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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 657

BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/14/2009 2:58:18 PM | message detail
Big topics include:

- WoW, how far will it go?
- Half-Life vs FF9 in round 1
- Sonic 3/Super Metroid/Mario Kart
- Oregon Trail to round 2?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 2:58:28 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #181
Third strongest, but still.


Um we've never seen Diablo the character in this format WITHOUT a PC character so you can really just throw the x-stats out the window.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/14/2009 2:58:54 PM | message detail
I have SMB3 in the finals for that very reason
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 2:59:02 PM | message detail
I might be overrating SF2, but I have that match as SMB3/SF2/FF7/LttP
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transience | Posted 3/14/2009 2:59:08 PM | message detail
round 1 matches with no real effect on round 2 nobody cares about these
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 2:59:26 PM | message detail
Gordon is stronger then Diablo. Diablo could be stronger then Arthas, but that match can go either way.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 2:59:40 PM | message detail
I'd still take Freeman > Diablo in this format.
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ZFS | Posted 3/14/2009 3:00:10 PM | message detail
and FFT has since had a well-recieved remake.

Well, if you want to talk about sales, WotL didn't do anything there. I'd actually agree with you about people looking at characters too much, but it's not hard to see that MGS has gotten a huge surge of popularity over the past five years.

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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:00:30 PM | message detail
I might be overrating SF2, but I have that match as SMB3/SF2/FF7/LttP

Opps make that FFIV and SFII.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 3:00:33 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #197
It seems as though people are putting too much stock in characters this year.


Then what on Earth do you have to even put any stock in Mega Man when he's done nothing but disappoint?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:01:43 PM | message detail
I think pre Wotlk a Diablo/arthas would be a toss up, but right now I believe Arthas would be the victor. That might change when Diablo 3 is out though
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 3:06:48 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #206
Gordon is stronger then Diablo.


I'd debate this actually but I still think they're at least reasonably close.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/14/2009 3:07:41 PM | message detail
Diablo 3's announcement should be taken into account when discussing Diablo's strength. I'm sure he got a boost from that one.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:08:54 PM | message detail
You wouldn't want to, especially with me.
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voltch | Posted 3/14/2009 3:16:05 PM | message detail
Since when did FF IV build such a bandwagon?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:17:31 PM | message detail

From: voltch | #215
Since when did FF IV build such a bandwagon?


People think cuz Kain and Rydia got third place finishes FF4 has some strength.
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ZFS | Posted 3/14/2009 3:18:25 PM | message detail
Nah. FFIV's characters aren't an argument for it, it's all because of the path it has.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:19:34 PM | message detail
Nah. FFIV's characters aren't an argument for it, it's all because of the path it has.

Going to round 2 and then getting LFFed to hell and back by FF?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 3:19:35 PM | message detail
FF4's path is hilarious.

Easy Round 1 win.
Debatable R2 match with FF1 (and MM3 I guess).
LFF coasting until the Semis.

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ZFS | Posted 3/14/2009 3:20:39 PM | message detail
MM3 is going to be getting rocked by Mario World, too. And FFIV stands a much better shot at outright killing FF1 before it does splitting the FFIV vote. From there, it can cruise to the semifinals.

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transience | Posted 3/14/2009 3:22:24 PM | message detail
the top half is hilarious in general. the only games people care about on this site are Nintendo and Square games, really.
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transience | Posted 3/14/2009 3:22:35 PM | message detail
the only old games, that is.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:23:30 PM | message detail
Even if FF4 gets to the 3rd round (which I don't think it will), it won't be able to beat SF2
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Janus5000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:24:31 PM | message detail
'Cruise'? It doesn't cruise unless SMW implodes in the presence of SMB3 (which I'm sorta counting on, but still).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 3:25:03 PM | message detail
Since when did SFII become a bastion of strength? It got 43% on a game that got doubled by Chrono Trigger. I doubt it can even beat SFF'd Mario World.
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ZFS | Posted 3/14/2009 3:25:06 PM | message detail
SFII hasn't got anything on FFIV, especially when it's not being dragged down by anything. FFIV > SFII an easy pick, I think.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:27:03 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #225
Since when did SFII become a bastion of strength? It got 43% on a game that got doubled by Chrono Trigger. I doubt it can even beat SFF'd Mario World.


And since when did FF4 have any strength?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1178

Plus, I think SF2 is different enough from many of the games in the contest in its path that it shouldn't be effected much by same fanbases while they Nintendo games hurt eachother.
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Janus5000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:27:17 PM | message detail
SFIV being a hip new thing might help SFII some... it won't be -that- old by the time that match rolls around.
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Janus5000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:28:53 PM | message detail
People always bring up those 'favorite FF' polls. I don't think anyone's expecting it to be more popular than VI-X, but it doesn't need to be.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:29:30 PM | message detail
The fact that FF4 and FF1 are so close should make one worry it'll even get out of round 2, though.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:29:33 PM | message detail
And since when did FF4 have any strength?

I'm still shocked people have FFIV going past round 2. Like... I just don't see it. At all.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:30:58 PM | message detail
Mega Man 3 easily has enough strength to beat a SFF'd Final Fantasy 4. Anyone ho thinks it won't be sff'd or lff'd are just kidding themselves. Not everyone prefers FF4 over FF1, as evidenced by that favorite FF poll. Hell, its almost even.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:32:08 PM | message detail
7 > 6 > 10 > 8 > 12 > 9 > 4 > 1 > 11 > 5 > 3 > 2

If LFF goes his way FFIV only needs to beat SFII and maybe MM3.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:33:09 PM | message detail
Oh and I'm not saying its a given FF4 loses in second round or anything. But just that it WON'T be at full strength. It can still win if MM3 chokes.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:33:39 PM | message detail
People seem to forget that favourite of each series is useless.

Yoshi > Mario
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/14/2009 3:35:04 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #235
People seem to forget that favourite of each series is useless.

Yoshi > Mario


I'd argue that the top 4 games on the poll I listed are pretty accurate. Though FF6/FFX may be debatable.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:39:30 PM | message detail
I'd argue that the top 4 games on the poll I listed are pretty accurate. Though FF6/FFX may be debatable.

The poll only shows who has the most hardcore fans. Who knows what those 93% of voters would vote for if 4 and 1 were the only options.
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transience | Posted 3/14/2009 3:39:55 PM | message detail
FF4 argument is really easy.

- FF4's stronger than FF1, probably
- FF1 got 40% on Mario 3
- Mario World is weaker than Mario 3
- Mario World and Mario 3 are in the same poll
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ZFS | Posted 3/14/2009 3:40:58 PM | message detail
FF polls generally are one of the last things to go by when it comes to figuring out how FF's are going to do in general, because some of them are hurt by the FFVIIs and FFVIs of the world more than others. FFIV in particular gets hit hard by FFVI - it's the FFVII of the generation, with FFIV being the one right behind it.

But I would put FFIV a good bit above FF1, but still well below FFVII, FFVI, and FFX. All it needs to do is put a hurting on FF1, something I don't really doubt it can do, but at the same time, taking IV there is definitely an upset - it's not the most likely thing to happen if you just glance over it - but it's not a big stretch either. MM3 isn't coming out of that unscratched, not with Mario World there.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 3:41:26 PM | message detail
7>10>6>8>9>4>12>1

I think.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 3:42:01 PM | message detail
If you take FFVI being possibly LFF'd by FF1 over Mega Man 3, what's stopping you from taking it over SFII?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:42:20 PM | message detail
If 60/40 splits are that easy to overcome, why aren't more people taking LttP over FFVII when the latter has the two worst possible hangers on?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:42:36 PM | message detail
We're talking about round 2 here tranny. Two FF games that are even Vs. Mario Vs. Mega Man. How are those FF games going to go through?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 3:42:59 PM | message detail
er, FFIV

Sorry I suck with numerals. <_< I should put numbers from now on.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:43:09 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy 4 would NOT break 40% on Mario 3.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 3:44:32 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy getting 40% on SMB3 was probably more because of franchise voting than true strength. Expect franchise votes to be a bit weaker in 4-ways.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:44:39 PM | message detail
FF would not either these days.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/14/2009 3:45:15 PM | message detail
And I don't think Mario World will get SFFd by Mario 3. Like, at all.
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ZFS | Posted 3/14/2009 3:45:57 PM | message detail
Mario World and Mega Man might as well both be Nintendo platformers - those aren't two different fanbases that aren't going to hurt each other. We saw what Mario World did to Sonic in the last contest, I'd expect the same thing to happen here. All FFIV has to do is SFF FF1 instead of split evenly, something that shouldn't be that unlikely. People tend to give FF1 too much credit, but we went over that one earlier!

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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 3/14/2009 6:42:20 PM | #231
If 60/40 splits are that easy to overcome, why aren't more people taking LttP over FFVII when the latter has the two worst possible hangers on?


CT and FF6 are more likely to leech LTTP than anything. You saw how close they all were last time.
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