GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 659
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/21/2009 4:00:56 PM | message detail |
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Ocarina of Time > FF7 ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it. For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2009 4:01:16 PM | message detail |
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Topic opening sentence contains lies. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Tediz247 | Posted 3/21/2009 4:02:11 PM | message detail |
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Siena > Louisville, LSU > UNC, and Cleveland State > the tournament. Believe! --- That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end. FastFalcon > me |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2009 4:03:14 PM | message detail |
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Called Cleveland State > Wake Forest! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/22/2009 1:33:36 AM | message detail |
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Haha, I'm inclined to agree with tranny about LoZ:OoT not outdoing LoZ
against Adventure. On top of any anti-votes, you're also dealing with
joke-votes that won't budge or some hardcore Adventure-fans !! The point still stands that LoZ:OoT can't be expected to beat fodder's fodder like that much worse than LoZ already did. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| transience | Posted 3/22/2009 2:04:40 AM | message detail |
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OOT vs. Zelda 1 in comparison to Adventure -- we need this thing to start. bracket period seems shorter this year.. probably because I don't have my mind made up at all. I don't even know which 'route' I'm going to take with this bracket. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| voltch | Posted 3/22/2009 2:19:08 AM | message detail |
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this year's bracket has one match that will screw half the serious
bracketmakers in one go,It's winner takes all contest but big payoffs
ought to be when the stakes are high,not kill the brackets early before
they've made their moves. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| creativename | Posted 3/22/2009 8:49:15 AM | message detail |
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MGS4 vs. RE4 vs. Twilight Princess. Hmmm. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/22/2009 8:49:43 AM | message detail |
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Tough one indeed. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| Mr3790 | Posted 3/22/2009 9:05:39 AM | message detail |
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Tagging FFR. --- AC:WW Code: Name:Mr.378 Town:Darkcity FC: 4210-5769-8462 GENO WHIRL! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/22/2009 9:07:12 AM | message detail |
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From: creativename | Posted: 3/22/2009 11:49:15 AM | #008 Versus Galaxy, no less. I have TP > MGS4 in my bracket, but pretty much any two games can take 1-2 in that poll. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/22/2009 9:13:31 AM | message detail |
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more like mgs4/fo3/re4/wow mirite --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| plasmabeam | Posted 3/22/2009 9:41:06 AM | message detail |
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Versus Galaxy, no less. I have TP > MGS4 in my bracket, but pretty much any two games can take 1-2 in that poll. You mean Brawl. Galaxy will get SFF'd to hell in Round 3. I honestly can't how anyone can expect Galaxy to beat out ****ing Brawl of all games. People need to get over the SMB > SSB Series Contest Result. And RE4 > Brawl > MGS4 > TP --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/22/2009 10:20:06 AM | message detail |
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SMG and SSBB beat similar opponents when they each won GotY here (I'd
call CoD4/FO3 a close match), and their Wii-GotY polls are similar too
(nearly identical percentages, SFF'd-MP3 and SFF'd MKW looked nearly
even). They've also been played by lots of Wii-owners here. The
difference-maker for me, however, is that SMG came in relatively
unhyped thanks to SSBB's shadow yet it was VERY well received in
probably all aspects. SSBB came in as probably the most hyped game
we've seen on GameFAQs, only to have more and more mixed feelings as it
stuck around longer. When the Wii was catching a lot of heat, SMG helped delay it (if not halt it). When SSBB was released, it opened up for the anti-Wii sentiment to come back; many people think of it as a step back in the series...and the Wii's not been the same since. I think Wii-fans will recognize that.when they need to choose between them. Again, they're already performing similarly based on what we've seen, but only one of them is completely respected. SSBB failed to bring so much of what people were excited over; the one-player mode left a lot to be desired, tripping has pissed off the competitive community, online was filled with lag for many (and Nintendo's notorious for its poor online plan, too), Sonic sucks, and the level creator was relatively limited. SMB > SSB in the Series Contest is nice, too, especially since SSBB had just been jacked up on fresh SSBB-hype then...but that's not a big part of the argument. SMG can win without that. I don't think SSBB is going to like this SFF-situation. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| Lopen | Posted 3/22/2009 10:22:26 AM | message detail |
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So Ed's rate the game topic certainly reflects what I thought the
consensus would be about SMB1. Maybe I should go back to doubting it.
Down with the top 100 list! On a related note... I need to make a serious bracket already. Jeez. Has there been any talk of an Analysis Crew cause I'm not sure I'm fit (ie I'm not sure I'm going to want to make the time to do so) to analyze this thing that in depth haha. Not really a matter of disliking the bracket-- most of the problems I have with four ways in character battles don't exist here. Just a matter of not being able to get into this for whatever reason. --- 6% Next 2 Miles |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/22/2009 10:37:02 AM | message detail |
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From: plasmabeam | #013 More like people need to get over Brawl hype. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/22/2009 10:57:12 AM | message detail |
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I actually understand this pick. I don't see it happening, but I
admit it makes sense. That said, I worry much more about FF IV than I
would ever about MM2. If a game makes it there that is not SMW, than it
will be FF IV, because Allen is a IV fanboy, and gave it a golden sffed
filled path to march on. If he was rigging it for FF4, he would have moved FF1 to the top half of that division and taken it out early. As it is, FF4 is lucky to get past round 2. And I have a feeling this whole SMG > Brawl thing is the Samus > Mario call for this year. Sure there are polls backing it, but the pick makes NO sense. Even the polls being quoted are completely useless and unreliable because of when they were taken. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/22/2009 11:03:55 AM | message detail |
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You mean Brawl will get SFF'd to hell.
GOTY or not, Brawl gets mixed reviews. Galaxy is universally loved,
even by the most staunch anti-Nintendo people. And even if you think Brawl wins that, Call of Duty 4 is a very strong game. Two Nintendo games will leech the hell out of each other in round 2, and one will see an early exit. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Diablo 2, Lunar: SSSC |
| Chaotic Mind | Posted 3/22/2009 11:04:11 AM | message detail |
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FF1 is not going to do a damn thing to FF4. It'll be lucky to break 15% in that match. --- Flash runs alongside Balefire watching marshmallows stop existing. - WarThaNemesis2 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/22/2009 11:57:35 AM | message detail |
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Which is why CoD4 > Brawl is the most logical pick. Seriously, the only place I've heard of that still talkes about SMG is this damn topic. It was just another awkward attempt at a new Mario game, where at least Brawl kept to a formula that works and is easily the most played Wii game. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 3/22/2009 12:10:22 PM | message detail |
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Mario Galaxy is the successor to Mario 64, that's all I have to say. But SSB has brand recognition and is still a frighteningly and, at times, absurdly popular series online. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 12:23:15 PM | message detail |
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Brawl almost lost to Fallout 3 and a PS3-only game, why the hell is anyone giving it the benefit of the doubt --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 12:25:53 PM | message detail |
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On a related note... I need to make a serious bracket already. Jeez.
Has there been any talk of an Analysis Crew cause I'm not sure I'm fit
(ie I'm not sure I'm going to want to make the time to do so) to
analyze this thing that in depth haha. Not really a matter of disliking
the bracket-- most of the problems I have with four ways in character
battles don't exist here. Just a matter of not being able to get into
this for whatever reason. Man, Analysis Crew won't be the same without Lopen. if you really want to leave, I request that I be your replacement. Someone has to fill the zaniness roll. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| transience | Posted 3/22/2009 12:28:28 PM | message detail |
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Ed Bellis is the natural pick for ludicrousness, but Lopen's not going anywhere no matter what he says. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 12:29:50 PM | message detail |
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EB would be a good choice if he wasn't currently doing 23948932 board projects. >_> --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Lopen | Posted 3/22/2009 12:33:04 PM | message detail |
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Tranny's probably right though. I've still got two weeks to get OH MY GAWD PUMPED. But seriously has there been any mention of the Analysis Crew? I skimmed this topic and not a peep! Has Moltar been around lately? --- 6% Next 2 Miles |
| Lopen | Posted 3/22/2009 12:33:53 PM | message detail |
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Uhhh.. This topic meaning the last topic obviously. And by skimmed I mean "looked at a few posts around the immediate vicinity of my own" --- 6% Next 2 Miles |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 12:34:57 PM | message detail |
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Moltar is...less than happy about 4-ways, so he's been putting off Crew setups. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| transience | Posted 3/22/2009 12:35:36 PM | message detail |
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'tar said he'd have something next week last week, which means this week. I don't think he's very into it either, and I'm pretty sketchy on it too because god knows what we'll say - but like I said elsewhere yesterday, this contest bites for predicting but I think we'll have a lot of fun with it once we get into the flow and see how things play out. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/22/2009 12:40:07 PM | message detail |
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Alright, where is that Team Rocket Elite (I think?) index of all the past PotD? --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 12:40:53 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html Just poll search. That index tends to hurt my browser. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| transience | Posted 3/22/2009 12:40:58 PM | message detail |
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the main site has search now - use that. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/22/2009 12:41:52 PM | message detail |
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Dude. Friggin awesome. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/22/2009 12:58:16 PM | message detail |
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Tag --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| charmander6000 | Posted 3/22/2009 12:59:14 PM | message detail |
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If the Analysis Crew doesn't go through you'll still have my analysis. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/22/2009 1:07:18 PM | message detail |
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And my axe. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 1:07:44 PM | message detail |
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And my ax- damnit Lopen you took the cool weapon --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/22/2009 1:15:18 PM | message detail |
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I'm more a spear or flail or whip guy but no one has the sense to use those things and mention their weapon in such a quote. --- Did you say nerd? - Raiden Yes, I did. Your hearing is flawless. You heard correctly. Get to the nerd. - Campbell |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 3/22/2009 1:16:13 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #022 According to that same poll, Gears of War 2 can beat Chrono Trigger. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 1:17:57 PM | message detail |
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Because CTDS is the same as CT from the games contest you know what I'll be back when people start thinking before they post --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| FFDragon | Posted 3/22/2009 1:18:17 PM | message detail |
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A 10+ year old port of Chrono Trigger that barely offered anything more than the original.* --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com//wesker.gif |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 3/22/2009 1:24:48 PM | message detail |
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All I'm really going to say is we have no idea what Brawl or Galaxy's
standings are in relation to their respective series. I, for one, want
the contest to happen just to satisfy my curiosity. I also really don't trust those GOTY polls with 8+ games in them for concrete analysis of strength. Just far too many factors in there that would skew the numbers, we have enough arguments debating contest matches with 4 options. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| Big Bob | Posted 3/22/2009 1:37:47 PM | message detail |
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Wait...people think Call of Duty 4 is a lock to get to round 2? I know the game is really popular and might have a ton of strength, but here's how I see it: Super Mario Galaxy is easily the strongest game in the poll; it advances regardless. So that leaves us with CoD4, D/P, and TF2. You could make a case that SMG and DP will SFF each other, since they're both Nintendo...unless you remember that TF2 is ALSO a popular multiplayer-based shooter. And it's in the same poll as CoD4. Honestly, only Halo would be a worse game for Call of Duty to be left with. TF2 and CoD4 are for the same systems, have the same fanbase, etc. Pokemon, on the other hand, has an extremely rabid fanbase, and DP gave the series a jumpstart. They may both be Nintendo, but I bet Pokemon's hardcore fanbase is gonna pull it through to the next round. --- Alright guys, pile on! Ready? http://backloggery.com/main.php?user=big_bob |
| transience | Posted 3/22/2009 1:42:51 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon got beat bad by Zelda which got crushed by COD4, and if you
think Zelda got SFFed by Mario then COD4 had Halo 3 in the poll.
Pokemon doesn't have a prayer. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| voltch | Posted 3/22/2009 2:05:30 PM | message detail |
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lright,can anyone here prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that majora's mask is weaker than windwaker? cos if it's slightly stronger then that's starcraft level and if it was starcraft in that match i'd have it pumeling pokemon and crushing FFT and even putting a number on MGS,though pokemon should prevent that. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 2:18:29 PM | message detail |
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PC and FPS LFF isn't very pronounced. And I would take CoD4 over D/P in 1 on 1 situation, easily. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| plasmabeam | Posted 3/22/2009 2:26:06 PM | message detail |
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The difference-maker for me, however, is that SMG came in relatively
unhyped thanks to SSBB's shadow yet it was VERY well received in
probably all aspects. SSBB came in as probably the most hyped game
we've seen on GameFAQs, only to have more and more mixed feelings as it
stuck around longer. I'm glad that you brought up the point of Galaxy being in Brawl's shadow. That alone should be enough to swing voters who are on the fence. When the Wii was catching a lot of heat, SMG helped delay it (if not halt it). When SSBB was released, it opened up for the anti-Wii sentiment to come back; many people think of it as a step back in the series...and the Wii's not been the same since. I think Wii-fans will recognize that. The Wii hasn't been the same since, because Brawl was the last AAA Title to be released for the system. Of course people haven't been able to get hot and bothered over the Wii... the only notable Wii game that was released since Brawl was Mario Kart, which seemed like an afterthought due to its poorly planned release date (Why the hell would you drop your two big multiplayer heavy-hitters within 2 months of each other?). More like people need to get over Brawl hype. Hype? Hype died last March. How about the fact that Brawl is fresher in people's minds due to its superior replay value? Most people won't touch Galaxy after they've finished the storyline or collected all the stars, while Brawl is the type of game that can be picked up and played at any time for 10 minutes or several hours. You mean Brawl will get SFF'd to hell. GOTY or not, Brawl gets mixed reviews. Galaxy is universally loved, even by the most staunch anti-Nintendo people. For the record I thought Galaxy was a total let-down. The game throws massive wide-open worlds at you, but you're simultaneously restricted, because a bunch of the levels force you to hop in a "cannon star" and fly down a linear path from planet to planet. And as breathtaking as it was to witness Mario zipping past asteroids and Goombas, its shameful that actual platforming action got sacrificed in favor of "flying." Galaxy has no right to associated with the masterpiece that is Mario 64. --- ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/22/2009 2:55:19 PM | message detail |
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axl classic --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/22/2009 2:57:05 PM | message detail |
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So basically...you're discounting Galaxy because you don't like it. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/22/2009 2:58:47 PM | message detail |
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