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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 660

Karma Hunter | Posted 3/30/2009 11:36:24 PM | message detail
Because this site is getting to the point where a large swath of the population would rather vote for a yellow dog than a big-time Nintendo representative. Which is also the case with FF7, but that's been a part of its intrinsic strength for as long as it whooped up on the field five years ago.

...y'know, LttP in the finals and all aside.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/30/2009 11:50:01 PM | message detail
I've been wracking my brain for a minute, and I can't figure out just who this "yellow dog" is. Pikachu? Some kind of Pikachu/L-Block hybrid?
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creativename | Posted 3/30/2009 11:51:38 PM | message detail
Thank you SBA! This region thing is great.

It's confirmed that SBA does a better job on the technical side than on the strategic decision making side.

Oh and on Oregon Trail - I think it could potentially smash most perfects very early on.
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ZFS | Posted 3/30/2009 11:52:08 PM | message detail
I'm not sure what a lot of that has to do with Final Fantasy VII and Ocarina of Time. Zelda honestly doesn't see any more major releases than Final Fantasy does, or even Final Fantasy VII for the matter. Both series had their last major game in 2006, and both have received a handheld game or two since then. You could bring up OoT on the VC, but that argument doesn't do anything for me. It's the equivalent of FFVII getting a release on PSN -- it's not really that noteworthy.

The bigger thing here is that Final Fantasy VII has always been enormously popular here, before and after 'SquareFAQs,' and with how anti-Nintendo everyone seems to be, going against it these days might be worse than going against it back in '04. You're either going to end up with two Square games and two Nintendo games, or one Square game, two Nintendo games, and one unrelated. Picking against FFVII isn't a smart move.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/30/2009 11:55:54 PM | message detail
Since when did HM have a Xenogears sig.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/31/2009 12:01:20 AM | message detail
Oregon Trail is the kind of game that nearly everyone has played. Whether that translates to votes or not, who knows..
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/31/2009 12:02:48 AM | message detail
Do kids still play Oregon Trail these days?
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creativename | Posted 3/31/2009 12:25:34 AM | message detail
I'm keeping a list of the "super secret hidden mystery ninja" country codes on my site:
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/47

Go ahead and pull it. FF III/VI and CT may be SNES games, but people are really overusing that argument. I'd buy the "FFVII is just that god damned beastly" argument before I buy a clear lie like that, because we all know those two games will hurt FFVII a lot more, SNES or not.

I agree completely.

I think people just find it hard to get their heads around FF7 getting 2nd place so early - which they shouldn't, because this is 4-ways after all, and that wouldn't be nearly as crazy as a ton of stuff we've seen.

As I've said before, I have some concern for FF7 in that match.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/31/2009 12:27:41 AM | message detail
I have LttP first there. It's not like I'm going to win either way, what's wrong with doing what you want
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/31/2009 1:39:23 AM | message detail
I'm keeping a list of the "super secret hidden mystery ninja" country codes on my site:
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/47


I got to send in a feedback ticket earlier to get those 5 countries linked to on the poll results page. At the same time, I reported a problem with poll 3307. For poll 3307, there are no links to view the results by region. But I discovered that you can view the results by region:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3307

Now for the United States only:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3307&region=US
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/31/2009 1:47:29 AM | message detail
Yeah, I'm betting on LoZ:LttP. FF7 will lose most of its old-school Square-support, plus LoZ:LttP's already worth at least as much as CT was worth on FF7 in 2004. That's the most favorable position to be in if you want to beat FF7, and LoZ:LttP is strong enough to take advantage of that.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/31/2009 2:09:57 AM | message detail
I'm one of those that believe the final standings will look like this:

Final Fantasy VII
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario Bros. 3
Final Fantasy VI

CT/FFVI will suck away enough votes to make LTTP look stronger against FFVII.

FFVII still places 1st.
LTTP > OOT!
Bahahaha.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 4:19:04 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #441
Just look at the size of India/China compared to Japan. Result isn't that surprising. Japan just seems big because this board is obsessed with that country.


lol Turtle.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/31/2009 4:24:14 AM | message detail
charmander6000 | Posted 3/30/2009 8:31:34 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3338&region=PH

Highest percent of girls.


Actually, no. Germany has the highest percent of girls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3338&region=DE

Mexico has the lowest percent of girls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3338&region=MX
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 4:24:46 AM | message detail
Because Mexican women are...
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/31/2009 4:58:50 AM | message detail
Well those were hidden.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/31/2009 5:07:48 AM | message detail
charmander6000 | Posted 3/31/2009 7:58:50 AM | message detail
Well those were hidden.


I know they are. I even took the time to report this problem with a feedback ticket so hopefully the links to the 5 missing countries are added to the poll results page.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/31/2009 5:34:39 AM | message detail
Wow, this region stuff is great. Man, I can imagine this taking up a lot of my time if I let it...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 5:52:24 AM | message detail
Hopefully soon this region stuff will go live and we can watch some close matches whenever.\

Or find new interesting trends and rename them "Brazil vote" or something. lol
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/31/2009 5:59:27 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3420&region=GB

UK loves itself some Wesker...and apparently Nemesis, too.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3420&region=NL

Netherlands love Jill.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3420&region=PH

Philippines really hate Wesker, looks like.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/31/2009 5:59:48 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3398&region=SAM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3398&region=PH

South America and the Philippines love Street Fighter Alpha! Europe, Asia, and Australia don't seem to like SF much though. Strange, considering it has such a great night vote.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3396&region=ASI
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3396&region=BR

Asia prefers Bison! Brazil seems to like everyone but Balrog.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3395&region=BR

Aw yeah, Brazil showin' Blanka love! Speaking of Brazil vote!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/31/2009 6:36:32 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3255&region=SE

Haha, holy crap, Gordon. Looks like Sweden doesn't like Mortal Kombat much either!
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/31/2009 6:45:11 AM | message detail
I'm curious: Why was Super Smash Bros. replaced with Soul Calibur, again? Personally, I would've liked to see how SSB would've done.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/31/2009 6:48:06 AM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #473
I'm curious: Why was Super Smash Bros. replaced with Soul Calibur, again? Personally, I would've liked to see how SSB would've done.


Well, Soul Calibur deserved it after its good showing last time, and we already have 2 stronger Smash Bros games.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/31/2009 6:53:55 AM | message detail
Well, Soul Calibur deserved it after its good showing last time, and we already have 2 stronger Smash Bros games.

But who's to say that good showing wasn't a fluke? Looking at Soul Calibur reps' recent performances...

Soul Calibur did badly in the series contest in 2006.
Ivy got tripled by Tifa that same year.
Nightmare didn't even make the field that year despite being a Rally Tournament winner.
Nightmare did the same thing twice in the past character contests: own round 1 jobbers, then get booted in last place the next round.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 3/31/2009 6:55:35 AM | message detail
Not that I think Soul Calibur is particularly strong, but all four of your points are awful.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/31/2009 6:58:14 AM | message detail
I don't know why you'd want yet another Super Smash Bros when we already have 2 stronger ones instead of giving a spot to a popular series that didn't have any games in it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/31/2009 7:09:59 AM | message detail
But who's to say that good showing wasn't a fluke?

That's a good reason why Soul Calibur should be in this contest, I think. We'll get a better idea on how strong it actually is. It's not a very interesting game to me contestwise, but SSB is utterly boring with 2 other Smash games in the contest.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 7:29:20 AM | message detail
I just want to see if there are any old SSB fans.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/31/2009 7:30:23 AM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #479
I just want to see if there are any old SSB fans.


It would get franchised voted and possibly screw either Starcraft or FF8. I'd rather just take that problem out of there and see if Soul Calibur can comepte with them on its own strength.
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1v1s | Posted 3/31/2009 7:50:26 AM | message detail


I think people just find it hard to get their heads around FF7 getting 2nd place so early - which they shouldn't, because this is 4-ways after all, and that wouldn't be nearly as crazy as a ton of stuff we've seen.


When 26% of the site have FF7 as their favorite game ever, it's a pretty stupid move to bet against it in 4-ways, imo. Anytime another FF game is matched up with it I don't see how it doesn't totally obliterate it.

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red sox 777 | Posted 3/31/2009 7:53:30 AM | message detail
LTTP has a chance, but it's really hard to overcome a 60-40 gap through LFF at that level of strength. Look at Zack- he only went from 30% to 34% on Link when Altair and Duke were replaced with Mario and MMX.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 3/31/2009 8:00:38 AM | message detail
The difference is that Chrono Trigger is far more likely to hurt FF7 than Mario and MMX hurt Link.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/31/2009 8:00:45 AM | message detail
LttP is a lot close to FF7 than Zack is to Link, and the connection with FF6/CT is stronger than the connection with MMX.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/31/2009 8:00:53 AM | message detail
If you're a proponent of saying that, say, FF7's power has diminished in relation to Zelda since 2004 (which I don't really buy these days, but up until last year I was a strong proponent of OoT > FF7), then LttP theoretically has a significantly easier deficit to make up, and fanbase splitting stands to make the difference that much more. Not to mention we're talking about a TWO entities that stand to take away disproportionately from FF7 as opposed to one. If LttP is anywhere near that 43-45% mark on FF7, it can definitely make that a match.

And I have no problem with the superior top tier Zelda giving FF7 its biggest fight this time around !!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/31/2009 8:01:17 AM | message detail
Also, CT/FF6 are much more likely to not get beat into the ground like Mario and X did
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/31/2009 8:04:50 AM | message detail
...FF6 is getting pasted. There's a very real possibility that it's no longer the #2 FF on this site (could even be as low as #4 if you reeeeeeallllllly stretch it), and FF7 is close enough to it that the Old/New Split won't matter much - any real old school holdouts would disproportionately favor LttP as compared to the typical FF fanbase anyway.

I'd be a lot more worried about CT's impact, to be honest.
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1v1s | Posted 3/31/2009 8:06:06 AM | message detail
The difference is that Chrono Trigger is far more likely to hurt FF7 than Mario and MMX hurt Link.

Why is that? I see absolutely no reason to believe that.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/31/2009 8:07:48 AM | message detail
Well, CTs fanbase is pretty loyal. I don't see them jumping ship easily to FF7.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/31/2009 8:07:53 AM | message detail
I doubt CT hurts FFVII more than Mario hurts Link. CT may be a little closer to FFVII normally than Mario is to Link, but the overlap should also be substantially less. You could say that it won't get SFF'd, but then, Link didn't SFF Mario very hard.

And of course LTTP has a much smaller gap to make up than Zack. The point is that as Zack only went from 30% to 34%, if he had started at 40%, he would only have gotten to 45% or so. If you think LTTP could pull 44%+ on FFVII 1v1, go ahead, but I doubt you'll get more than 5-6% tops from the LFF here. That's also about how much Sephiroth hurt Cloud, comparing Cloud/Snake round 4 and 5.
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1v1s | Posted 3/31/2009 8:10:01 AM | message detail
Well, CTs fanbase is pretty loyal. I don't see them jumping ship easily to FF7.

And Mario's fanbase isn't? He's the face of Nintendo, whether or not he's the biggest Nintendo guy on this site, in the grand picture of video games he is. I don't see CT having anything special that he doesn't.

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red sox 777 | Posted 3/31/2009 8:11:43 AM | message detail
And I agree that FFVI is going to get blasted, possibly into single digits. It's last on the SFF chain here with 2 games above it, and the weakest game out of these 4 to start off....not a good combination.
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1v1s | Posted 3/31/2009 8:17:36 AM | message detail
I just realized I have CT out in Round 3... my bracket is a first runthrough but I'm happy enough keeping it, because I really don't have much of a clue about this contest. I have FF7 > SM64 with CT and MK64 in the match going out. I guess I was thinking SM64 would smash MK into the ground (possible, though don't feel that great about it right now), and that FF7 would at least substantially hurt CT. Basically taking the top game from each side of the fanbase split, if you want to call it that.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 8:22:12 AM | message detail
Yeah I'm pretty convinced FF7 is not only the strongest game but probably does the best in this format out of everybody.

I'm more interested in SMB3/LTTP/FF7/Whatever you got here match.
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1v1s | Posted 3/31/2009 8:29:43 AM | message detail
I got SMB3/FF7/LTTP/FF2 (lol wut)

How unpopular of a pick is FF2 getting there? Anyway I have FF7 > SMB3, but I don't feel good about it at all. Not that I'd feel any better about FF7 > LTTP.


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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/31/2009 8:33:09 AM | message detail
I actually have FF2 myself because I can see it pretty close to Mario World. In order for SMW to win that match, it would have to practically get many more votes from SMB3 (impossible), avoid a 50/50 split (nearly impossible), or have FF2 just be that darn weak/possibly "SNES sff'd" (plausible).
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1v1s | Posted 3/31/2009 8:35:07 AM | message detail
who else do you have with it in the SMB3/SMW/FF2 match? I have Sonic personally... I think Sonic will only be minimally hurt by the Mario games, but I think FF2 should flourish enough based on franchise voting and being the odd man out of the quad.

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Yesmar | Posted 3/31/2009 8:40:52 AM | message detail
I don't think that FFVII will go down before the finals, but it still might lose to OoT and here's why.

The GameFAQS fanbase is younger now, and the power of people who came here *for* FFVII is diminishing. The average age of GameFAQers is around 20 or so meaning that they were only 9 when FFVII came out, which isn't the age in which I would expect most people get invested in RPGs. OoT has been remade enough times that younger people might have played it, but for anyone to play FFVII, they would probably have had to play back when it was first released, which becomes less and less likely each year.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/31/2009 8:41:18 AM | message detail
OOT > FF7
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