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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 657

MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 12:46:00 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #296
when I convinced some idiot to take Zero to the Final Four on AIM in Summer 2004.


The only guy I remember doing that was... Tequila Gundam.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/15/2009 12:46:50 AM | message detail
That doesn't disprove my point at all.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 12:46:53 AM | message detail
Wait that was 2005. Nevermind!
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voltch | Posted 3/15/2009 1:49:07 AM | message detail
what's the status on FFXII and VIII?

Starcraft's going far with me,but is Starcraft II generating ANY kind of hype whatsoever?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/15/2009 7:26:07 AM | message detail
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#253 And I don't think Mario World will get SFFd by Mario 3. Like, at all.

I agree I don't see SMB3/SMW/SM64 SFFing each other anymore than maybe a couple of points. LFF on the other hand...


This is the reason why 4-ways suck.

As for the FF1/FF4 argument, it doesn't matter which is stronger because SMW and MM3 are the ones getting out of that match.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/15/2009 7:26:48 AM | message detail
Starcraft 2 is too far away to really have any impact on the contest, barring an open beta opening, but that's not likely until sometime in the fall/winter.
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voltch | Posted 3/15/2009 7:39:04 AM | message detail
for all we know MM3 will fold worse than Sonic 2 did vs SMW,should that happen IV's likely to pass each match in an almost nailbiting fashion.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/15/2009 7:52:08 AM | message detail
If Mega Man 3 gets SFF then what's stoping FFIV from being hit as well? This is 3 SNES vs 1 NES.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/15/2009 8:18:51 AM | message detail
It's 2 SNES vs 2 NES

And there's a lot less in common between SMW/MM3 than there was between SMW and Sonic 2.

And for all we know, Sonic 2 could have legitimately been that damn weak.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/15/2009 8:35:40 AM | message detail
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 8:56:49 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #309
And for all we know, Sonic 2 could have legitimately been that damn weak.


No, I refuse to believe it'd nearly lose to Earthbound.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 8:58:13 AM | message detail
Not to mention that Sonic 2 was essentially released the same time Mega Man 3 also was.

I honestly dont see what's stopping Mario from completely owning this match either. If you can see Zelda doing it, why wouldn't Mario? This is a division with relevant years in it.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/15/2009 10:04:05 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2799

If you thought SMW/Sonic 2 was SFF, SMW/MM3 won't be much prettier...not to mention that MM3 is infinitely more Nintendo-based and was less of a big deal than Sonic 2.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 10:14:28 AM | message detail
So how does everyone feel about Brawl/Galaxy?
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InfernoBane | Posted 3/15/2009 11:20:54 AM | message detail
For the 1998-2000 Div final how does Zelda: OOT > MGS sound?

At first I liked Starcraft to go a long ways (quarterfinals) I have it finishing first over FF8, but then I realized it ends up in a 4 way with Half-Life, OOT, and FF8. Conceivably it will compete with Half-Life for some PC gamer votes. OOT and FF8 will be getting the full support of their respective fan bases, so I expect Starcraft to be eliminated to a second place FF8.

Which pretty much leaves me with FF8 VS MGS 1on1 since the other two are OOT and Majora's Mask. OOT is the obvious first place, the only question is how the Sony votes split.


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Calintares | Posted 3/15/2009 11:27:28 AM | message detail
What are the grounds for believing LoZ: Majora's Mask is weak?

Has it ever been in any popularity poll outside of Ocarina of Time?

It don't seen to farfetched to think that Ocarina SFFs it into the ground, but it might do reasonably well in matches where it is not held down by OOT or any other superior Zelda game.

Personally I would say MM is at least half as strong as OOT, and just that is still pretty good.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 3/15/2009 11:33:40 AM | message detail
GTA:SA > RE4.
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InfernoBane | Posted 3/15/2009 11:44:53 AM | message detail
Half as strong as OOT (which I don't think it is) should not be able to beat a near full strength FF8 or MGS.

Most anyone that has played MM played OOT first, and all of them that I know liked OOT better. I think MM will be very strong in any match that does not include OOT, but with OOT I predict it finishing last.


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TheSaviorEC | Posted 3/15/2009 12:08:06 PM | message detail
whoo finally back on b8. so if I post my (horrible) bracket will every one tell me all my horrendous picks, or do we have some sort of excel spreadsheet up and running for everyone's picks?

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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/15/2009 12:12:42 PM | message detail
charmander's doing the BOP again:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509
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TheSaviorEC | Posted 3/15/2009 12:16:16 PM | message detail
excellent... I couldn't remember the name so I couldn't search it.

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charmander6000 | Posted 3/15/2009 12:43:44 PM | message detail
One match that hasn't had much discussion is MM2/Tetris in round 2. In the BOP they are basically even.

Also the only match to have full consensus for first and second is FFX/MGS2/SH2/Morrowind, what a crazy contest.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/15/2009 12:50:46 PM | message detail
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 12:59:15 PM | message detail
I have been having random thoughts about Tetris/Mega Man. Of course Mega Man = Zelda, but does it have to in order to become more liked than Tetris?
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Master Moltar | Posted 3/15/2009 1:01:02 PM | message detail
pssh this bracket ain't so tough

i've gotten to the point where i'm satisfied with everything outside of the SMW/FF4/FF1/MM3 match and the resulting fallout for each round after that match (it's so ridiculous).
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/15/2009 1:04:25 PM | message detail
I think the problem arises in matches where it affects other matches.
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Guess how many teens | Posted 3/15/2009 1:26:50 PM | message detail
At first I liked Starcraft to go a long ways (quarterfinals) I have it finishing first over FF8, but then I realized it ends up in a 4 way with Half-Life, OOT, and FF8. Conceivably it will compete with Half-Life for some PC gamer votes.

How much do PC gamer votes really count for such old games? Both were released in a time where if you had a pc, you could probably run the game. For modern pc games, this is completely different. I don't think there are many gamers on gamefaqs that are interested in games like starcraft but have never played starcraft.

I think it's more case of FPS genre vs RTS gerne then PC vs PC if you want to make that comparison
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ZFS | Posted 3/15/2009 1:42:34 PM | message detail
And there's a lot less in common between SMW/MM3 than there was between SMW and Sonic 2.

If anything, I would expect SMW/MM3 to share more in common than SMW/Sonic 2, since both of them were Nintendo platformers. But even if there were less, it shouldn't be by much, and considering the hurtin' that SMW put on Sonic, I don't see Mega Man getting out there without losing a lot of its support.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1638

To me, this match is two Nintendo games and two Square games, with MM3 being the overall weakest of the four. With SMW killing it, even if FF and FFIV split evenly, I'd still expect one of them to advance before MM.

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voltch | Posted 3/15/2009 1:56:20 PM | message detail
looking back,starcraft's power in the games contest came through rallying in matches where votals were feeble compared to now.

but let's in 4 ways that big hardcore fanbase gives it a floor above most game's ceilings.
the fact that's guarenteed what 45-50k votes a match,character wise who averaged that in the last 4 way character battle?
50k is more than 30% of the votes,which is generally more than what's needed to place,in 4 ways that thing could excel if there is any LFF in a match.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 3/15/2009 2:20:25 PM | message detail
For the 1998-2000 Div final how does Zelda: OOT > MGS sound?

At first I liked Starcraft to go a long ways (quarterfinals) I have it finishing first over FF8, but then I realized it ends up in a 4 way with Half-Life, OOT, and FF8. Conceivably it will compete with Half-Life for some PC gamer votes. OOT and FF8 will be getting the full support of their respective fan bases, so I expect Starcraft to be eliminated to a second place FF8.

Which pretty much leaves me with FF8 VS MGS 1on1 since the other two are OOT and Majora's Mask. OOT is the obvious first place, the only question is how the Sony votes split.


I have OOT>MGS in the Div final also, though for slightly different reasons. I think FF8 gets eliminated r1, so it's Starcraft vs. MGS in the div final. At first I had Starcraft winning and going to the semifinal, but upon rethinking it I don't believe Starcraft has the stuff to beat MGS, unless OOT sucks up enough of the votes to put it within rally range...

I also have FF10 being eliminated in r2 and that div final being SSBM>MGS2. This gives me a quarterfinal of OOT>MGS>SSBM>MGS2, a semifinal of OOT>MGS>SSBB>RE4, and a final of FF7>MGS>OOT>LTTP.

I am so screwed if MGS4 makes it to the semifinals, or if FF10 makes it past r2...

Oh and btw I can't believe you guys are debating the SMW/FF4/FF1/MM3 match. FF4 is going to curbstomp FF1. There is no doubt in my mind which game the vast majority of FF fans favor when there's no FF7/6/10/9/8 in the mix. And in the div final SMB3 and SMW are either going to split hard, putting both below FF4 (what i have in my bracket), or one is going to the SFF the other into the ground. Either way, FF4 is going to advance. This is one of the very few certainties in this bracket.

A much more debatable match is the quarterfinal of ZTP/RE4/SSBB/MGS4. I came up with SSBB>RE4>MGS4>ZTP, but i think any combination is possible. What do you guys have?
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Master Moltar | Posted 3/15/2009 3:19:53 PM | message detail

From: Chaotic Mind | #331
Oh and btw I can't believe you guys are debating the SMW/FF4/FF1/MM3 match. FF4 is going to curbstomp FF1. There is no doubt in my mind which game the vast majority of FF fans favor when there's no FF7/6/10/9/8 in the mix. And in the div final SMB3 and SMW are either going to split hard, putting both below FF4 (what i have in my bracket), or one is going to the SFF the other into the ground. Either way, FF4 is going to advance. This is one of the very few certainties in this bracket.

A much more debatable match is the quarterfinal of ZTP/RE4/SSBB/MGS4. I came up with SSBB>RE4>MGS4>ZTP, but i think any combination is possible. What do you guys have?


For me, the problem isn't the FF4 vs. FF1 vs. MM3 (I can't remember who said it, but I really liked the comparison to Link/Vincent/Crono/Zero, only I don't think FF4/FF1 is going to be that close in a direct match-up). It's just that everything after that is messy. Yeah FF4 has a chance of beating a SMB3-hindered SMW, and then it could also get by Zelda I and SMB, but...eh.

I know the "ff4 fanboyz" here are feeling pretty good about it reaching the semis, but that's one trigger I do not feel comfortable pulling.

Also I have MGS4 > TP for that match. 24 hours ago I had RE4 advancing, but then I got Game of the Century pollFEAR and now I'm having a hard time seeing RE4 getting out of there alive. Zelda can hold up against Brawl (biggest uncertainty here imo), and the "tru mgs fanz" take advantage of the Nintendo split.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/15/2009 3:32:26 PM | message detail

From: Chaotic Mind | #331

A much more debatable match is the quarterfinal of ZTP/RE4/SSBB/MGS4. I came up with SSBB>RE4>MGS4>ZTP, but i think any combination is possible. What do you guys have?


I have SSBB>MGS4>ZTP>RE4

I think SSBB has the SSB brand name going for it, I know everyone here believes the fanbase has a very "meh" reaction to it but I don't think it's hatred which is what drags specific entries down (take Chrono Cross, for example, absolutely hated in the Chrono fanbase so nobody is expecting it have CT's support). Apathy is deceiving so you really have to take the brand name into account which becomes another debate entirely. I have SSBB first because of the SSB brand name, which I think is a safe pick but not a lock.

Next is MGS4, it is by far the most universally liked MGS game since the first one. The second one has a love/hate association from the fanbase while MGS3 is recognized as a good game but MGS4 really cleaned house this year. It got GOTY from many publications, has EVERYTHING an MGS fan was looking for in story and characters and 9 months later it hasn't dropped off the radar like GTA4 or SSBB have done. I think this game will be a force and has the ability to edge over ZTP.

ZTP is really screwed with SSBB in this contest and I think it will slip into third. It all depends on how SSBB and ZTP play off of each other. I think it's above MM or TWW but below OOT or LTTP. For my pick to work, it has to be SFF'd by SBB just enough for MGS4 to slip into second. I don't think it'll leech enough votes from SBB to slip into second, MGS4 is just too strong of a opponent with a separate votebase for that to happen.

RE4 really cannot compete with the calibre of it's three opponents in this four-pack. You have a Zelda game, a MGS game and finally a SSB game which will pound it pretty hard. It will not finish second, it might finish third if SSBB really takes votes from ZTP though if ZTP leeches votes from SSBB then RE4 will slip to fourth.

That went on longer than I wanted, I'm likely wrong but that's what I used to make my picks and if I'm wrong then you all are going to benefit from another ruined bracket.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 3/15/2009 3:41:57 PM | message detail
I really don't know what to say about this bracket. All I know that my double upset with both Tetris and Starcraft in the finals won't work, but I just can't see them lose...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/15/2009 3:51:51 PM | message detail
I think you guys are selling TP short and Brawl high.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 3/15/2009 3:57:04 PM | message detail
Shouldn't there be more overlap between SNES Square and SNES Nintendo than for later Square and Nintendo?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/15/2009 3:57:53 PM | message detail
There is absolutely no way Brawl beats TP.

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Chaotic Mind | Posted 3/15/2009 4:02:33 PM | message detail
I know the "ff4 fanboyz" here are feeling pretty good about it reaching the semis, but that's one trigger I do not feel comfortable pulling.

I'm not a ff4 fanboy. It's like, my third or fourth ranked ff. I just don't see any way SMB3 and SMW BOTH place ahead of it. I don't buy that they can garner that much of the total vote. Same goes for SMB1 and whoever advances with FF4, SMB3 or SMW.

Also I have MGS4 > TP for that match. 24 hours ago I had RE4 advancing, but then I got Game of the Century pollFEAR and now I'm having a hard time seeing RE4 getting out of there alive. Zelda can hold up against Brawl (biggest uncertainty here imo), and the "tru mgs fanz" take advantage of the Nintendo split.

RE4 did pretty well in the GOTC poll, coming in second. I'm leaning towards Brawl in the TP vs. SSBB part of the match, mostly because some of the Zelda fans should have enough brains to realize they don't want it in the the next rounds with OOT. As for MGS4... I just have a hard time having faith in a ps3 game when ps3 ownership is so low. I also have a hard time seeing RE4>MGS4 or vice versa, and neither of the Nintendo games placing.

You could definitely be right though. That match is a total cluster****.
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 3/15/2009 4:09:56 PM | message detail
That brings up another question. If the semifinal is OOT/MGS/MGS4/TP, which MGS comes out on top?
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Stingers__ | Posted 3/15/2009 4:10:55 PM | message detail
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easily in fact
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/15/2009 4:14:41 PM | message detail

From: Chaotic Mind | #339
That brings up another question. If the semifinal is OOT/MGS/MGS4/TP, which MGS comes out on top?


Going to have to give it to MGS1, but it will be close.
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InfernoBane | Posted 3/15/2009 4:18:32 PM | message detail
Currently my semifinal is FF7 > OOT > MGS4 > LTTP. I think having LTTP and OOT in the final gives FF7 the easy win, but do those two games split enough votes to give MGS4 second?


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Master Moltar | Posted 3/15/2009 4:19:59 PM | message detail
I'm not a ff4 fanboy. I

I was referring more to the HM's and Klennex's and War's of the stats topic

RE4 did pretty well in the GOTC poll, coming in second.

It finished 2% ahead of TP, which had Wind Waker, Prime and Galaxy anchoring it down the most. I don't think Brawl is worth more than all of those combined.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/15/2009 4:21:51 PM | message detail
That assumes that RE4 isn't pseudo-Nintendo. Those games obviously hurt TP the most, but they hurt RE4 some too.

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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/15/2009 4:22:51 PM | message detail

From: InfernoBane | #343
Currently my semifinal is FF7 > OOT > MGS4 > LTTP. I think having LTTP and OOT in the final gives FF7 the easy win, but do those two games split enough votes to give MGS4 second?


No, I think OOT is in a class of it's own and won't so much split votes as it will have LTTP leeching votes from it (giving FF7 the win, but denying MGS4 the chance to edge into second).
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 3/15/2009 4:28:49 PM | message detail
RE4 did pretty well in the GOTC poll, coming in second.

It finished 2% ahead of TP, which had Wind Waker, Prime and Galaxy anchoring it down the most. I don't think Brawl is worth more than all of those combined.


Like KP said, there's a good chance those games hurt RE4 also. And consider this: where would the votes for FFX and GTA go if they were removed from the poll? I have a gut feeling that the majority of them would go to RE4.

The question is if MGS4 steals most of them from RE4.
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 3/15/2009 4:37:11 PM | message detail
I was referring more to the HM's and Klennex's and War's of the stats topic

aww yeah I get mentions now
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/15/2009 4:39:34 PM | message detail
whoa there, I've got MM3 advancing in that part of the bracket thank you very much
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