll split 4 ways: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2455 Two: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3306 Cloud : Crono :: FF7 : FFX It's not unreasonable to put OOT in Link's place there, so you're basically asking LTTP to syphon 11,000 votes away from OOT. That's one hell of a split, and even if it happens you're dealing with FF7 anti-votes and FFX pulling its own leech work. I mean sure it's an upset, but FF7 winning is not some mortal lock like Sephiroth was in the villain's contest. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 3/31/2009 1:03:37 PM | message detail |
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You can't really use that poll to prove any kind of point with Snake-Block there. --- Kleenex...at work! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/31/2009 1:04:06 PM | message detail |
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And I really hate always posting this poll, but http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2995 I see no reason FFX won't syphon the living hell out of FF7. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/31/2009 1:05:31 PM | message detail |
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From: The Mana Sword | Posted: 3/31/2009 4:03:37 PM | #055 The only point I'm trying to prove is FF7 is no lock. People thought FF was a lock in the series contest (I recall a few comments about how FF the series would be the strongest contest entity of all time), and look what happened to it. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 3/31/2009 1:07:16 PM | message detail |
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I don't think anyone who's really serious about predicting this thing
thinks FFVII's a lock. I still think it's the favorite, but anyone who
thinks anything is a lock in this contest is out of their mind. --- Kleenex...at work! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/31/2009 1:14:59 PM | message detail |
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Huge favorite, but not a lock. If anything, FFVII translates even
better to this format; the people who die to vote for it are just as
strong, while the people who die to vote against it are diluted.
However, there's one reason why I think Ocarina still has a plausible
shot: the very real possibility that OoT + LttP grab more than 50% of
the vote between them (made even more real if the fourth entrant is
FFX). Even a performance that's a couple of points over the majority
(say, 52%) suddenly makes this an SFF game. We all know FFX gets
trashed, but we're not sure exactly what the Nintendo fanbase will or
can do to LttP to keep their top game competitive. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/31/2009 1:16:59 PM | message detail |
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People said that FF7 was a lock in the 2004 Games Contest, too... and
that arguably DID pan out, depending on how easy you think that OoT win
was. 2006 has recency, but 2004 was, y'know, an actual Games contest, FF7 had a more clear-cut win, and the trendline favors it until contrary evidence says otherwise. I *would* say that FF7 winning this thing is a lock, given the bracket setup - as much as Link winning last year was also a lock. Sure, there's a path to victory we can see for someone else that's dependent on an unlikely occurrence (Mario making the finals = gg Link remember <_<), and there might be a Snake-scare... but at the end of the day, when the dust settles, FF7 losing seems like a one in a million chance. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/31/2009 1:18:27 PM | message detail |
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I'd say it's closer to one in a hundred >__________________________________> --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/31/2009 1:19:56 PM | message detail |
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There's no question that LttP is gonna get walloped if OoT is anywhere
remotely near FF7 (Cloud and Sephiroth aren't far off in strength at
all, and look at what happened to the latter when Cloud got into
trouble). But that's gonna be nothing compared to what would happen to
FFX. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| charmander6000 | Posted 3/31/2009 1:22:05 PM | message detail |
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The problem that I have with LttP > FFVII is that FFVI and CT are
both SNES games and could very well weaken LttP (not more than FFVII,
but enough to prevent it from winning) --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/31/2009 1:27:40 PM | message detail |
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Also, on the topic of FFX hurting FF7... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2593 FF7 gets 72%+ on FFX as of 2006. as compared to http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225 OoT gets 58% on LttP as of 2003. This poll is a little harder to gauge (older, disproportional SFF interference from 2D and 3D Zeldas), but LttP can only fold so much. Sephiroth collapsed more than anyone thought possible - and Cloud still lost. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 3/31/2009 1:37:16 PM | message detail |
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you were also vote stuffing for snake but that's besides the point --- Kleenex...at work! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/31/2009 1:39:21 PM | message detail |
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And if anything that should show how pointless this discussion is because MGS is gonna be making the finals anyway! --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Mr3790 | Posted 3/31/2009 1:42:18 PM | message detail |
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Tagging FFR. --- AC:WW Code: Name:Mr.378 Town:Darkcity FC: 4210-5769-8462 GENO WHIRL! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/31/2009 1:46:35 PM | message detail |
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I have WoW and SMB3 in the finals, so FF7 winning was pretty obvious
for my bracket. If FFX gets there instead of WoW, I'd have to give it
to OoT. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/31/2009 1:52:44 PM | message detail |
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Oh man, I remember when FF won the Series Contest in the first update against Diablo. That was fun to see proven wrong! --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 3/31/2009 1:59:55 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy won the contest against Diablo and lost it in the first update against Super Mario Bros.! I do think the series contest can be instructive, though not because of people (like me) anointing FFVII as the winner, but rather as showing how bad an idea it is to rely on the 2004 stats. But I think most people know that already. And anyway it's a moot point for the final because LttP is such a huge handicap for Ocarina. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 2:18:17 PM | message detail |
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What's everybody feel about Link's Awakening? --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| Yesmar | Posted 3/31/2009 2:34:37 PM | message detail |
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The trickiest part about predicting the final is that the 4th game to
make it is a complete wildcard. I think we can all agree that the Final
will be made up of: FFVII OoT Either SMB3 or LttP* On the other hand, I could kinda see any of the following making the Finals from the bottom half: MGS FFVIII Starcraft FFX Halo Diablo II GTA III SSBM GTA: San Andreas WoW RE4 MGS4 SSBB SMG Fallout 3 A lot of these are *extreme* long shots but I could make an argument for any of them. *I could see an argument for Chrono Trigger here but it's an absolute long shot --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
| ZFS | Posted 3/31/2009 3:00:24 PM | message detail |
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I think it's easy to narrow that list down to a choice few -- FFX, MGS,
RE4, and MGS4, specifically. The big ones with an outside but unlikely
shot would be like FFVIII and StarCraft. --- doth thou desire the power |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/31/2009 3:02:18 PM | message detail |
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Starcraft isn't going anywhere. It will be splitting with Diablo in the quarters against an untouched OoT and FFX --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| plasmabeam | Posted 3/31/2009 3:39:25 PM | message detail |
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What's everybody feel about Link's Awakening? When the bracket came out, I sent it to Round 3 and never looked back. People are overrating the Mega Man games like hell. Zelda absolutely decimated MMX in the series contest, and I'd take the biggest non-Pokemon handheld game of the 90's over a single Mega Man title anyday. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| plasmabeam | Posted 3/31/2009 3:42:51 PM | message detail |
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Starcraft isn't going anywhere. It will be splitting with Diablo in the quarters against an untouched OoT and FFX The Blizzard match that worries me the most is Halo/Diablo/SSBM/WW. I like Halo snagging first in that one with no issues, but I'm terrified of Diablo knocking out Melee. And at the same time I get the feeling that Diablo will be a bust. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| plasmabeam | Posted 3/31/2009 3:45:40 PM | message detail |
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One more thing... do any of you guys have a link to that Mario vs.
Crono picture with the 4 guys who are fist pumping and screaming
"CRONO!!!" and "It's past 12 o'clock, why hasn't Cjayc stopped the
poll?!"? I'm desperate for a laugh, and the "CRONO!!!" guy's expression
always kills me. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/31/2009 3:46:49 PM | message detail |
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From: plasmabeam | #076 You are putting too much stock into Halo. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-03-23.gif |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/31/2009 3:47:17 PM | message detail |
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I wanna see that picture too. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| plasmabeam | Posted 3/31/2009 3:50:08 PM | message detail |
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From: plasmabeam | #076 Starcraft isn't going anywhere. It will be splitting with Diablo in the quarters against an untouched OoT and FFX The Blizzard match that worries me the most is Halo/Diablo/SSBM/WW. I like Halo snagging first in that one with no issues, but I'm terrified of Diablo knocking out Melee. And at the same time I get the feeling that Diablo will be a bust. You are putting too much stock into Halo. I'd take Melee if WW wasn't there, but I'm banking on Halo to stand out and grab the Xbox/Shooter vote. Diablo's just a huge wild card. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/31/2009 3:51:02 PM | message detail |
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Wind Waker is going to be smashed by Melee, making Melee > Diablo the most likely finish. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-03-23.gif |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/31/2009 3:51:55 PM | message detail |
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I've got Diablo > Melee there. Wind Waker is going to get pummeled. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/31/2009 4:02:51 PM | message detail |
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I'll take Diablo > SSBM there, too. LoZ:WW should hold up decently
in R1, but fall apart in R2. With any luck, SSBM won't be dragged down
too bad by it. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 4:37:22 PM | message detail |
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Seeing FFX in that century poll and losing to Melee, I'm reluctant to have it second. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| Link4Ever3095 | Posted 3/31/2009 5:04:08 PM | message detail |
| Blizzard games are always such wild cards in these contests, i never know what to do with them >_< |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/31/2009 5:52:06 PM | message detail |
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It doesn't help that all 3 of them are in positions to take advantage of SFF for deep runs. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/31/2009 6:15:48 PM | message detail |
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I know you guys are hesitant to put support behind Grand Theft Auto but
I've had GTA3 ousting Diablo 2 from day one and have felt pretty good
about it. As lame as GTA's series contest performance was I'd say
Diablo's was arguably even worse. I also don't think that the failure
of the GTA character should mean much-- GTA still does really well in
the GotY polls, which is what we should be looking at. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 6:19:42 PM | message detail |
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That's a valid point, but how well would GTA III do; the weakest of the PS2 GTA's? Vice City undoubtedly fell since 2004, and GTA III probably fell even harder. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/31/2009 6:23:42 PM | message detail |
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As lame as GTA's series contest performance was I'd say Diablo's was arguably even worse. What are you talking about, the series contest? Look who GTA faced, then look who Diablo faced. No way in hell Diablo could've beaten Final Fantasy. I also don't think that the failure of the GTA character should mean much-- GTA still does really well in the GotY polls, which is what we should be looking at. Oh? GTA4 looked like complete and utter ass against Fallout 3. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 6:24:51 PM | message detail |
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It didn't look *that* bad. It would have likely gotten 4th in that poll
with the combination of games. It was the closest to Fallout 3 than any
other else below it. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/31/2009 6:32:18 PM | message detail |
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Yes, but GTA would've done better against Final Fantasy, I bet. Getting blown out 85-15, even by Final Fantasy, is pretty sad. And I'm not talking about GTA4. I'm talking about GTA3. Personally I see GTA:SA > GTA3 > Vice City > 4. Maybe that's just me though. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/31/2009 6:34:22 PM | message detail |
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And I think GTA3 should have the most staying power, simply because it
was the first GTA game that mattered and likely one of the first games
many PS2 owners played. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/31/2009 6:34:39 PM | message detail |
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GTA definitely would have done better against FF. Diablo was a well-known RPG going up against an even more well-known RPG. --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/31/2009 6:35:04 PM | message detail |
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I know you guys are hesitant to put support behind Grand Theft Auto
but I've had GTA3 ousting Diablo 2 from day one and have felt pretty
good about it. As lame as GTA's series contest performance was I'd say
Diablo's was arguably even worse. I also don't think that the failure
of the GTA character should mean much-- GTA still does really well in
the GotY polls, which is what we should be looking at. And every time GTA or its characters are put in a debatable match, people point back to the GotY polls. Every time, those people are left face palming and swearing to never again trust PotD polls. True story. Here's hoping you learn from the mistakes of others. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/31/2009 6:37:59 PM | message detail |
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True story. Here's hoping you learn from the mistakes of others. The problem with that whole approach is that there's no transitivity here. It's not saying "GTA: SA did well against other games in a multigame situation so Carl Johnson will do well against other characters in a 1v1" or "GTA: SA did well against other games so the series will do well against other series" This is "GTA3 did well against games in GotY polls so it will do well against games here" Trust me, the only times I bet on GTA is when I think the opposition is just that weak (vs Warcraft and Ness). Not the case here at all. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/31/2009 6:39:27 PM | message detail |
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The one time GTA has been in a poll in a single game contest it didn't disappoint. It did outperform MGS2 after all --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/31/2009 6:41:45 PM | message detail |
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And also, I don't really consider Diablo 2 an RPG. I'm more tempted to
believe that the series really isn't that loved around here. Didn't it
do poorly on the top 100/not place at all? I know it always did
terribly in the PotDs. Only thing that has me doubting it is the
popularity of the message board here, which could be attributed to
things other than popularity, really. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| trannyscience | Posted 3/31/2009 6:42:51 PM | message detail |
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yeah, it did awful -- top 20 awful. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 3/31/2009 6:43:33 PM | message detail |
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Time to consult The List #20: Diablo II - PC #21: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - PS2 #22: Super Mario Bros. - NES #23: Super Mario World - SNES #24: Super Metroid - SNES #25: Half-Life 2 - PC #26: Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars - SNES #27: Grand Theft Auto III - PS2 --- doth thou desire the power |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/31/2009 6:45:11 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm "well then." Still think GTA3's being underestimated. And it's not as if the top 100s are something that should be trusted too much but I'm just getting the facts here. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
