GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 658
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/20/2009 9:15:42 PM | message detail |
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Oh yeah, of course 2004...I used last year's with Sora/Mewtwo in the
mix. Either way, Tidus sucks through either way you go. Fortunately,
those comparisons aren't too fair to him...but I don't know how much
better he's really do. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/20/2009 9:28:36 PM | message detail |
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Do you think SM64 has a chance at beating CT in the Division Finals? --- GT: TriggerTRE Now Playing: Street Fighter IV |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/20/2009 9:30:30 PM | message detail |
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Well, you could blame Auron's second match against Sephiroth on Kratos,
or perhaps Auron just peaked in 2006 like Sora and went back to his old
level in 2007/2008. Which also implies that Sonic sucks that much more. Works for me. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/20/2009 9:31:20 PM | message detail |
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Not with Goldeneye there, and I don't feel great about its chances
without GE. Still, there are worse upsets and we never got a fair look
at SM64 in 2004. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/20/2009 9:35:02 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but I'd think Kratos would take advantage of there being two
FF-characters without necessarily hurting either one of them more than
the other. I guess Auron would be hurt more than Sephiroth if I had to
choose one due to sharing the PS2...but Auron's 2007/2008-performances
each practically pinpoint him at getting 49% on his
2003/2004-performances, so that's not likely. It's pretty consistent
despite Kratos. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/20/2009 9:53:20 PM | message detail |
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Well, how different was Sonic's performance on Sephiroth when Auron was
removed? That should be a pretty good indication of FFX/FF7 overlap. Or
do the same for Ryu/Cloud --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/20/2009 10:09:13 PM | message detail |
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SONIC AGAINST SEPHIROTH... ...with Auron and Kratos: 42.28% ...with Kirby and Dante: 35.83% A/K-Sephiroth gets 45.87% on K/D-Sephiroth. RYU AGAINST CLOUD... ...with Auron and Marcus Fenix: 28.99% ...with Samus and Mega Man: 21.87% A/MF-Cloud gets 43% on S/MM-Cloud. Note Kirby/Sonic and Samus/MM potentially having overlap of their own, plus the 4th Place Factor we've theorized over before for Ryu...but here are the numbers. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/20/2009 10:17:17 PM | message detail |
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It's interesting to note that those numbers each suggest they may be
enough to overturn a gap the size of FF7/LoZ:OoT's from 2004.
Characters =/= games, of course, but it's fun to look at and is worth
your consideration. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/20/2009 10:25:43 PM | message detail |
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wow over 50% arent interested in making a bracket --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/20/2009 10:34:04 PM | message detail |
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Frankly, this is pretty standard: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=930 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1282 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1557 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1689 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1978 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2051 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2176 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2422 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2487 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3239 There was an interesting poll from 2007 though when the four-way bracket was debuted: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2854 For those who weren't against filling out a yearly bracket, thinking the bracket was too complicated to fill out was the most popular choice. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2009 10:36:23 PM | message detail |
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The amount of 'Contest? Where?' votes baffles me. The banner is RIGHT THERE. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/20/2009 10:36:24 PM | message detail |
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Interesting that Cloud seemed hurt more by Auron than Sephiroth. Unless that's Mega Man/Ryu overlapping somehow. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| creativename | Posted 3/20/2009 10:40:41 PM | message detail |
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I totally agree with KH on this OoT/SMB3 thing. What's the consensus on the first quarterfinal anyway? I have FF2>Zelda 1...really doesn't seem right to have FF2 win there because I think it's probably the weakest out of all 4 games, but SMB1 should take a big chunk out of SMB3 and the Mario games will hurt Zelda, so logically it makes sense to me. That's assuming those are the games that make it, but I 3 are locks and I have trouble not seeing FF2 make it there. Could also see FF2>SMB3 as Zelda might suffer from possibly being the 3rd strongest Nintendo option there. Actually I could even see SMB1 being stronger than SMB3 (I don't expect it, but i could see it) - I've long though SMB1 is just a super powerhouse waiting to happen - but I don't think it can top Zelda with SMB3 there too. wow over 50% arent interested in making a bracket 4-way brackets are just a huge freakin' pain to make. So I understand completely. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| creativename | Posted 3/20/2009 10:42:40 PM | message detail |
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The amount of 'Contest? Where?' votes baffles me. The banner is RIGHT THERE. If I didn't follow these contests regularly, I'd miss that banner completely myself. Almost no chance I'd see it actually. I just don't look to the left of the poll. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 5:24:33 AM | message detail |
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From: creativename | #364 Well it stands out to me. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/21/2009 11:34:05 AM | message detail |
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To be fair, we're VERY poll-oriented people; it's hard for me to look
at GameRankings and not look at where the poll should be here first. I
would expect new visitors and more casual GameFAQs-people to see the
banner better. That's why a good animated banner may be particularly effective, like Zen's or Lagunatic's. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 11:46:31 AM | message detail |
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Could also see FF2>SMB3 as Zelda might suffer from possibly being the 3rd strongest Nintendo option there. Actually I could even see SMB1 being stronger than SMB3 (I don't expect it, but i could see it) - I've long though SMB1 is just a super powerhouse waiting to happen - but I don't think it can top Zelda with SMB3 there too. You think FF4, probably the weakest FF in the bracket, can advance over Mega Man 3 while sharing the poll with the original Final Fantasy? And you think SMB1 is going to advance over Mega Man 2 with Zelda in the poll? --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 11:48:33 AM | message detail |
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And you think SMB1 is going to advance over Mega Man 2 with Zelda in the poll? You think MM2 is a Sony game or something? It will get SFFed far worse then Zelda 1. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/21/2009 11:49:24 AM | message detail |
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Yes and yes. SMW will probably rock MM3's world and SMB1 is still
likely quite a bit ahead of MM2 (and this is assuming MM2 isn't hurt by
SMB1 and LoZ). --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 11:55:55 AM | message detail |
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I've got to ask, why is everyone so sure of LoZ beating SMB1? This may
be just me talking here, but I don't remember LoZ being all that
popular. I'm sure it sold well for it's time, but can today's user base
truly say that LoZ is one of their favorite games? I understand that it will get a lot of franchise votes, but look at that franchise. It's pretty much all Nintendo fans. Why do you guys believe Nintendo fans will go against a game that they definitely played (more or less), a game that saved the industry, that sold extremely well, and is still loved to this day in SMB1? I can understand taking LoZ over Metroid or any minor Nintendo game, but SMB1 is an entirely different animal here. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| paulg235 | Posted 3/21/2009 11:56:42 AM | message detail |
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And you think SMB1 is going to advance over Mega Man 2 with Zelda in the poll? I would with ease. Not only is it not far off reality for SMB1 to be near SMB3's strength, but Mega Man 2 will likely suffer the same killing from Zelda that Mega Man did from Link 5 years ago. SMB1 > Zelda >>> MM2 --- The Gamer In Me |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 11:57:42 AM | message detail |
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I assumed SMB1 would beat LoZ. Zelda might be stronger overall, but the
original super mario bros is like one of the most recognized games ever
and very important to video game history. Moreso then original LoZ at
least. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/21/2009 12:02:43 PM | message detail |
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I'm not confident or anything, I just took LoZ since it kept SMB3 under
57% and that game is freaking, man, the true winner of a best game
contest dammit. My view of the series was always 3 > World = 64 >
1 And if it can hold up that well to 3 I think it can take 1 --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| Mr3790 | Posted 3/21/2009 12:04:38 PM | message detail |
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...I guess if SMB3 could beat zelda 1, SMB can too. --- AC:WW Code: Name:Mr.378 Town:Darkcity FC: 4210-5769-8462 GENO WHIRL! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 12:11:49 PM | message detail |
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That isn't really good logic. Zelda 1 got 43% on SMB3 which I can't really see SMB1 do. And that's right around what Mario World was expected to get.. and well, I can't see SMB1 being as liked as Mario World. Popular, yes, but liked? --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/21/2009 12:13:27 PM | message detail |
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I know SMB/LoZ can go either way, but I'm taking SMB and not looking
back. It has more respect for saving the industry and had lots more
people both play and beat it: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2663 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2662 It's also comforting to see SMB > LoZ in the Top 100 List (#22 > #30). The one thing that scares me is how close it puts SMB to SMB3, but I'll take that chance -- there's nothing else that really makes me think LoZ > SMB. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 12:13:59 PM | message detail |
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And that's right around what Mario World was expected to get.. and well, I can't see SMB1 being as liked as Mario World. Popular, yes, but liked? Yes. It's up there with SMB3 as the strongest Mario game, imo. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 12:17:19 PM | message detail |
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So you can see Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros. being equals? Well I suppose it's not that much of a stretch but.. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/21/2009 12:17:26 PM | message detail |
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Top 100 List: #5: Super Mario Bros. 3 - NES #13: Super Mario 64 - N64 #22: Super Mario Bros. - NES #23: Super Mario World - SNES For what it's worth. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| Lopen | Posted 3/21/2009 12:17:57 PM | message detail |
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To me at least SMB is at best the 5th strongest game on the NES. I'd
take SMB3, LoZ, MM2 (perhaps MM3), and yes, FF1, over it. SMB to me
should be like a much stronger Pac-Man in that it's going to draw some
real hardcore fans but most of its strength will be from the Old-School
vote in general. It'll be in the running for biggest blowout of round 1
but then when it starts against the NES classics it's going to drop
like a load of bricks in a distant fourth. I think it'd do a lot better in a division with newer games, I think. We'll see if I'm wrong. --- 6% Next 2 Miles |
| Lopen | Posted 3/21/2009 12:18:39 PM | message detail |
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Then again I had NO IDEA it did so well in the top 100 list so I'm pretty skeptical of myself right now. --- 6% Next 2 Miles |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/21/2009 12:22:26 PM | message detail |
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Dammit Lopen, don't let the Top 100 List of all things make you self-conscious of a pick now! --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 12:32:29 PM | message detail |
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Basically I look at it like this.... Legend of Zelda only did so well
against Super Mario BRos 3 cuz of franchise votes. Teh franchise votes
shouldnt be any different against super mario bros 1. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 12:51:25 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Mega Man 2 to get at least 45% on Zelda 1 I'd take SMB1 to get roughly the same. Seems like a no brainer to me --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 12:52:20 PM | message detail |
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My main issue is just Zelda 1 doing so well on Mario 3. What would you take in a one-on-one match? --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/21/2009 1:17:53 PM | message detail |
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I'd take SMB > LoZ in either format, though I'd think it'd be closer one-on-one due to franchise votes. SMB made
this era worthwhile in a way Pong couldn't, plus it's got a big
franchise-backing it up and a huge playrate. i understand franchise
voting made that not matter so much for LoZ against SMB3, but those
franchise votes should be diluted thanks to MM2 and Tetris in the mix.
We've also not seen much suggesting LoZ > SMB other than the Series
Contest and how close LoZ got to SMB3. SMB3 kills SMB head to head, but I doubt it indirectly beats it that badly. Mario made the NES and the NES made Nintendo. I think people who have a tough time voting in SMB/LoZ will consider that. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| voltch | Posted 3/21/2009 1:19:59 PM | message detail |
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i hate this board,my bracket's riding on FFIV/FFI splitting enough for MM3 to pass through. gr,on one hand purist will back FFI,on the other oldschoolers will go for FFIV urghhgfhdhshj --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 1:47:35 PM | message detail |
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Playrate shouldn't be an ignorant. The match is pretty much which game
you prefer since practically everybody's played both almost. In fact, just about every Mario game has a higher playrate than every other Zelda game. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| creativename | Posted 3/21/2009 1:48:01 PM | message detail |
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To me at least SMB is at best the 5th strongest game on the NES. I'd take SMB3, LoZ, MM2 (perhaps MM3), and yes, You're on crack my friend! :) SMB would smash MM2 and MM3 to smithereens. Not only would SMB SFF them like crazy, but they're not in the same league as SMB to begin with. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2009 1:51:50 PM | message detail |
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SMB > LoZ feels like a trap. If a high playrate and being respected
and having better longevity and preference over time meant so much,
Tetris wouldn't have gotten massacred like it did against LoZ. Now,
SMB's no Tetris... but it's also no SMB3, and considering it had to be
just THAT special to get what it did on LoZ at all... ...I think SMB3 gets more on LoZ today (and to be perfectly frank, LoZ's placement in the adjusted stats is the most "augh" inducing thing ever... if anything, that's the first case of rSFF we've seen in these contests), but the difference between SMB and SMB3 is immense. It could happen, but I just find it more likely that Mario gets humiliated. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 1:53:26 PM | message detail |
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The thing is... do people really prefer the original LoZ over the original SMB? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/21/2009 1:54:56 PM | message detail |
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12 more days... *sigh* --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2009 1:55:28 PM | message detail |
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Do people really prefer the original LoZ over Tetris?
My intuition says no, but I still took LoZ there. With games this old,
franchise voting means a ton. I just can't get over Metroid >
Pac-Man. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/21/2009 1:55:57 PM | message detail |
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Same. It would be foolish to rule out the possibility of
weirdness/massive overperformances with the game that saved the
industry, but I don't think it'll get such special treatment. If
anything, that match could be seen as a test of might between the two
series (just look at the names!), and we all know how that would turn
out. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 1:56:24 PM | message detail |
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But Mario and Tetris are alot different. Tetris' only strength we've
seen in contests is through joke votes with the block, but mario is
strong. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 1:58:57 PM | message detail |
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Think logically guys. This isn't some whole "which series is stronger"
match. It's a match between two games (and two scrubs). That's it.
Voters won't vote based on what franchise they like more, especially
since they've most likely played the games in question. They will
choose which game they enjoy more. Remember, this isn't Nintendo Vs.
Someone, where Nintendo fans would gang up on the outsider. This is
Nintendo Vs. Nintendo. The fans won't decide to kick SMB to the curb
just like that. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2009 2:01:21 PM | message detail |
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What are you talking about? Nintendo fans are the MOST likely to kick
their most beloved entities to the curb when it comes up against
something even slightly stronger. Why do you think Nintendo SFF is the
most severe, brutal thing out there? --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 2:03:02 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #391 This was the idea of SMB3 > LoZ, but it still impressed. If you look at the favorites poll, Super Mario Bros. is like, a third maybe? or fourth? It's kinda low on the Mario tier, but who knows how it perfects against a Zelda title.. we've seen what Zelda titles are capable of. And Zelda herself. >_>;;; --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 2:03:31 PM | message detail |
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What are you talking about? Nintendo fans are the MOST likely to
kick their most beloved entities to the curb when it comes up against
something even slightly stronger. Why do you think Nintendo SFF is the
most severe, brutal thing out there? Who said LoZ is slightly stronger then SMB? Everything shown so far proves that SMB is legitimately stronger. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 2:03:36 PM | message detail |
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performs* --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
