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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 657

MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 9:46:47 PM | message detail
hm..

Fable or Oblivion?
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/15/2009 9:49:45 PM | message detail
want a pro-Symphonia argument? look at the 360 GOTY poll and then remember that Symphonia is a good ways ahead of Vesperia.

Again, Symphonia's only poll isn't trustworthy, and for that matter, I don't trust Vesperia's either.
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transience | Posted 3/15/2009 9:50:11 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2626

you can hold Gears and Gears 2 equal, I guess.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 9:50:21 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2794

Hm. Pretty good poll. Came close to Diablo.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/15/2009 9:55:56 PM | message detail
So let me get this straight.....

You're taking the second most popular game in a series which was doubled by Street Fighter in 2006, and has had no notable success against the flagship PS2 game that has a really young character already ahead of most other characters in contest history?

I honestly can't see God of War not advancing there.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 10:00:42 PM | message detail
God of War would have gotten more than doubled by Street Fighter.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/15/2009 10:06:35 PM | message detail
Yes, because it is a 2 game series.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 10:08:53 PM | message detail
So was Smash at the time.

The point is, don't expect God of War to be akin to Kratos in a game contest. It just doesn't work like that. Sure it'll have strength but franchise voting is pretty much out of the question so it'll actually have to rely on game strength more.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/15/2009 10:08:59 PM | message detail
And you think anyone on the site has played anything but Oblivion and MAYBE Morrowind?

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ZFS | Posted 3/15/2009 10:12:36 PM | message detail
The point is, don't expect God of War to be akin to Kratos in a game contest. It just doesn't work like that. Sure it'll have strength but franchise voting is pretty much out of the question so it'll actually have to rely on game strength more.

I agree with this. There are way too many instances where characters are stronger than their games and vice versa. Check out Squall - he smashes every FFVI character, but FFVIII wouldn't touch FFVI. Dante and Kratos have risen way above what their games/series are worth around here. People like DMC and GoW, but they aren't big favorites. Fortunately for GoW, it's up against Oblivion and Tales, so it has a good shot at advancing. Still like Oblivion there, though.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 4:28:08 AM | message detail
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/14/2009 11:24:48 PM | message detail | filter | quote | #293
More like why don't people realize FFVIII is going to beat FFX. Squall triples Tidus how can you deny this evidence.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/14/2009 11:29:21 PM | message detail | filter | quote | #294
Quiet, Leonhart in disguise.


Hey, even I have FFX beating FFVIII there!
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/16/2009 5:11:11 AM | message detail
Which game is stronger: Super Mario Galaxy or Super Smash Bros. Brawl?

Can both games advance with Metal Gear Solid 4 and Halo 3 in the same poll?

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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 5:12:43 AM | message detail
The first question: I don't know, but I'm picking Brawl.

Second question: I doubt it.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/16/2009 5:23:09 AM | message detail
Zelda: OOT
MGS1
SSBM
FFX

Who you got?

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/16/2009 5:30:02 AM | message detail
SMB3
Tetris
FFVII
Zelda: LttP

What if... for some reason voters decide to vote for Tetris just because... and it ends up advancing!

That would be awesome.

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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/16/2009 6:44:24 AM | message detail
Zelda: OOT
MGS1
SSBM
FFX

Who you got?


Personally, Oot > MGS

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/16/2009 10:17:57 AM | message detail
I don't see how Halo 3 will be in the match with both of them in the first place.
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voltch | Posted 3/16/2009 11:23:09 AM | message detail
MGS>FFX?

i doubt the 3rd best FF would fall against a game we aren't even sure is top of it's franchise.

well how far behind was MGS from X in the xsts and how far away from the FFs was MGS in the series contest?

with no SFF/LFF concerning those 2 games thise results would be interesting.
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voltch | Posted 3/16/2009 11:54:04 AM | message detail
doesn't matter,starcraft is in that match imo.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/16/2009 1:23:24 PM | message detail
I don't see how Halo 3 will be in the match with both of them in the first place.

Who then, Fallout 3?

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creativename | Posted 3/16/2009 3:24:17 PM | message detail
What if... for some reason voters decide to vote for Tetris just because... and it ends up advancing!

Something like that is possible late in the contest, with momentum developed from earlier.
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creativename | Posted 3/16/2009 3:27:47 PM | message detail
doesn't matter,starcraft is in that match imo.

It's possible...Starcraft has momentum started from years ago. It could show it off early.

But...isn't Final Fantasy 8 the obvious choice there? People think MGS will beat it...?
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voltch | Posted 3/16/2009 3:31:52 PM | message detail
i'd put VIII below X and when it comes to close matches,i back starcraft,plus i don't think it'll be any weaker.MGS seems like it can flop for a reason i can't quite put my finger on.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/16/2009 3:38:41 PM | message detail

But...isn't Final Fantasy 8 the obvious choice there? People think MGS will beat it...?


FFVIII shouldn't be the obvious choice for anything. It might have a shot, but it's far more likely to be severely over-estimated here. It is the Majora's Mask of the FF universe.
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KonataKagami | Posted 3/16/2009 3:44:16 PM | message detail
Top 8 boi

SMB3 > Zelda 1 > FF2 > SMB1

FFVII > Chrono Trigger > LttP > Final Fantasy VI (Lol bye Lttp)

Zelda : OoT > Starcraft > FFX > SSBM (SSBM is sff'd by OoT and starcraft rallies > FFX imho)

RE4 > MGS4 > TP > SSBB
voltch | Posted 3/16/2009 3:45:40 PM | message detail
games are mostly same as mine order ain't.

prof Oak is soooo getting into the next character battle.
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KonataKagami | Posted 3/16/2009 3:49:20 PM | message detail
Iyo does RE4 and MGS4 leech eachother? Third Person Shooter fanbase?
voltch | Posted 3/16/2009 3:50:59 PM | message detail
they shouldn't,but we got some weird MGS/RE stuff before,but really those particular games shouldn't.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/16/2009 4:16:27 PM | message detail
I'd be pretty confident in MGS > FF8. I struggled with Tactics in a bad Snake year and good Square year.
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 4:22:48 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be too surprised if FFVIII managed to do something weird if it got that far, but MGS is the safe bet there.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/16/2009 4:37:38 PM | message detail
What is with today's poll having such high vote totals?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 4:51:23 PM | message detail
Joke poll.
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creativename | Posted 3/16/2009 5:29:35 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be too surprised if FFVIII managed to do something weird if it got that far, but MGS is the safe bet there.

Yeah FF8 has a bit of that unpredictable aura about it.

I haven't looked at the bracket closely and just made a real quick, first-impression based bracket and I'll probably change some stuff later. But I do know there's no way I'm going to put change and put MGS to beat out FF8.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/16/2009 5:30:58 PM | message detail
May I ask why you're up on FFVIII or down on MGS?
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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 5:31:04 PM | message detail
FF8 needs a few things to go right -- FF9 losing to Half-Life and FFT to be out by round 3, namely -- in order to have a fair fight there.
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creativename | Posted 3/16/2009 5:33:15 PM | message detail
I don't know, I just in my gut can't see MGS beating FF8.

I don't think MGS games are strong enough, and I don't think VIII would be much weaker than VI or X. It's not 2000 anymore, FF8 is no longer hated. I think it may have been the strongest game left out last contest.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 5:34:34 PM | message detail
It's not 2000 anymore, FF8 is no longer hated.

Since when has anything pointed to this?

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creativename | Posted 3/16/2009 5:40:33 PM | message detail
FF8 needs a few things to go right -- FF9 losing to Half-Life and FFT to be out by round 3, namely -- in order to have a fair fight there.

Hm, true. I hadn't looked closely enough at the bracket to see that.

But FF8 and FF9 can't both be there right? And there's of course no way 9 beats 8, 9 will get SFFed to oblivion probably. Distant 4th in round 2 even if it gets there. I guess what you're saying is the high possibility that Starcraft will beat it out? (in which case I think it'd probably beat MGS too)

And Tactics has pretty tough competition to get to round 3.

But simulation-wise or something, it might make a lot of sense to put MGS ahead of FF8 (even if you think 8 is stronger in raw terms) because of there being more scenarios where 8 is crippled. And most here seem to think MGS is stronger in raw terms anyway. I just have trouble going with that though.

I have less trouble with Starcraft, there's a real good chance of that eliminating both.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 5:42:45 PM | message detail
yeah, exactly. FFT is in a fortuitous position because it's got two Nintendo games in round 2 if it gets by the game that lost handily to Xenogears.
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 5:43:42 PM | message detail
I think you're overestimating FFVIII a good bit. I don't think it can hang with FFVI or FFX, and I doubt it could SFF FFIX significantly.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 5:48:49 PM | message detail
FF8 needs a few things to go right -- FF9 losing to Half-Life and FFT to be out by round 3, namely -- in order to have a fair fight there.

I think FFVIII's biggest problem is round 1. I figure if it can get past there, it's got no excuses. I don't expect FFIX or FFT to be in the picture, honestly. It's just got to be stronger than StarCraft and then MGS, which is within its ability.

And FFVIII wouldn't get killed by FFVI or FFX, by any means, I think, and there's no doubt it beats FFIX, no matter how significant the SFF is.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 5:50:02 PM | message detail
Uh...no one's saying FFIX beats FFVIII, we're saying FFIX LFFs FFVIII.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 5:51:34 PM | message detail
I don't think FFIX will be there to LFF FFVIII, so I'm not taking that into consideration here, though I agree.
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 5:54:13 PM | message detail
Can't say I agree there. I think FFVI and FFX would outdo FFVIII easily, directly and indirectly. I would agree that FFVIII would beat FFIX, but it wouldn't be a killing or anything. If FFIX's in the second round, FFVIII has no chance.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 5:55:23 PM | message detail
Again, I agree, but I don't think FFIX's chances of being there aren't that great, so I'm not too worried about it!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 5:55:33 PM | message detail
darn you triple negatives
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 5:56:59 PM | message detail
Better than FFVIII's chances at getting to MGS, anyway!

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/16/2009 6:01:59 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VIII has always done pretty well in those "favorite FF" polls. Considering it's probably the most likely one to get SFF pummeled by VII and Squall's general beastliness, I'd say one has enough ammo to make that game their bracket dark horse.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 6:03:12 PM | message detail
that FF9 match is pretty big in my mind.

if FF9 wins, it obviously hurts FF8's chances of beating Starcraft, but if Half-Life wins then there's probably a good chance that it hinders Starcraft against FF8. plus there's the fact that we have no idea how strong either Starcraft or FF8 are... funny division, that. easily the hardest one.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 6:03:44 PM | message detail
Better than FFVIII's chances at getting to MGS, anyway!

I don't see why FFVIII doesn't have a fighting chance anyway.
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