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| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 3:39:57 PM | message detail |
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i just love how everyone assumes the strength smb would have when we've never seen its strength --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 3:50:54 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181 Obviously SMB got SFF'd by its fellow 2D titles, so it's likely that it's fourth in the line of strongest Mario games (third if you REALLY think it could match Mario 64.. but.. come on). So if it's weaker than Mario World, and nobody really expects LoZ to even break 40% on Mario 3 today, then you may have a close match on your hands. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 3:51:42 PM | message detail |
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Actually scratch that 64 comment; some believe World is weaker than it
(which I think is very well possible), but you know what I mean. I just can't see SMB being close to either came after being SFF'd to the point of SMB2 being within 2%. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 3/21/2009 3:53:17 PM | message detail |
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From: MarioSuperstar | #452 I really cannot trust a poll that has Sunshine ahead of SMB1. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2009 3:55:51 PM | message detail |
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Poll 2663 (02/15/07) Have you ever played the original Super Mario Bros.? 13555 14.50% Yes, and I beat it in the past year 44869 47.98% Yes, and I beat it, but it was a while ago 29054 31.07% Yes, but I never actually finished it 3236 3.46% No, I always wanted to, but never actually played it 2801 3.00% No, I've never wanted to play it TOTAL VOTES: 93515 Poll 2662 (02/14/07) Have you ever played the original Legend of Zelda? 9284 9.64% Yes, and I beat it in the past year 27020 28.07% Yes, and I beat it, but it was a while ago 37129 38.57% Yes, but I never actually finished it 12585 13.07% No, I always wanted to, but never actually played it 10242 10.64% No, I've never wanted to play it TOTAL VOTES: 96260 For a comparison of Mario 1 and Zelda 1. Don't know if it's worth anything, but...this favors Mario 1 if anything. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 3:57:39 PM | message detail |
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Yeah but you see, play rate just isn't enough for me. There's a reason
why Mario 3 didn't beat CT (which has less play rate than LoZ). I think the best way to look at is to find out which more is simply more liked through the site in general. I don't think SMB saving the industry is all that important, because how many of us were alive to see something like that? --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 3:58:13 PM | message detail |
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Play rate is a factor though, especially for older games, so you can't dismiss it. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 4:00:02 PM | message detail |
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If it wasn't up against Zelda, it'd be a much better factor, but it's against a game that could easily be more liked than it. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2009 4:02:47 PM | message detail |
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Well, the interesting thing is that only 3% don't want to play Mario 1, and 10% don't want to play LoZ. Also, 5% more had beaten Mario 1 within the previous year than LoZ. Don't know if that's really worth anything though. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 4:04:55 PM | message detail |
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That's a lot more worth, yeah. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| ZFS | Posted 3/21/2009 4:44:09 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181 This poll is kinda like the Final Fantasy one. Not that many people are going to call FF1 their favorite when every other game in the series is an option, but when you take those away, it suddenly looks and becomes a lot stronger. Not that it says much here since we're talking about Zelda vs. Mario, but I don't know that I'd go off of that. Final Fantasy, Zelda, and Mario get huge franchise voting that's hard to underestimate. --- http://www.mistwalkercorp.com/en/_src/sc569/HNI_0022.jpg |
| voltch | Posted 3/21/2009 4:48:13 PM | message detail |
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i say we disregard polls that are that old,1181,jesus christ that is old news. that data is beyond dated. --- Pearl FC:3953 0978 7217 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 5:15:44 PM | message detail |
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Even though it's old, how much of your favorite games really change besides adding new ones? --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| ZFS | Posted 3/21/2009 5:24:21 PM | message detail |
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Well, a lot can definitely change in five years - GTA's a fine example
of that. The problem with old polls is that they're just out of date.
People's opinions change as time goes on (even for older games) and
we've gotten a whole new set of people here since the poll was ran.,
Who knows how they vote in that today. Not that I'd expect SMB1 to do
worlds better, but old polls are always gonna be sketchy. Check out a
poll from 2002 and then see if it ran again in 2003 - there's probably
a big difference in some of the results. --- http://www.mistwalkercorp.com/en/_src/sc569/HNI_0022.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 6:24:36 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of LttP, in the fourpack with LttP/LoZ/FFVII/SMB3, wouldn't
SMB3 be the favorite for second? I mean, just thinking about it makes
me want to choose SMB3, but I just can't for some reason. Is it really
that much stronger then SMB3? I have SMB3 and I'm not looking back. It was already close enough to LttP that when you add LoZ, as hard as it's going to get pounded, I can't see LttP advancing here. Though I can't wait for FF7 to get 60%+ in this match Play rate is a factor though, especially for older games, so you can't dismiss it. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1890 Tetris > Zelda confirmed o wait --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 6:25:40 PM | message detail |
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From: MarioSuperstar | #463 I think the change comes from new users coming here and old ones leaving. A 13 year old isn't going to have the same favourite games as a 25 year old in most cases. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 6:27:27 PM | message detail |
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Play rate is a factor though, especially for older games, so you can't dismiss it. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1890 Tetris > Zelda confirmed o wait Play rate is a factor, but it's not the only factor. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 6:28:14 PM | message detail |
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with Zelda and Mario, throw playrate out. it's about which is more preferred. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 6:28:33 PM | message detail |
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and this isn't really one debate is going to solve - it just depends on if you think Mario 1 is bigger than Zelda 1. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/21/2009 6:30:09 PM | message detail |
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Of course playrate is a factor, but once you go over 50-60% play rate
I'd say it's probably fairly irrelevant. Particularly in this format
where a game won't need as high % to win --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 6:30:38 PM | message detail |
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I don't see much supporting SMB It isn't considered a particularly good game like SMB3 and most of it's strength comes from it's exposure, like Pac-Man or Tetris. And we see what happens when games like that go up against Zeldas. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 6:34:55 PM | message detail |
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| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 6:35:53 PM | message detail |
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I don't see much supporting SMB Pages 8-9. Re-read them. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 6:53:05 PM | message detail |
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The fact that Mario World and Mario 64 got in before it, despite it
being such a played game means that I think people have expectations
that are way too high. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 6:53:10 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I consider SMB a lot like Tetris but stronger. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 6:54:25 PM | message detail |
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Mario 64 is very similar to SMB. What SMB did for games in general, SM64 did for 3D gaming. SMW and SMB3 are very similar to each other so that's understandable as well. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| ZFS | Posted 3/21/2009 6:56:54 PM | message detail |
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Mario World and Mario 64 got in before SMB1 because only one game per
series per era could get into the last games contest. It's why FFVIII
and FFIX didn't get into the contest, but stuff like DDR did. SMB3 was
the clear choice for the 8-bit era, and Mario World/Mario 64 were
pretty much the only Mario options for their era. There's reason to doubt SMB1, but that's a bad one. --- http://www.mistwalkercorp.com/en/_src/sc569/HNI_0022.jpg |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 6:57:07 PM | message detail |
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bad argument - Mario 1 might have that appeal for people over 30, but
that's a small demographic. Mario 64 has that appeal for people about
20 - much more in our age range. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 6:58:53 PM | message detail |
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comparing Mario 1 to Tetris is also a bad idea. Zelda's not going to double it. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| ZFS | Posted 3/21/2009 7:04:38 PM | message detail |
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Wonder how they compare on MyGames... http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/home/525243.html http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/home/563433.html Ha. Pretty much same. --- http://www.mistwalkercorp.com/en/_src/sc569/HNI_0022.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 7:15:06 PM | message detail |
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I never said Zelda was going to double it, but I have yet to see a strong argument in favour of SMB beating LoZ. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 7:16:48 PM | message detail |
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there's been more for Mario than Zelda, which is just "it's Zelda, stupid" --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/21/2009 7:27:03 PM | message detail |
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but I have yet to see a strong argument in favour of SMB beating LoZ. Again, re-read pages 8-9. It's all arguments for SMB. The only argument for LoZ is the fact it got 43% against SMB3. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/21/2009 7:28:25 PM | message detail |
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we all know it won't matter in the end cuz Secret of Monkey Island will SFF them all --- http://card.mygamercard.net/nxe/albion+hero.png http://thegamerscafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/civrev_nycc_hands-on-main.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 7:42:38 PM | message detail |
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And you think SMB would indirectly get 43% on SMB3? I highly doubt it --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/21/2009 8:18:09 PM | message detail |
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Well, we don't really know if SMB1 is as liked as SMW, but we have no real evidence for neither. It's just an instinct thing. I've never really found many people crazy about SMB1 unless they were old or already hardcore Mario fans, so I see it less than World. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 9:27:16 PM | message detail |
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we already know that Mario World is more liked than Mario 1. that's not even a question. Mario 1 vs Zelda 1 is a different story - that's two dated games without much of a core fanbase fighting over which is more liked. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 9:40:52 PM | message detail |
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Even if you're a hardcore Mario fan or "old", most people don't see SMB
as anything different from classic arcade games from the time. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 9:41:26 PM | message detail |
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..huh? --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 9:45:24 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #483 It is a darn good argument though. Do you think SMB could get 43 on SMB 3 indirectly. If the answer is no (and it is) then we have a pretty simple thing here. The 4th/5th biggest Mario game is not taking down Zelda. Not on GameFAQs. Simply put, no one cares about SMB or Legend of Zelda compared to the newer games, and because of that, it will come down to franchise voting, and because of that, LoZ is going to hammer it for 2 straight rounds, and send it packing home, while it goes on with SMB 3. But I can make this even simpler anyway. Say the we are all wrong and Mario actually beats Zelda in a miracle, they will both move on to the next round, where SMB gets killed by SMB 3 and SMW, and LoZ moves on anyway to meet ALttP and FF VII. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/21/2009 9:48:42 PM | message detail |
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Tetris is making it to the Quarterfinals. Sorry. --- GT: TriggerTRE Now Playing: Street Fighter IV |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2009 9:55:24 PM | message detail |
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Except it will be Mega Man 2/2 instead of SMW and SMB --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 9:59:17 PM | message detail |
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From: Dilated Chemist | #491 Yeah, it's not. Even with the beating Zelda is going to put on Mario, SMB will still be more than strong enough to beat Tetris. Tetris has much more chance of not even making that match, than it does of leaving that match over the 2 of the biggest games on the NES. Except it will be Mega Man 2/2 instead of SMW and SMB I actually understand this pick. I don't see it happening, but I admit it makes sense. That said, I worry much more about FF IV than I would ever about MM2. If a game makes it there that is not SMW, than it will be FF IV, because Allen is a IV fanboy, and gave it a golden sffed filled path to march on. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/21/2009 10:39:39 PM | message detail |
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I have SMB over LoZ at the moment, but that might change. SMB > Tetris > LoZ > MM2 LoZ > Tetris > SMB > MM2 Either way, Tetris to the Quarterfinals! Upset Special. --- GT: TriggerTRE Now Playing: Street Fighter IV |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/21/2009 11:44:00 PM | message detail |
| People holding onto the "can SMB get 43% on SMB3?"
question aren't acknowledging that match is five years old now and in a
different format; there is plenty of room to change. The only reason
this is still a strong point is because LoZ did surprisingly well and
SMB was excluded due to the nomination-system. LoZ did a FINE-fine job in 2004, don't get me wrong; it had the biggest blow-out in the contest against Adventure (...haha), crushed DK, embarrassed Tetris, and outdid FF against a common opponent. That's great. That said, does anybody think SMB wouldn't have done the same if it was in LoZ's position then (aside from the SFF dished from SMB3)? I'm assuming the majority agrees (darn u lopen), so they should already be close based off that. SMB's also got reason to hold up stronger than LoZ since 2004; its place in history is FAR more important and is generally still more playable today. We also know from the Series Contest that it's not like LoZ is far ahead of SMB fased on FF...yes, LoZ would have beaten SMB worse head-to-head, but I don't know how much that matters when you look at the individual games and get away from their biggest hits (pit not-LoZ:OoT/LoZ:LttP against not-SMB3/SM64...how much SFF do you expect?). It's then worth reminding that the NES is Mario's turf if it's any series's home territory (LoZ beats SMB on every other system, really). This is backed up by the Top 100 List from late 2005, which has SMB3/SMB/LoZ as easily the top three NES-games (#5, #22, and #30, respectively); two Mario games sit on top of the NES in that format, and it's not like that's a shocker. From there, it's just the usual talk; we know SMB was packed with the system, we've seen the comparison between their playrate-polls...all that. Nothing that will win the match alone, but you can't deny it's in SMB's favor (even with more people beating SMB and less people not interested in playing it). We've talked about how SMB was one of the biggest snubs from 2004 since 2004. The only thing LoZ currently has on SMB is that it's proven itself years ago. You have to respect that, but there's not a lot of reason to doubt SMB can match it. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| transience | Posted 3/21/2009 11:47:16 PM | message detail |
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yep, HRRH made the argument. put SMB in Tetris's place and it does the
same tripling. SMB destroys DK. SMB probably takes FF1, just like Zelda
1 would probably take FF1. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| Meeks54 | Posted 3/21/2009 11:56:00 PM | message detail |
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From: HaRRicH | #495 Yeah, actually it has one huge thing you forgot on it too. It is Zelda, and if this comes down to franchise voting (and there is NO reason to think it won't, being that both these games are far outclassed in their own series) then it is going to kill it. And no, I don't think for one second that SMB would have been able to produce the biggest blow out in contest history, truthfully, I don't think FF VII or OoT would have hammered Adventure by that much more. That was Franchise voting at it's purist right there. Speaking of history, your post acts like The Legend of Zelda's history is not big. Yes, I agree that SMB's place is more important, but there is no way to say it is FAR more important. Congrats, you saved gaming, no one on this site cares. They both redefined gaming. And they would both do it once again on the N 64, for the same reason OoT torched SM 64, SMB is going down. And I have yet to hear one person say SMB was the biggest snub, everyone I have ever heard has said FF VIII, and a couple random people have said Majora's Mask. Nothing in the world will help SMB against LoZ, not play rate, not place in history, not that it saved gaming, nothing except being the legitimately much stronger game (since if it is at all close, series voting will kill it). If it is stronger, congrats to it, it will still get nailed next round. But it is not going to be stronger, because it will not be these 2 games against each other, it will be Super Mario series vs Zelda series, and Zelda always wins. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| HaRRicH | Posted 3/22/2009 1:03:43 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, actually it has one huge thing you forgot on it too. It is
Zelda, and if this comes down to franchise voting (and there is NO
reason to think it won't, being that both these games are far
outclassed in their own series) then it is going to kill it. I acknowledged LoZ > SMB in the Series Contest, which is why we fear LoZ's franchise votes more than any other's. Also, judging by their play-rates, considering the format we're using, and knowing from the Top 100 List that they're both legitimately liked games...franchise voting doesn't even have to be that big of a part of the match. And no, I don't think for one second that SMB would have been able to produce the biggest blow out in contest history, truthfully, I don't think FF VII or OoT would have hammered Adventure by that much more. That was Franchise voting at it's purist right there. Well, you're right in that LoZ:OoT would have been expected to get 3.58% on Adventure in comparison to LoZ's original 4.8%, but I don't think you realize how much harder it is to drive somebody that much lower once they're already that low. LoZ:OoT theoretically being able to outdo LoZ by over a percent there is quite a difference in power. That's a very deceptive 1.22%. Speaking of history, your post acts like The Legend of Zelda's history is not big. Yes, I agree that SMB's place is more important, but there is no way to say it is FAR more important. Congrats, you saved gaming, no one on this site cares. They both redefined gaming. And they would both do it once again on the N 64, for the same reason OoT torched SM 64, SMB is going down. I've already mentioned how popular LoZ was -- it even made colored cartridges a selling point. That said, LoZ's importance simply does not compare to SMB's. It was first, everyone practically had to have it, it's more well-known in our general culture, and is arguably the preferred game amongst gamers (at worst, it's not far behind LoZ). Comparing SMB/LoZ to SM64/LoZ:OoT is a joke though -- there is not much resistance to people who think LoZ:OoT is the best game ever and SM64 revolutionized a thriving industry. Meanwhile, not so many people think LoZ's even the best game on its system, and SMB revolutionized an otherwise-dead industry. Any respectable gamer has all sorts of respect for all games involved (myself included; I grew up with them and more), but that analogy is bad. And I have yet to hear one person say SMB was the biggest snub, everyone I have ever heard has said FF VIII, and a couple random people have said Majora's Mask. Since 2004, there have been three major snubs that were eligible then: SMB and the two you mentioned (with FF8 probably getting the most attention). Just because the board put much more attention in trying to get FF8 and LoZ:MM than SMB doesn't mean SMB's not in that same category. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| transience | Posted 3/22/2009 1:12:01 AM | message detail |
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I'm pretty sure OOT would have done worse on Adventure, actually. anti-votes mean a lot. not that we'll ever know cause lol fourways --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| transience | Posted 3/22/2009 1:12:06 AM | message detail |
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lol fourways --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
