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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 659
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/24/2009 9:24:15 AM | message detail |
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I really can't see Secret of Mana being worth much...or for that matter, enough to get out of round 1. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 10:06:42 AM | message detail |
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how on earth can you expect sonic to get SFF'd but not Mega Man? oh yah blinders. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/24/2009 12:16:46 PM | message detail |
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Secret of Mana was worth 20% on CT 5 years ago when Square was big. A cult game 5 years older is only going to get weaker. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 3/24/2009 12:18:01 PM | message detail |
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VC release SoM's going all the way suckaz. --- Kleenex...at work! |
| The Mana Sword | Posted 3/24/2009 12:24:10 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197 Almost as strong as FF6 read 'em and weep. --- Kleenex...at work! |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/24/2009 12:37:23 PM | message detail |
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Secret of Mana's potential can be huge. There's no way it wasn't
affected by having CT as an opponent. I think it's largely underrated.
I would have taken it over MK2 if it had been the only RPG in the group
as an upset. But with MK2 being the only fighting game there and SoM
being paired with another RPG, eh... --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 12:50:52 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't take SoM over MK2 1 on 1 anyway. I see MK2 a bit behind SF2. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 12:56:19 PM | message detail |
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Secret of Mana is gonna surprise but it'll be competing with MK2 for second... not knocking Sonic out or anything --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/24/2009 12:56:50 PM | message detail |
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According to 2004 contest, CT would have beaten MK1 almost as badly as
it did SoM despite the fact that SoM would have been majorly hurt by
having CT as an opponent and MK wouldn't, which is why I think it would
do well. Of course, MK2 is (presumably) much better and SoM getting
enough support to win 1-on-1 is a different story. Though I think under
the right lenient conditions SoM would win in a 4 way. Just that those
conditions aren't met --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| greatone10 | Posted 3/24/2009 12:59:07 PM | message detail |
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Let's also consider that SoM has also had another five years to fall
into obscurity, and that it's not the only RPG in its match. --- Donkey Kong Country 2's path to Best Game Ever '09. vs. Super Mario RPG, Goldeneye, Resident Evil 2. Ugh, my top 3 games in the same match. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 1:00:37 PM | message detail |
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From: greatone10 | #210 We really don't know SoMs strength. Putting it up against the biggest square RPG of the SNES wasn't fair to see its strength. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 3/24/2009 1:10:14 PM | message detail |
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SoM has never been given credit on this board, the average oracle prediction for CT was 5% higher than the actual result. Should be an interesting match either way. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 1:19:17 PM | message detail |
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I'd never take SoM over Doom anyway. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| H__RR____H | Posted 3/24/2009 1:24:09 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth: Top 100 List: #47: Street Fighter II: The World Warrior - ARC #52: Secret of Mana - SNES #58: Mortal Kombat - ARC That said, I don't trust SoM to age well and suspect MK2 is more than marginally stronger than MK. It doesn't help that Shining Force 2 is also in the match, either (though it's not like that alone should be taken very seriously). Also, Mortal Kombat is (amazingly) the most relevant series represented in that match; it's not like the Sonic series has been worth paying much attention to for years and SoM/SF2 don't compare at all. SoM could upset if CT hurt it bad in 2004 and MK2 isn't much stronger now than MK was in 2004, but I don't like its chances. Still, it should be relatively close. --- BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now. www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285 |
| creativename | Posted 3/24/2009 1:29:08 PM | message detail |
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Anyone that doesn't have Sonic 3 getting out of the first round is loopy :) And I loved Secret of Mana back on the SNES. Remember being amazed by its co-op, had never seen anything like that before. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 1:35:11 PM | message detail |
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The funny thing that even with the SFF beat down SoM got, it would
still get 40% on Mortal Kombat. I'm just interested to see if you take
out the massive SFF beat down and it might beat MK --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 1:54:28 PM | message detail |
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how much of an SFF beatdown are we talking about though? look at the
games around MK and tell me if it makes sense for SoM to be way
stronger than them. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 2:15:38 PM | message detail |
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From: MarioSuperstar | #217 I'd expect SoM to get like 30-32% on CT without SFF. It got 20% with the SFF beatdown. Thats enough to make it a toss up with MK and SoM --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 2:21:18 PM | message detail |
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From: creativename | #215 Also I'm curious to hear your reasoning. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 2:21:52 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #218 That's a bit too much and puts it too close to stuff like Street Fighter. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 2:23:37 PM | message detail |
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From: MarioSuperstar | #220 And whats wrong with that? Secret of Mana is a very well loved square RPG. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 2:25:59 PM | message detail |
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And also, if you wanna use the excuse that Shining Force 2 would hurt
Secret of Mana... what? If anything, SHF2 would hurt Mortal Kombat more
since Mortal Kombat for Genesis was THE version to get (the SNES
version had no fatalities or blood), so Mortal Kombat and Shining Force
would SFF more among Genesis fans then a strategy game and an action
RPG on different systems would. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 2:29:12 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #221 It just isn't that big. I can see SoM advancing due to its hardcore fanbase though (it DID make the SNES bracket with thousands of other RPGs), and how close it was to stuff like MMX despite so many other RPG's in the same poll, but I wouldn't amount it to brute strength. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 2:30:54 PM | message detail |
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Though if it could REALLY get 30% on 2004 Chrono Trigger, I don't see what's stopping you from debating Sonic 2 with it. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 2:34:41 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197 If you take out Secret of Evermores 1.8% (which likely would go to Secret of mana since they're the same series anyway), it ties with Mega Man X. And Mega Man X would beat Mortal Kombat 2, no? Though if it could REALLY get 30% on 2004 Chrono Trigger, I don't see what's stopping you from debating Sonic 2 with it. Because Sonic 2 is stronger then it was shown last time, unless you really think its so weak to get less then 30% on SMW without SFF involved. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 2:45:21 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197 If you take out Secret of Evermores 1.8% (which likely would go to Secret of mana since they're the same series anyway), it ties with Mega Man X. And Mega Man X would beat Mortal Kombat 2, no? Also a bit more on this. The poll also has Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4 AND Final Fantasy 6, and Secret of Mana STILL nearly tied Mega Man X lots of SoM underestimation going on here. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/24/2009 2:47:39 PM | message detail |
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lots of SoM underestimation going on here. ...Still, I can't trust a cult classic that's had 5 more years to fall into obscurity. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 2:48:45 PM | message detail |
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| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 2:49:47 PM | message detail |
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http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6413®ion=All since when is selling almost 2 million (back when games in general didnt sell as much) a cult classic --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/24/2009 2:52:42 PM | message detail |
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People seriously arguing for... Secret of Mana to have any strength? Excuse me, I think I need to get back to my own time, 15+ years from now. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/24/2009 2:57:40 PM | message detail |
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That's a bit too much and puts it too close to stuff like Street Fighter. Forget SF2, 30%-32% puts it too close to SMRPG. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/24/2009 3:02:37 PM | message detail |
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From: MarioSuperstar | #202 What? I have Sonic 3 going to the third round because it DOESN'T get SFF'd by Metroid and LttP --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 3:03:17 PM | message detail |
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that poll still shouldn't be trusted as nobody would ever take Earthbound to get that close to Chrono Trigger. Because Sonic 2 is stronger then it was shown last time, unless you really think its so weak to get less then 30% on SMW without SFF involved. No, I really don't think it's that weak, but SMW only managed 41% on Chrono Trigger. Sonic 2 was destroyed in that match, but I don't think it was anywhere near SMW to begin with. I see it scoring in the lower 30's. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/24/2009 3:04:23 PM | message detail |
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #232 Oh I read that wrong. My bad. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/24/2009 3:36:43 PM | message detail |
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But still, I can't see Sonic 2 NOT advancing out of round 1. Shining
Force 2 is a non-factor, and Secret of Mana has probably fallen into
obscurity. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/24/2009 3:47:09 PM | message detail |
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And I'd like to see either Ken or Soma Cruz back in a character
contest. Soma deserved better than to get blown out by Solid Snake, and
why has Ken not made the field ever since 2003? --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 4:19:57 PM | message detail |
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From: Karma Hunter | #230 why do people ignore polls that show it to be stronger then games like mega man x --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| creativename | Posted 3/24/2009 4:24:51 PM | message detail |
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Also I'm curious to hear your reasoning. Because... "People seriously arguing for... Secret of Mana to have any strength? Excuse me, I think I need to get back to my own time, 15+ years from now." Come on, it's Secret of Mana here! O_o Does this topic really have no more important matches to discuss? Maybe some upsets that are...you know...possible? :) I find it hard to believe that all the important matches have been so talked to death that people are reduced to debating the chances of SoM. Someone nominate a new subject to discuss to death please :) --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 4:25:53 PM | message detail |
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Someone nominate a new subject to discuss to death please :) we need some Fallout 3 in this topic --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/24/2009 4:26:04 PM | message detail |
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There's nothing wrong with discussing Secret of Mana. --- I'm gonna keep on going, I know I'll be strong. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/24/2009 4:27:17 PM | message detail |
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why do people ignore polls that show it to be stronger then games like mega man x Because, as I've already pointed out with the whole Earthbound argument, games like Mega Man X, Final Fantasy 4 and Final Fantasy 6 have been ported or remade numerous times in the last 5 years while Secret of Mana (and Earthbound) have not been touched since they came out. It makes sense for them to perform well in a poll asking for port interest. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/24/2009 4:27:47 PM | message detail |
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why do people ignore polls that show it to be stronger then games like mega man x Because that same poll shows that Earthbound has a good chance at beating Chrono Trigger, which I don't believe for a second. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/24/2009 4:28:30 PM | message detail |
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Secret of Mana's potential can be huge. It has a slight chance of getting out of round 1, but that's it. I won't completely discount it, but people are playing the "CT SFF'd it big time!" card too much. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 4:28:33 PM | message detail |
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From: Fayt_Esteed | #242 Its also a poll with 5 squaresoft games and Earthbound is pretty unsff'd there. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/24/2009 4:29:31 PM | message detail |
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And even though the 2004 x-stats are "lol" and all that jazz, a Chrono Trigger SFF'd Secret of Mana still gets 43% on Sonic 2. upset train choo choo --- I'm gonna keep on going, I know I'll be strong. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/24/2009 4:30:01 PM | message detail |
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Am I alone in thinking that an action RPG like SoM was almost
completely unphased by CT? If CT SFF'd SoM into the ground, then CT
also SFF'd LttP into the ground. Watch out OoT --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| creativename | Posted 3/24/2009 4:30:38 PM | message detail |
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I'm very curious to see if Fallout 3 is as strong as most of us expect
it to be. I have Fallout 3>Halo 3 and then MGS4>Fallout 3, which
I think is what most have. Kind of amazing to think that Fallout 3 could beat Halo 3, but I just have no faith in the Halo franchise. It's almost too bad there's no other serious contender in that 4-pack - it'd be fun to see Halo somehow choke it's way into 3rd place despite all logic. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| ZFS | Posted 3/24/2009 4:30:39 PM | message detail |
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let's hope secret of mana advances no one wants mortal kombat (the good ones always go early) --- http://www.mistwalkercorp.com/en/_src/sc569/HNI_0022.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/24/2009 4:31:54 PM | message detail |
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #246 except that Secret of Mana is probably the third most popular rpg by Square on SNES, whereas Link to the Past is an action game made by Nintendo --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/chris_redfielded.jpg |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/24/2009 4:32:09 PM | message detail |
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #233 Am I alone in thinking that an action RPG like SoM was almost completely unphased by CT? If CT SFF'd SoM into the ground, then CT also SFF'd LttP into the ground. Watch out OoT RIght because Secret of Mana isn't a Square RPG that came out within two years of Chrono Trigger and often considered one of Square's classic SNES RPGs along with CT and FF6 or anything like that. --- I can feel it coming over me; I feel it all around me. http://www.rosebride.com/lyn/otakon2k6/chronotrigger.jpg |
