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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 661

MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/2/2009 3:43:53 PM | message detail
LoZ/SMB is the only thing probably in the top half that's bothered me more than normal besides RE/Castlevania (which I still think will be reasonably close).
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/2/2009 3:44:45 PM | message detail
CoD > Brawl is not really an upset, unless you're one of those wackos thinking Galaxy > Brawl.

You can't have MM3 in the quarters and not MM2 since they both rely on the exact same logic to happen.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 3:45:29 PM | message detail
Turtle, you are gonna be burned so hard that day.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/2/2009 3:46:13 PM | message detail
For the record, using Ramza as a base of comparison for FFT is a bad idea. Until Ramza's name contains the words "Final Fantasy" in it anyway. Final Fantasy Tactics only came as close as it did because of the brand name. Ramza's not a popular character and never was. I'm saying this as a guy who loves Ramza to death, for the record. The game will always be more popular than Ramza.

P.S. Majora's Mask/FFT will be closer than MGS/FFT, for the record. And that's not a knock on FFT. That's just how far along MGS has come.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 3:47:15 PM | message detail
This contest really needs to be only sweden

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3289&region=SE

Hogger to the third round baby
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Calintares | Posted 4/2/2009 3:49:16 PM | message detail
Only Asia would be extremely weird
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ZFS | Posted 4/2/2009 3:50:23 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3300&region=ASI

Only Asia looks like a winner to me!

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/2/2009 3:50:51 PM | message detail
Of my "upsets", FFT > MGS is the one I'm least comfortable about. Too many games in that match with too wide a range. I still feel comfortable that Tactics beats MGS, even though the logic I'm using for that match is the opposite as the Brawl > Galaxy logic (which is hilarious given you guys who are the other way around and just as contradictory)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/2/2009 3:51:08 PM | message detail
Yeah, man, get back to Asia and we're back to SquareFAQs all the way!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 3:51:10 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask is another game that's being criminally overrated. I do not understand the hype for this one.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/2/2009 3:53:35 PM | message detail
You can't have MM3 in the quarters and not MM2 since they both rely on the exact same logic to happen.

Sure, the logic is the similar but:

• I think the gap between the MM2 and LoZ is larger then the gap between MM3 and SMW
• SMB3 will hurt SMW more then SMB will hurt LoZ

I made that decision because I think LoZ > SMW is the reason there Turtle.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/2/2009 3:53:37 PM | message detail
If R/B/Y wasn't there I'd have taken it to beat the utter crap out of FFT/MGS.

Even with it there I'm worried.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/2/2009 3:54:13 PM | message detail
SMW > LoZ

MM2 > MM3

What are you smoking?
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ZFS | Posted 4/2/2009 3:54:25 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3306&region=ASI
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3250&region=ASI

best ever

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 3:54:29 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3251&region=ASI

lol Asia loves all their jrpgs characters; except for lloyd xD
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/2/2009 3:54:48 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask should do all right. I think I have it over FFT for now because I think FFT's fallen (I also think MM would have beaten it in 2004 on a hunch).
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 3:58:45 PM | message detail
I have Majoras Mask stronger then Wind Waker and Twilight Princess but still a bit behind LttP for 3rd strongest Zelda game
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/2/2009 4:00:58 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask...third strongest Zelda?

Huh.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 4:01:59 PM | message detail
Maybe I'm overestimating it but didn't it get tons of noms in 2004 but was knocked out cuz of OoT? And Majoras Mask I generally see people considering one of the top Zeldas, and I see more praise for it then Wind Waker or Twilight Princess
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/2/2009 4:02:04 PM | message detail
OoT > LTTP > The Original LoZ

Like hell Majora's Mask even survives against SMB3.. well, it could, but..
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/2/2009 4:03:30 PM | message detail
I can't see Majora's Mask being too far off of Twilight Princess, and I can't see LoZ beating either of them.
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ZFS | Posted 4/2/2009 4:04:00 PM | message detail
Majora's Mask the third strongest Zelda time to rethink this

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 4:04:16 PM | message detail
Also in the top 100 list, its 5th, but one spot behind Wind Waker (which is probably not as popular now since it was the most recent Zelda, and Legend of Zelda for NES (which is only really popular cuz of it being the first in the franchise... it, like original Super Mario Bros, doesnt hold a candle if up against the better games in the series). And Twilight Princess to me, hasn't seemed to gotten the praise and fans that Wind Waker did at the time, so right now, I believe Majoras Mask is a tiny bit ahead of both of them in popularity.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:10:20 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225

That's supposed to beat Pokemon RBY or Final Fantasy Tactics? Come on.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 4:10:22 PM | message detail
Wind Waker: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/home/469050.html (8.7 Gamefaq User Rating)
Twilight Princess: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/home/928519.html (8.8 Gamefaq User rating) (lol 8.8)
Majora's Mask: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/home/197770.html (8.9 Gamefaq User Rating)

Just seems like to me, Majoras mask is typically the third in the Zelda totem poll. I might be wrong since I don't follow Zelda alot, but its what it seems like.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 4:11:20 PM | message detail
Ulti, I thought better of you then to use 6 year old polls with its main source of SFF, OoT, there.
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Calintares | Posted 4/2/2009 4:13:09 PM | message detail
Majoras Mask is likely very vulnerable to SFF from OoT

have it ever been in a poll outside of OoT?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/2/2009 4:13:09 PM | message detail
Well it's not much but

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3199

Close to Goldeneye maybe?
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/2/2009 4:13:51 PM | message detail
Either way, there's been almost nothing kind to Majora's Mask in the polls. Also, I thought too many people were disappointed by Majora's Mask?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:14:15 PM | message detail
Actually, here's a more realistic poll to use: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3199

You think Pokemon RBY or Final Fantasy Tactics wouldn't beat MM in that poll?
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/2/2009 4:15:04 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #475
Wind Waker: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/home/469050.html (8.7 Gamefaq User Rating)
Twilight Princess: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/home/928519.html (8.8 Gamefaq User rating) (lol 8.8)
Majora's Mask: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/home/197770.html (8.9 Gamefaq User Rating)

Just seems like to me, Majoras mask is typically the third in the Zelda totem poll. I might be wrong since I don't follow Zelda alot, but its what it seems like.


Majora's Mask is unique because it has this little niche in the Zelda fanbase who really approve or like how different MM was with regards to the rest of the series. I guess being the next Zelda after OOT, you might as well do something unexpected.

I think MM will be no better or worse than any other Zelda game in the contest. Obviously, it's not going to have OOT or LTTP power, but I think it can hold it's own.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 4:15:20 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #479
Either way, there's been almost nothing kind to Majora's Mask in the polls. Also, I thought too many people were disappointed by Majora's Mask?


Majoras Mask suffers from the same thing FF8 does; People expected more out of the sequel to one of the greatest games of all time. Its not that the game is bad, its just expectations.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:15:30 PM | message detail
Wanting a game on VC and voting for it over RBY/FFT are two entirely different animals. Voters aren't as dumb as we'd like to think.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/2/2009 4:16:00 PM | message detail
Those polls aren't reliable for gauging contest strength unless you're telling me you've got Battletoads beating out FFI in the first round.

Or Earthbound advancing out of round 1.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/2/2009 4:16:36 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #479
Either way, there's been almost nothing kind to Majora's Mask in the polls. Also, I thought too many people were disappointed by Majora's Mask?


I wouldn't say "disappointed", just the reaction was different that time because of how strange, dark and weird MM was in relation to the rest of the series. Instead of "OMG ZELDA OMG!" it was more "Wow, I've never played a Zelda game like this...damn this is strange but really awesome".
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:16:41 PM | message detail
I actually do have EarthBound getting out of the first round.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 4:16:43 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #480
Actually, here's a more realistic poll to use: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3199

You think Pokemon RBY or Final Fantasy Tactics wouldn't beat MM in that poll?


And to answer this... I don't have high hopes for FFT, so I think it beats it easily. Pokemon R/Y/B I believe is a toss up. I seem to be in the minority for thinking that R/Y/B is going to be really strong though.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:17:45 PM | message detail

From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 4/2/2009 7:16:36 PM | #471
I wouldn't say "disappointed", just the reaction was different that time because of how strange, dark and weird MM was in relation to the rest of the series. Instead of "OMG ZELDA OMG!" it was more "Wow, I've never played a Zelda game like this...damn this is strange but really awesome".


It's a good game, but the 3 day system was garbage. I hate losing all my items.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/2/2009 4:17:46 PM | message detail
Sorry, I'm seeing more and more arguments about MM after I make my post.

FF8 got a lot more criticism than MM did, at least that's what I observed. MM got glowing reviews regardless, sold pretty well given it was a late comer on the N64 and the Zelda fanbase approves.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/2/2009 4:18:08 PM | message detail
And I still don't get why people expect a Pokemon game to outdo a Zelda game. Find me one speck of evidence supporting that.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 4:19:54 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #490
And I still don't get why people expect a Pokemon game to outdo a Zelda game. Find me one speck of evidence supporting that.


One thing is that I don't see Pokemon and Zelda SFFing as much as some Nintendo series. Stereotype or not, I see Pokemon typically being younger people and Zelda being a bit older group of people. Sure there will be some split, but I don't see like a Mario/Zelda split or anything.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:20:12 PM | message detail
RBY is the one universally-beloved Pokemon game. Everyone likes RBY, even if they detest the series.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/2/2009 4:20:46 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #492
RBY is the one universally-beloved Pokemon game. Everyone likes RBY, even if they detest the series.


I gotta back up this statement. I'm not a Pokemon fan in general, nor a Nintendo fan in general... but R/B/Y is one of my top 10 games.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/2/2009 4:22:12 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #480
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3199


Ignoring Goldeneye because there are extraneous circumstances behind it's performance in that poll (Rare apparently had the game ready, Nintendo killed it, gaming blogs went insane, etc.).

I think that's more indicative that people haven't forgotten about MM than about it's strength. Every argument against it here seems to revolve around MM being the black sheep of Zelda. I think this poll works as an argument against that claim.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:23:35 PM | message detail
I love the game and it has potential; I just think RBY and FFT are stronger is all.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:25:32 PM | message detail
And Nintendo has seriously grown stupid beyond all reasonable measure. Why would you NOT want Wiimote Goldeneye on VC? It's common ****ing sense.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:27:26 PM | message detail
And right on cue, the DSi commercial comes on. Holy **** does Nintendo make me puke sometimes. "She kicks high" for DoA is the only gamer commercial worse than this.

Believe it or not Nintendo, but gamers aren't all braindead social recluses.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/2/2009 4:28:17 PM | message detail
Majora's mask getting that close to Goldeneye... yeah, can't see Pokemon doing that.

Granted, Perfect Dark was holding Goldeneye back, but Pokemon couldn't even beat Metroid, and we all know where Zelda stands on that Nintendo totem pole in comparison to Metroid.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:28:56 PM | message detail
Good riddance, ER.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/2/2009 4:29:03 PM | message detail
Play EarthBound.
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