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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 657

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:46:10 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #248
And I don't think Mario World will get SFFd by Mario 3. Like, at all.


Did you think that Squall wouldn't be SFF'd by Cloud in 2004, too?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:47:22 PM | message detail
Mario World and Mega Man might as well both be Nintendo platformers - those aren't two different fanbases that aren't going to hurt each other. We saw what Mario World did to Sonic in the last contest, I'd expect the same thing to happen here. All FFIV has to do is SFF FF1 instead of split evenly, something that shouldn't be that unlikely. People tend to give FF1 too much credit, but we went over that one earlier!

MW and MM will split a bit. FF and FFIV will split a whole hell of a lot worse.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:47:33 PM | message detail
And I don't think Mario World will get SFFd by Mario 3. Like, at all.

I agree I don't see SMB3/SMW/SM64 SFFing each other anymore than maybe a couple of points. LFF on the other hand...
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ZFS | Posted 3/14/2009 3:48:39 PM | message detail
I don't know that I'd say a 'bit,' but then, I don't think there's really any split happening there. It's just Mario World rocking MM3.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:51:58 PM | message detail
Assuming no SFF whatsoever:

Super Mario World (2004g raw) has a raw strength of 37.66 against Base Link.
Final Fantasy 1 (2004g raw) has a raw strength of 35.46 against Base Link.

Super Mario World 52.92% 39,765
Final Fantasy 1 47.08% 35,375
TOTAL VOTES 75,140
Super Mario World wins with 52.92% of the vote!
A 4,389 vote margin of victory.


If *anything*, Final Fantasy 1 is the big threat to benefit from this soft path.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 3:55:15 PM | message detail
Nah, FFI will get hurt when it can't benefit from the brand name, since FFIV will already be in there.

But with games, there's no way to assume transitivity.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:57:17 PM | message detail
So are we going to ignore that franchise votes won't help games as well as it did in 1v1?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 3:57:59 PM | message detail
Franchise votes will work fine as long as there aren't two games from the same franchise in the poll!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:58:03 PM | message detail
Too late, changing to FF1 > FF4 in round two bay-beh. Aw yeah.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 3:58:39 PM | message detail
Aw yeah, one less bracket to worry about!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/14/2009 4:00:28 PM | message detail
How is FF4 at all stronger than FF1, Mario World will SNES-SFF that poser into the GROUND.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 4:01:20 PM | message detail
Because FFIV has fans who do more than vote for the name!

And we can point to the FF polls where FFIV beats FFI!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 4:01:44 PM | message detail
hmm.. that just might be a good contest shocker.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/14/2009 4:05:22 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 3/14/2009 7:01:20 PM | #261
Because FFIV has fans who do more than vote for the name!

And we can point to the FF polls where FFIV beats FFI!


Pfft, adding Mario World to that poll will MURDER FF4. SNES SFF, baby. Oh yes!

And the Mega Man games are going to all be fodderifically fodderific fodderly fodder. Sum > parts on that series by far. So yes, Mario World will SFF FF4 more than FF1 because of the SNES, and Ulti will win once again!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 4:06:27 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #262
Because FFIV has fans who do more than vote for the name!

And we can point to the FF polls where FFIV beats FFI!


yeah like the 500 people who prefer FF4 over FF1
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mr_BRIAN | Posted 3/14/2009 4:06:36 PM | message detail
Why would anyone think FFI is stronger than FFIV?

...8-bit theater? >_>
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 4:08:17 PM | message detail

From: mr_BRIAN | #266
Why would anyone think FFI is stronger than FFIV?

...8-bit theater? >_>


Nobody thinks FF1 is stronger... just that FF4 isn't going to make it a complete non factor.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 4:08:30 PM | message detail
I'm kind of sensing a sarcastic move by that to tell you the truth.

FF wouldn't really get 47% on Mario World today anyway, and it's kinda unfair to say FF > FF4 so easily considering.. well, we've never seen FF4!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/14/2009 4:08:45 PM | message detail

From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 3/14/2009 7:06:36 PM | #264
Why would anyone think FFI is stronger than FFIV?

...8-bit theater? >_>


8-BIT THEATER'S ENDING BRINGS ABOUT AN FF1 BOOST.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/14/2009 4:08:59 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #262
Because FFIV has fans who do more than vote for the name!

And we can point to the FF polls where FFIV beats FFI!


Yeah, that's how I always felt. FF1 benefits from being the first in the series and has that brand recognition. But later games in the series added much more flavor to the FF1 formula with each flavor having it's own strength and weaknesses (so to speak). I would take FF4 over FF1 for that reason.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/14/2009 4:09:21 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #269
8-BIT THEATER'S ENDING BRINGS ABOUT AN FF1 BOOST.


Flashback to Vivi's first match, here...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 4:10:30 PM | message detail
I suppose Vivi would be the only reason I'd think FF has any strength, but I don' t know what games Black mages appear in.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/14/2009 4:12:33 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #272
I suppose Vivi would be the only reason I'd think FF has any strength, but I don' t know what games Black mages appear in.


Vivi is usually the one part of FF9 that most people praise, personally I think he's one of the best characters to appear in any FF game. I'm not saying that because he's the black mage, just that he was very well developed.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 4:15:04 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy III beats IV on both of the "Best Final Fantasy" polls I see

People who are stupid and think they're voting for 6?
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/14/2009 4:16:03 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #274
Final Fantasy III beats IV on both of the "Best Final Fantasy" polls I see

People who are stupid and think they're voting for 6?


Only thing I can think of
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transience | Posted 3/14/2009 4:17:03 PM | message detail
FF1 hell yeah suck it FF4
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/14/2009 4:23:55 PM | message detail

From: transience | Posted: 3/14/2009 7:17:03 PM | #272
FF1 hell yeah suck it FF4


LET'S DO THIS
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ZFS | Posted 3/14/2009 4:40:44 PM | message detail
ff1 hype bail out

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swirIdude | Posted 3/14/2009 4:48:15 PM | message detail
Just remember that back in the day, Ulti said he was going to give misinformation about his Summer 2004 bracket following his Spring 2004 win.

Just in case that might be useful information.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 4:49:07 PM | message detail
So? If people sit on his nuts all the time they deserve to get ****ed over.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 4:51:55 PM | message detail
Wow, no wonder I felt the sarcasm.

Well I don't really look at anybody's brackets so..


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swirIdude | Posted 3/14/2009 6:31:00 PM | message detail
Potential Round 2 matchup:

Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2
Kingdom Hearts
Metroid Prime/Paper Mario

With three PS2 entrants (including Square overlap in FFX and KH, and potential FFX/MGS2 SFF), where would you put the lone Nintendo representative?
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transience | Posted 3/14/2009 6:32:36 PM | message detail
that match eats me. I have a great desire to drop FFX in that round.

that could be its hardest match 'til the finals.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 6:34:15 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure Paper Mario wouldn't beat Metroid Prime.

With that said, I'd honestly take Prime first and feel good about it.. but I have no idea if FFX will truly be that affected by KH. It is the flagship after all.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/14/2009 6:57:53 PM | message detail
I've got Prime > FFX. I really hate to trust a Metroid title to do anything, but I think the FFX/KH split is going to be fairly painful. If it wasn't for mistrust of MGS2 and lingering doubt about FFVII/MGS, I might have FFX lose that round, but I'm not willing to take that chance when it could make the finals as well.
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transience | Posted 3/14/2009 7:09:25 PM | message detail
Prime/FFX/SSBM/? is interesting. could have Diablo 2 move on there.

then you'd have.. FFX/Diablo 2/OOT/? and that'd be weird.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/14/2009 7:12:57 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #274
Final Fantasy III beats IV on both of the "Best Final Fantasy" polls I see

People who are stupid and think they're voting for 6?


I'm probably one of the few who genuinely voted for FF3. The NES version was the ****.

The DS remake was just ****.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 7:24:54 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2
Kingdom Hearts
GTA: Vice City

Fixed.
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swirIdude | Posted 3/14/2009 7:50:25 PM | message detail
Aside from the WTF nature of taking an archaic GTA game over anything, you've just ruined my hypothetical situation by inducing a 4-man PS2 SFF fest.

Boo to you, good sir.
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swirIdude | Posted 3/14/2009 7:51:49 PM | message detail
And I just realized this could all lead to FFX appearing in the final.

Good lord.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 8:09:32 PM | message detail
it'd be interesting to see a mario party game in the contest.

preferably 1 or 2. heh.
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edwardsdv | Posted 3/14/2009 8:23:24 PM | message detail
too....much....FFX hype..... why dont people realize melee will beat it.
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/14/2009 8:24:48 PM | message detail
More like why don't people realize FFVIII is going to beat FFX. Squall triples Tidus how can you deny this evidence.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/14/2009 8:29:21 PM | message detail
Quiet, Leonhart in disguise.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 8:35:05 PM | message detail
too....much....FFX hype..... why dont people realize melee will beat it.

Top 2 advance, I have Melee beating FFX at some point in the bracket, but once Ocarina of Time comes all Nintendo games from the bottom half of the bracket are banned from attending the finals.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/15/2009 12:27:44 AM | message detail

From: swirIdude | Posted: 3/14/2009 10:50:25 PM | #285
Aside from the WTF nature of taking an archaic GTA game over anything, you've just ruined my hypothetical situation by inducing a 4-man PS2 SFF fest.

Boo to you, good sir.


I did that ONCE, when I convinced some idiot to take Zero to the Final Four on AIM in Summer 2004. I'm being 100% honest here, I don't trust FF4 in a poll against Mario World and FF1. I don't ever see FF4 breaking 40% on Mario 3, and the SNES thing could kill FF4 in that match.
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transience | Posted 3/15/2009 12:32:36 AM | message detail
don't get bogged down in the numbers -- I wouldn't think FF1 would get 40% on Mario 3 today, either. plus, that was a huge Square year still. old Square did really well that contest.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/15/2009 12:37:59 AM | message detail
SMW > MM3 > FFIV > FF

I thought that's what everyone got?

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Final Fantasy VI
Mega Man X
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Mortal Kombat II

Who takes 2nd?

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/15/2009 12:42:34 AM | message detail
I have MMX, entirely because I like the game more than Sonic 2. No clue who will actually win that one.
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