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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 658

voltch | Posted 3/18/2009 4:25:25 PM | message detail
no way in hell does patrick stewart overcome SA,star trek/X-men/theatre people aren't all over gamefaqs,oblivion's going down!
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/18/2009 4:35:13 PM | message detail
Samuel L. Jackson > Patrick Stewart!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1988
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1996
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/18/2009 5:09:41 PM | message detail
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/18/2009 5:11:58 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #250
so uh.

I'm now debating Oblivion > GTA SA.


No way, GTA:SA is by far the most popular and well-liked one in the GTA series and if there is any strength to the GTA name...SA will be the test. Even the most jaded of gamers tend to think something positive about SA. Elder Scrolls is a popular series, but Oblivion is kind of the black sheep in the series (most people who I know play it admit they mod the hell out of it). I don't think it'll muster a lot of strength.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/18/2009 5:50:27 PM | message detail
Well how do you figure GTA would do against Oblivion 1 vs 1? It surely wouldn't blow it away (.. if it wins).

But if it splits with GoW AT ALL (which is a good possibility considering they are two casual heavy PS2 hits), Oblivion wins it easily if it would even have a close match with GTA.


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HaRRicH | Posted 3/18/2009 5:51:06 PM | message detail
How do you mean blacksheep there? I understood it to easily be the most popular TES game and generally respected.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/18/2009 5:53:12 PM | message detail
Fun fact:

Oblivion was made by the same people as Fallout 3. It got around the same review scores, and I'm fairly certain it sold more.

So...no real reason to not respect it at least a little bit.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/18/2009 5:56:15 PM | message detail
I think you're looking a little too hard for LFF. Remember that when CT, CC, Gears 2, MM9, P4, WoW were removed from the GotY poll it was Brawl that benefited the most, despite not being the least bit related to any of these (sans maybe MM9, which was in last). I don't think "casual PS2 game" is going to mean much in the way of LFF when GTA and GoW are so very different.
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ZFS | Posted 3/18/2009 5:56:55 PM | message detail
The difference between Fallout 3 and Oblivion is that one has already proven itself. Oblivion's got some decent polls going for it, but nothing like F3. I think it's a good bet for second, but San Andreas is more than likely well out of its league.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/18/2009 5:57:58 PM | message detail
Oh, wait, Oblivion vs. SA? I thought we had gone back to GoW.

Yeah, Oblivion has no shot. >_>

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HaRRicH | Posted 3/18/2009 6:15:07 PM | message detail
I definitely respect Oblivion, but it's not on FO3's level. It lost to Gears and KH2 in 2006 (though it got the PS3-port in 2007):

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2629
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2384

I don't think that's going to be enough to beat GTA:SA without GTA:SA dropping a lot. That said, that does put Oblivion closer to GoW than I originally thought. Hmmm...still taking GoW, but Oblivion is a hot pick there.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/18/2009 6:36:32 PM | message detail
I'm not understanding this confidence in Oblivion. I took GTA > GoW without hesitation. Can someone explain to me why it is favoured to advance, and being considered to beat GTA?
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paulg235 | Posted 3/18/2009 6:50:30 PM | message detail
And now for something completely differently.
I've just completed the most suprising results lists (Both R1 and 2008). I'll get this up on the B8Wiki soon.

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Most Suprising Results Of Round 1
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1. Sandbag - 33.03% vs Sonic, Magus, Shepard
2. Hogger - 35.55% vs Dante, Ramza, Laharl
3. Arthas Menthil - 37.86% vs Pikachu, Ike, Spy
4. Cube - 38.04% vs Tidus, Donkey Kong, Tails
5. Zidane Tribal - 38.26% vs Link, Shadow, Luke
6. Nero - 39.01% vs Mega Man, Banjo, Olimar
7. Jill Valentine - 44.98% vs Kratos, Ocelot, Heavy
8. Ammaterasu - 45.83% vs Crono, Frank West, Kaim
9. Marth - 48.92% vs Duke, Niko, Kefka
10. Vivi - 49.67% vs Snake, Wesker, Sackboy

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Most Suprising Results Of 2008
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1. Mewtwo (R3) - 03.60% vs Cloud, Squall, Sora
2. Kirby (R4) - 06.38% vs Sephiroth, Sonic, Dante
3. Crono (R5) - 09.44% vs Link, Mario, Samus
4. Snake (R6) - 10.14% vs Link, Cloud, Crono
5. Zack Fair (R3) - 13.36% vs Link, Duke, Altair
6. Mega Man X (R3) - 16.90% vs Mario, Liquid, Luigi
7. Cube (R3) - 21.14% vs Snake, Mega Man, Zero
8. Mewtwo (R2) - 22.44% vs Cloud, Midna, Pac-Man
9. Snake (R5) - 23.37% vs Cloud, Kirby, Sephiroth
10. Kirby (R3) - 23.58% vs Dante, Master Chief, Leon
11. Crono (R4) - 23.61% vs Samus, Vincent, Pikachu
12. Pikachu (R3) - 25.27% vs Crono, L-Block, Alucard
13. Zero (R2) - 27.05% vs Snake, Vivi, Ryu Hayabusa
14. Cube (R2) - 28.37% vs Mega Man, Tidus, Nero
15. Duke Nukem (R2) - 29.07% vs Altair, Marth, Lucario
16. Zack Fair (R2) - 29.59% vs Link, Zidane, Wario
17. Gordon Freeman (R2) - 32.69% vs Vincent, Scorpion, Falco
18. Sandbag (R1) - 33.03% vs Sonic, Magus, Shepard
19. Vincent (R3) - 34.44% vs Samus, Gordon Freeman, Ganondorf
20. Hogger (R1) - 35.55% vs Dante, Ramza, Laharl
21. Altair (R2) - 36.24% vs Duke, Marth, Lucario
22. Alucard (R2) - 37.39% vs Pikachu, Arthas, Falcon
23. Arthas Menthil (R1) - 37.86% vs Pikachu, Ike, Spy
24. Cube (R1) - 38.04% vs Tidus, Donkey Kong, Tails
25. Dante (R3) - 38.15% vs Kirby, Master Chief, Leon
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/18/2009 7:28:48 PM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | #258
Remember that when CT, CC, Gears 2, MM9, P4, WoW were removed from the GotY poll it was Brawl that benefited the most


This might be due to MGS4's hardcore fanbase more than Brawl's relation.

Though we'll never truly know.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/18/2009 7:29:51 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #262
Can someone explain to me why it is favoured to advance, and being considered to beat GTA?


We've told you over and over but you refused to listen about GoW's poll history.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/18/2009 7:38:02 PM | message detail
Yet you still have yet to show anything that Oblivion can take advantage of this supposed weakness.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/18/2009 7:50:43 PM | message detail
I'd think getting with 5% of Kingdom Hearts II is a lot better than.. well, being 2% within an SFF'd handheld game and getting obliterated by RE4.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/18/2009 8:05:44 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #256
How do you mean blacksheep there? I understood it to easily be the most popular TES game and generally respected.


I don't know, maybe it's the gaming forums I frequent, but I just know Oblivion is notorious for the amount of mods it has (usually made to overcome perceived faults in the game). I just tend to hear more nitpicks about it than compliments so I factored that in when I made my "black sheep" claim. It's not a hated game, it sold very well and I'm sure many have heard of Oblivion before the three TES games that came before it.

That said, GTA:SA is by far the strongest GTA game in terms of sales, reviews and most importantly fanbase support (did you know that GTA:SA was one of the Top 10 most pirated games last year?). Oblivion will put up a good fight, but it won't beat SA.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/18/2009 10:13:44 PM | message detail
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/18/2009 10:22:32 PM | message detail
Here are probably the best polls to judge GoW/Oblivion by:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2254
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2995
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2630
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2629
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2384


I don think the "within 5% of KH2 > within 2% of SFF'd MKDS" argument is fair to GoW when you consider LoZ:TP likely beats RE4 nicely and Oblivion wasn't that close to KH2 or Gears...and it's hard to imagine a RE-game on the Gamecube and PS2 SFF'ing a MK-game on the DS very much.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/18/2009 10:45:36 PM | message detail
See what you started, KP?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/18/2009 10:52:07 PM | message detail
1. Sandbag - 33.03% vs Sonic, Magus, Shepard
2. Hogger - 35.55% vs Dante, Ramza, Laharl
3. Arthas Menthil - 37.86% vs Pikachu, Ike, Spy


aww yea Blizzard underestimation
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/19/2009 5:38:04 AM | message detail
Chrono Trigger
Earthbound
Lufia II
Yoshi's Island

Three SNES RPGs and a Mario game. Which game stands out to you?

And we can't be bringing up those VC polls, or you have to start taking polls like these seriously:

Poll 2762 (05/25/07)
Which non-Nintendo character would you most like to see appear in Super Smash Bros. Brawl?

24284 22.98% Cloud Strife
11523 10.90% Crono
7938 7.51% Dante
9846 9.32% Master Chief
19202 18.17% Mega Man
3975 3.76% Ryu Hayabusa
24173 22.88% Sonic the Hedgehog
4729 4.48% Sub-Zero

TOTAL VOTES: 105670
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/19/2009 10:14:09 AM | message detail
When is this contest starting
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/19/2009 11:44:01 AM | message detail
I'm assuming April 3rd.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 3/19/2009 12:43:22 PM | message detail
2. Kirby (R4) - 06.38% vs Sephiroth, Sonic, Dante

Holy crap, Kirby beat Sonic?
paulg235 | Posted 3/19/2009 12:48:41 PM | message detail
No Kirby won outright by coming 1st with Sephiroth underperforming like mad.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/19/2009 12:50:31 PM | message detail
I started people considering the right choice!

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/19/2009 1:41:51 PM | message detail
Sonic just sucks that much in this format.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/19/2009 2:47:59 PM | message detail
Sonic is the only Noble Niner to have lost twice to non-NN's in the same contest, and his loss to Auron was probably the most expected successful non-NN > NN upset we've seen to date. That was after his debut in last year's GotY-winner. Knuckles, Shadow, and Tails each bombed harder than most people expected, too. In fact, since the change to four-ways, the only impressive moment Sonic Team has had was when Sonic destroyed Subby/Gordon/Duke right after being announced for SSBB (which probably saved him against Squall twice).

I do agree the format sucks for Sonic-n-gang, but at this point, it's more than that. All of the characters are in a downward spiral, and the only thing they can really hope for is that their games have held up better than they have (well, it's not like Shadow matters much regarding how the Sonic games do this contest).
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/19/2009 3:07:05 PM | message detail
Makes the Sonic 3 match even harder for me.

I could still bank for the Mario Kart upset though.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/19/2009 3:20:31 PM | message detail
Knuckles, Shadow, and Tails each bombed harder than most people expected, too.

To be fair, Tails was probably the weakest in his fourpack.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/19/2009 3:22:22 PM | message detail
I think Tails did fine for his fourpack. DK was the one who blew chunks there.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/19/2009 3:25:26 PM | message detail
What about The Boss?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/19/2009 3:26:47 PM | message detail
Eh, Tails probably shouldn't have lost that one, but The Boss isn't super weak or anything. Tails has always been right around the fodder line or so.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/19/2009 3:26:51 PM | message detail
Tails was the weakest, yes, but I did expect better. Then again, Tails did lose to The Boss the year before, so I should have known better...point taken. Still, the rest easily failed expectations.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/19/2009 3:51:54 PM | message detail
I can't really see how Sonic's downward spiral would affect Sonic 3's matches. Sonic 3 happened long before the jump to 3D, which is IMO what really damned him.

People are now losing hope of there ever being another good Sonic game, whereas in years past, there still was a spark there.
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voltch | Posted 3/19/2009 4:07:39 PM | message detail
at this rate are new sonic games maintaining the hedghog's power or dimishing it?
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/19/2009 4:32:28 PM | message detail

From: voltch | #288
at this rate are new sonic games maintaining the hedghog's power or dimishing it?


Well, I don't think Sonic is getting any stronger and really has nowhere to go but down if his games keep sucking.

Though in this contest it's all classic Genesis Sonic games, the one part of the Sega mascot's history that everyone thinks highly of.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/19/2009 9:23:26 PM | message detail
If he wasn't getting crappy games at a constant rate, he would be slowly stagnating like Crono over the years as opposed to nosediving a little further every year since the next gen consoles came out. 2007 marked a huge decrease in Sonic after that abortion of a Sonic game Sonic Next-gen came out, and it was further destroyed last year. This year, after Unleashed, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets beaten by even weaker NN characters.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/19/2009 9:23:37 PM | message detail
Non-NN that is
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/19/2009 9:27:29 PM | message detail
Gotta agree with BT. It's taken a while, but people are finally fed up with Sonic's consistently crappy output. Another game like Sonic 2006 and he'll be losing handily to people below Auron, I think.

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Lopen | Posted 3/19/2009 9:33:31 PM | message detail
Hmmm, might be true. Though I kinda just think Crono just has more staying power in general, being from an RPG and whatever. But certainly a possibility, I guess.

Dante > Sonic next year let's do this.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/19/2009 9:43:54 PM | message detail
I Crono was the lead character in Chrono Cross, and 30 more Chrono Cross-like games came out after that, he'd be nosediving too. If Mega Man as we know him was the model used in the Battle Network games, he'd be nosediving too.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/19/2009 9:51:29 PM | message detail
With Board 8 making the pictures, I think Tifa > Sonic would be a consensus pick in the Stats Topic and a damn popular one across the board. While his SFF status assures Sonic he won't be losing to Nintendo characters outside the big three, I'd pick no fewer than four Square near-elites (Squall, Vincent, Auron, Tifa, and maybe Sora) to drop his ass. If I'm feeling particularly daring, I may even take universally liked badasses like Naked Snake, Dante, or even Leon to humiliate him. After the last couple of years, it's all a question of how many more eggs he can get on his face.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/19/2009 9:57:15 PM | message detail
And hell, Sonic might lose to Kirby 1v1 (it would be foolish of me to write off the possibility, obviously), but it's hard to envision him getting SFF-handled by the weaker Mario guys or Zelda/Ganon. Still, 2009 will be all about how early we take him to lose.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/19/2009 10:33:55 PM | message detail
Barring a miraculous comeback of some sort, I can see Sonic falling to high-midcarder status in the next 2 or 3 years. I'd definitely take the 4 Square elites over him now, and maybe a few of the guys behind them like Ganondorf/Dante/Luigi

Also, Sora will be right up with the elite Square guys after Kingdom Hearts 3, book it.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/19/2009 10:38:32 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts III... seems like some kind of cruel joke. KHII came out exactly three years ago, and we haven't had so much as a word of news or confirmation on III.
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RPGGamer0 | Posted 3/20/2009 3:12:51 AM | message detail
I'd bet my account on Sonic > Luigi. >_>

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greatone10 | Posted 3/20/2009 5:34:10 AM | message detail
The funny thing about Sonic is that he really only needs one high-profile awesome game to regain his credibility. However, much like Duke Nukem Forever, I'll believe it when it's on store shelves.
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