GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 658
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 2:04:09 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #399 What? The list? Not really. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/21/2009 2:05:19 PM | message detail |
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Who said LoZ is slightly stronger then SMB? Everything shown so far proves that SMB is legitimately stronger. Uhhh I may be late to the party here, but like what? --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2009 2:06:00 PM | message detail |
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Who said LoZ is slightly stronger then SMB? Everything shown so far proves that SMB is legitimately stronger. So now your desperation has led you to proclaim proof of SMB being stronger than LoZ? Well then, I suppose this discussion is moot, then! SMB is clearly going to blow away LoZ in a doubling en route to your perfect prediction of all of Ninty's paths! --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 2:06:14 PM | message detail |
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SMB would not put 43 on SMB 3, Sff or no. The Legend of Zelda will get 60 on SMB thanks to franchise voting. It has been shown time and time again on this site. Legend of Zelda>Super Mario. The only time this has ever been different, is when the LoZ weakest game (that will ever make a bracket), went against Super Mario's strongest game SMB is at best 4th in it's series (after 3, World, and 64) and quite possibly 5th. It will simply not have the power to hang with Legend of Zelda, even if it did save the industry. I would debate FF>SMB (franchise voting) before LoZ>SMB. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:07:22 PM | message detail |
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Common sense, mostly. The list proves the point that SMB is well liked and is a top tier Mario game. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:08:09 PM | message detail |
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The polls we've seen show that SMB has more playrate, and prefer it in terms of the original Nintendo titles --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/21/2009 2:09:14 PM | message detail |
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I've got an idea Let's not consider anything a lock when we're going off of 5-year old stats Just throwing that out there --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:09:17 PM | message detail |
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It has been shown time and time again on this site. Legend of Zelda>Super Mario. The only time this has ever been different, is when the LoZ weakest game (that will ever make a bracket), went against Super Mario's strongest game SMB3 beat Legend of Zelda last contest. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:10:00 PM | message detail |
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http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=1582®ion=All This should be enough to make an easy win for SMB --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/21/2009 2:10:38 PM | message detail |
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| The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/21/2009 2:11:42 PM | message detail |
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Ugh sorry my brain was not working I apologize for that idiotic post --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 2:13:11 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #408 That's what I just said. The ONLY time this has ever been different, is when Super Mario strongest game (SMB 3) went against Zelda's weakest game (that will ever make a bracket, since Adventure of Link and the CDi games are not getting in). So yeah, Mario can beat Zelda when it best goes against Zelda's worst, but every other time it gets killed. And again, Zelda overperformed there, it got 43% which not alot of people expected, there is no physical way even without sff that SMB scores 43 on SMB 3. Lowest tier Zelda is about to massacre mid tier Mario. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:16:46 PM | message detail |
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I'm not saying it's a lock because it placed higher in that list... >_<! Listen, I've said this already but I'll say it again. Legend of Zelda is a huge franchise, but it only became huge from LttP onwards. Before that time, Nintendo was Mario. There was no doubt about this claim, as SMB and SMB3/SMW were the major games for the company. Everyone on this site has played SMB. It is the most well respected game in the industry (only OoT comes close to it). Legend of Zelda was a popular game for the NES, but that was it. Take away franchise voting, and this match would be a doubling at the very least for SMB1. The whole point about the list was when you guys were thinking LoZ would SFF SMB because of it being Zelda. We've already seen that Zelda can't beat everything Nintendo, as SMB3 already beat it last contest. The whole idea of people blindly voting for LoZ in this case doesn't make sense, because LoZ's fans are Mario's fans. They are one in the same. They may prefer Zelda to Mario, but in this case, who could honestly say that they would side with LoZ over SMB? SMB isn't some weak entity in these things. How could it be? Everyone has played it, and everyone respects the **** out of it. The same can't be said about LoZ. It's fanbase is peanuts compared to SMB. I don't really see how this match could go any other way. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:17:43 PM | message detail |
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I'd argue that Links Awakening is weaker then LoZ. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:18:31 PM | message detail |
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So yeah, Mario can beat Zelda when it best goes against Zelda's worst, but every other time it gets killed. LoZ is nowhere near Zelda's weakest. It's stronger then Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening, and could be stronger then Wind Waker. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 2:21:04 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #415 Yeah, there is no way in hell it is stronger than MM or WW. I am kinda with Albion, it might be stronger than LA. I think if they went one on one I would take LoZ, but I would probably say LA is a tad bit stronger independent of it. (Kinda like Mario/Samus, where Samus is indirectly stronger, but gets massacred when she meets Mario) Though LA LoZ are probably very close, and I could see either one edging the other one. My gut tells me LA is probably a tiny bit stronger, but I am not confident on that. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:22:43 PM | message detail |
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Zelda 1 (2004g) VS Wind Waker (2004g) Zelda 1 has a strength of 40.79. Wind Waker has a strength of 41.02. Wind Waker wins with 50.28% of the vote! A win of 451 with 80,431 total votes cast. the 2004 xstats are pretty wonky, but wind Waker is likely weaker now then 2004 so who knows --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:24:33 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, there is no way in hell it is stronger than MM or WW. Based on what? Your gut feeling? There's already been polls that have LoZ above MM and other Zelda games. They're not the best way to prove this point, but it's a hell of a lot better then going with whatever it is your going on. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:28:47 PM | message detail |
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Though I ugess the game contest xstats shouldnt be taken too seriously Soul Calibur (2004g) VS Super Mario World (2004g) Soul Calibur has a strength of 37.71. Super Mario World has a strength of 37.66. Soul Calibur wins with 50.07% of the vote! A win of 110 with 83,256 total votes cast. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:29:19 PM | message detail |
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SC is only that high because of StarCraft. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 2:31:46 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #417 How much stronger do you think WW would be if we eliminate SC for it's cheating against Halo. Then we have the winner of KH/Halo get massacred by WW which just tore through the other strongest Gamecube game. So now we have Melee vs WW. I'm taking WW everytime. Sure it would still get nailed against FF VII, but it probably breaks 40 at least, unlike Melee. And like you said, the 128 division stats are BS anyway, thanks to the non legit SC. All we really know for sure is Melee>FF X. Everything else could be debated. And in the polls that show LoZ BARELY above MM OoT is in the match as well. You don't think just maybe the other Nintendo 64 game Sffs MM just a little. It is like the most popular FF polls, VII takes so much of the vote, everyone else fights for scraps, so it is a very bad idea to try to compare them that way. Most people who like MM more than LoZ, probably like OoT more than MM. Same with Zelda, OoT and ALttP take so much of the vote, that the other games fight for tiny scraps. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/21/2009 2:33:15 PM | message detail |
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So now we have Melee vs WW. I'm taking WW everytime. lol --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:35:14 PM | message detail |
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How much stronger do you think WW would be if we eliminate SC for it's cheating against Halo. Then we have the winner of KH/Halo get massacred by WW which just tore through the other strongest Gamecube game. So now we have Melee vs WW. I'm taking WW everytime. Sure it would still get nailed against FF VII, but it probably breaks 40 at least, unlike Melee. StarCraft made every game it fought stronger then they actually are. So really, WW is weaker then what it shows there. But using x-stats in that contest is a joke. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 2:38:08 PM | message detail |
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From: KotovSyndrome | #422 I know it is not the concencus pick, but it is what I had 5 years ago, I saw nothing to disprove it. That is why I am REALLY looking forward to Melee and WW meeting in this thing. I really want to know which one is stronger, it has bugged me for 5 years. If I am wrong I am wrong, but I am not going to change my thought from 5 years ago till I actually see them meet. Then may the best game win. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/21/2009 2:43:20 PM | message detail |
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| KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/21/2009 2:44:26 PM | message detail |
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From: Meeks54 | #424 Lets just say if there was a game with any semblence of strength along with WW and melee there, WW would be in danger of not advancing. Like I did one of those Add/remove things for Warcraft 3 taking Golden Suns spot, and if Warcraft 3 got in, that could be a VERY sexy upset pick. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:48:23 PM | message detail |
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No, it wouldn't be. If it was Starcraft, Diablo 2, or WoW, it would be. Not WC3. Speaking of LttP, in the fourpack with LttP/LoZ/FFVII/SMB3, wouldn't SMB3 be the favorite for second? I mean, just thinking about it makes me want to choose SMB3, but I just can't for some reason. Is it really that much stronger then SMB3? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 2:49:15 PM | message detail |
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From: KotovSyndrome | #426 Final Fantasy X Metal Gear Solid 2 Silent Hill 2 TES III: Morrowind GTA: Vice City Kingdom Hearts Metroid Prime Paper Mario Diablo II: LoD Grand Theft Auto III Halo: Combat Evolved Star Wars: KOTOR Disgaea: Hour of Dark... Fire Emblem Super Smash Bros. Melee Zelda: Wind Waker I have them both making the division finals. GTA has died. Halo is going to flop. So they both are strong enough to win the first 2 even with SFF. They then meet FF X and probably MGS 2 (I don't get the people who have Vice City or MP to be honest). And at least one of them, potentially both of them go home that match. That said, I don't really care who gets out fo the division, I just care who wins the first match. And I am backing Wind Waker all the way. Though Melee is an incredible game and would deserve the win as well. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:50:33 PM | message detail |
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No, it wouldn't be. If it was Starcraft, Diablo 2, or WoW, it would be. Not WC3. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2800 --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:51:20 PM | message detail |
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Diablo 2 will take out one of them in the second round. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:52:11 PM | message detail |
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Second round will likely be Melee > Diablo 2 Blizzard rallyings will eaisly take out a totally sff'd weaker zelda game --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:52:15 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2800 No doubt it's the most popular RTS series... What does that have to do with contest strength? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:52:40 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #432 blizzard rallies around their series. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:53:43 PM | message detail |
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Oh, you're talking about rallies? Ok then. Legit strength though, it wouldn't place. It's not as strong as the other three main Blizzard games. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:54:58 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #434 And how do we know that, exactly? Not to mention that WC3 has become alot bigger due to WoW bringing people into the series. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:57:51 PM | message detail |
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Not to mention that WC3 has become alot bigger due to WoW bringing people into the series. Not really. Both are two completely different games. It's like saying Mario Kart made more people get into the Mario series. I'm going off of the popularity here. WoW is much more known then WC3, and despite it being hated, it still has that niche here. Diablo 2 is one of the most popular games on this site. Starcraft, we've all seen what it can do. WC3 really doesn't do much. You can argue it being stronger then StarCraft, but it's a gutsy move to take. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 2:59:16 PM | message detail |
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Well, I've only played WC3 due to getting into it because of WoW. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 3/21/2009 3:07:17 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #437 Yeah, WoW is really a beast in it's own right and I would argue has dwarfed the RTS series that came before it. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 3:07:21 PM | message detail |
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Did you actually play it to completion and enjoy it? --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 3:08:03 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #439 Yes... which is why I nommed it --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 3:08:55 PM | message detail |
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Listen, I've said this already but I'll say it again. Legend of
Zelda is a huge franchise, but it only became huge from LttP onwards.
Before that time, Nintendo was Mario. There was no doubt about this
claim, as SMB and SMB3/SMW were the major games for the company. as somebody who was actually alive and playing games during this era, this is incorrect. Zelda 1 was top tier throughout the NES era, and it wasn't until SMB3 that it really had a contender. the bigger question is whether Zelda 1 is dated and forgotten at this point. Mario 1 has aged better - more people are familiar with it now since Zelda progressed far more. I don't have an answer to Zelda 1 vs. Mario 1, but your statement is incorrect. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 3:10:25 PM | message detail |
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as somebody who was actually alive and playing games during this era, this is incorrect. Zelda 1 was top tier throughout the NES era, and it wasn't until SMB3 that it really had a contender. SMB1 was bigger then it, but I concede on it not being a huge game. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/21/2009 3:11:25 PM | message detail |
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both lose to dq3 --- I'm gonna keep on going, I know I'll be strong. http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z114/Javer8000/FanimeCon2008/Sandbag.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/21/2009 3:15:01 PM | message detail |
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as they should --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 3:24:32 PM | message detail |
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Here's something interesting to consider: Zelda games Mario 3 would lost to (or barely beat): OoT (definitely lose) and LTTP (arguably win maybe in a close match or come close to winning). Mario games LoZ would lose to: SMW (barely) and SMB3. I think the debate may rest on which game is closer to their strongest 2D games: the first Mario or the first Zelda? --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/21/2009 3:32:10 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, both SMB and LoZ were huge back in the day -- LoZ made the gold cartridge so
cool, and I'm pretty sure it's the only LoZ-game I've beaten more than
once (though I do love the series). That said, I'm sticking with the
NES being the Mario system; the SMB games made cartridges cool again in
the first place. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 3:33:21 PM | message detail |
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SMB sold 40 million LoZ sold 7 million --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 3/21/2009 3:36:49 PM | message detail |
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SMB was packed with the NES, not a good argument. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 3:38:16 PM | message detail |
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Sales are irrelevant. Final Fantasy VII would obliterated both of them and SMB3 probably wouldn't even beat LTTP. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 3/21/2009 3:39:13 PM | message detail |
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The big problem I think Zelda 1 has today is the same thing Metroid 1
suffers from: a later 2D sequel got everything RIGHT and perfected
everything the original had. It perfected and refined so much that many
flaws from the original were exposed and now people think less of it
now that a later sequel came along. Super Metroid and LTTP are really the perfect sequels: they took everything great about the original and refined it to a freaking shine and fixed all the flaws. That's really the problem with original works, they are more focused on figuring out exactly what to do in their genre and the lessons are never learned until the sequel is green-lit. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
