GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 657
| charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:44:15 PM | message detail |
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OoT > LttP > TP > WW > MM > LoZ > LA > OoS/A > Zelda II IMO --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 1:44:16 PM | message detail |
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R/B/Y stronger than it's series? Yeah, pretty much. Pokemon as a series includes many games people don't care about, the spinoff and merchandise whoring, and the general stigma it had for a while. That's gone away, mostly, but it's still there. R/B/Y doesn't have any of that. To many people, it represents everything good about Pokemon. Somebody hand this guy a medal. This is exactly the reason why RBY will be one of the strongest games in this contest. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:45:16 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #099 R/B/Y stronger than it's series? Yeah, pretty much. Pokemon as a series includes many games people don't care about, the spinoff and merchandise whoring, and the general stigma it had for a while. That's gone away, mostly, but it's still there. R/B/Y doesn't have any of that. To many people, it represents everything good about Pokemon. RBY is Pokemon in its purest form. It will still carry that stigma no matter what you do. God knows how Pikachu has managed. --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 1:46:23 PM | message detail |
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It will still carry that stigma no matter what you do. 100% wrong. EVERYONE I know - including people who don't care about Pokemon anymore or even dislike it - loves R/B/Y. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:46:54 PM | message detail |
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And yeah, I think the Series Contest gave some pretty strong evidence
that the theory that a series' strength is found by adding up the
strength of its games is wrong. You can say RBY > Pokemon in a
similar sense to FFVII > FF, only RBY stands out (much) more among
Pokemon games than FFVII does among FF games. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 1:47:21 PM | message detail |
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You know, the farther away from Nintendo this site gets, Pokemon will probably suffer more than any of the rest. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 1:47:57 PM | message detail |
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My friends are the same way KP. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:48:09 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #104 100% wrong. EVERYONE I know - including people who don't care about Pokemon anymore or even dislike it - loves R/B/Y. Wow, you know everyone who votes in the polls? --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 1:49:07 PM | message detail |
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You know, the farther away from Nintendo this site gets, Pokemon will probably suffer more than any of the rest. Mario --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:49:17 PM | message detail |
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From: LeonhartFour | #106 You know, the farther away from Nintendo this site gets, Pokemon will probably suffer more than any of the rest. The grand majority of this site owns a Wii/DS/both, if I'm not mistaken. We're plenty close. --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| transience | Posted 3/14/2009 1:49:38 PM | message detail |
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RBY nostalgic freaks need to calm down. it's not some super powerful game that's leagues above other Pokemon games. but at the same time, it's got a shot at Majora's Mask. because Majora's Mask sucks. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| red sox 777 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:50:21 PM | message detail |
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As for Pokemon resisting S/LFF: it's worth noting how Pikachu did
better against Samus than Ganondorf did. Another argument is that RBY
sold incredibly well- better than the N64! Considering that, you'd
think it pretty likely that it would have fans who are not generally
Nintendo fans here. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 1:50:50 PM | message detail |
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RBY nostalgic freaks need to calm down. it's not some super powerful game that's leagues above other Pokemon games. It is. RBY started the Pokemon boom. People got sick of Pokemon right before GSC came out. Everyone still loves RBY though. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 1:51:10 PM | message detail |
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You know, the farther away from Nintendo this site gets, Pokemon will probably suffer more than any of the rest. Mario Remember Mario Bros./Warcraft? You think the same thing would've happened if Warcraft were facing Pokemon instead? Pokemon symbolizes everything that is "kiddy" about Nintendo. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 1:51:50 PM | message detail |
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it's not some super powerful game that's leagues above other Pokemon games. Even if R/B/Y turns out to be a relative dud, I see no reason why it isn't going to be leagues above the other Pokemon games. It has every conceivable reason to be. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 1:52:04 PM | message detail |
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Different time frame/voter pool/contest style. Times have changed since then Leon. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| red sox 777 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:52:12 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I've never even owned RBY! Don't think I've played it for more than 5 minutes either, if that. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:52:36 PM | message detail |
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Actually I agree that some games > series or else FF would have won
the series contest with ease because of their diversity and popularity. I fully expect Pokemon R/B/Y to go shot for shot against MM. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 1:52:48 PM | message detail |
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I doubt things would be any different at ANY time with that example. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 1:52:59 PM | message detail |
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Remember Mario Bros./Warcraft? You think the same thing would've
happened if Warcraft were facing Pokemon instead? Pokemon symbolizes
everything that is "kiddy" about Nintendo. Uh, remember the last contest? Remember how Mario, Luigi, Bowser, and Yoshi performed? And R/B/Y is largely fueled by nostalgia, so the site shift shouldn't affect it too much. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:53:05 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #115 Even if R/B/Y turns out to be a relative dud, I see no reason why it isn't going to be leagues above the other Pokemon games. It has every conceivable reason to be. Nobody's saying it wouldn't be more powerful than other Pokemon games. But how much is that saying? --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 1:53:57 PM | message detail |
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Uh, remember the last contest? Remember how Mario, Luigi, Bowser, and Yoshi performed? I'd vote for Mario games in a heartbeat over Mario characters. And R/B/Y is largely fueled by nostalgia, so the site shift shouldn't affect it too much. Mario games aren't? --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 1:54:33 PM | message detail |
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Things would be a lot different because that's a special case. Warcraft
doesn't have a huge fanbase here. It only beat GTA because of rallying.
Those same ralliers wouldn't vote for WC over Mario because it's
freaking Mario. No other franchise would garner the same respect
against those guys (maybe other Blizzard games or other classic PC
games). --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| red sox 777 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:54:37 PM | message detail |
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The site can move away from Nintendo without moving toward the kind of
anti-Nintendo voting that hurts Pokemon. Nintendo isn't something you
have to either love or hate. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:54:54 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #120 Uh, remember the last contest? Remember how Mario, Luigi, Bowser, and Yoshi performed? Mario was anchored down by SFF at pretty much every turn. Luigi faced an MGS4 boosted Liquid. Bowser was doing fine until Luigi came in. Yoshi, I have no idea --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:55:38 PM | message detail |
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From: red sox 777 | #124 The site can move away from Nintendo without moving toward the kind of anti-Nintendo voting that hurts Pokemon. Nintendo isn't something you have to either love or hate. It's like you've never seen a console wars thread. --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 1:55:56 PM | message detail |
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...Honestly Leon, I'm not even understanding what you're saying anymore. You're all over the place. Here's what I think: 1. R/B/Y is a tier above the rest of the Pokemon series. 2. It's mostly immune to the bad feelings the rest of the series gets. 3. It won't be hurt much by the site shift, just like most old nostalgia-fueled games won't be. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:56:53 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #127 Here's what I think: 1. R/B/Y is a tier above the rest of the Pokemon series. 2. It's mostly immune to the bad feelings the rest of the series gets. 3. It won't be hurt much by the site shift, just like most old nostalgia-fueled games won't be. No ****. But that doesn't make it powerful. --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 1:57:44 PM | message detail |
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Nothing to debate about then. We're not going to change how we think games will basically perform. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 3/14/2009 1:59:05 PM | message detail |
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Mario characters benefitted more than anyone from the Nintendo Boost,
and it's pretty clear they were hurt most of all by the Deboost. That
might not extend to the games though- for the Boost or Deboost. My
guess is that Mario characters are rather representative of Nintendo as
a whole, whereas Mario games draw most of their strength from
themselves. SMB3 actually got closer to Chrono Trigger in 2004 than
Mario got to Crono that year; this seems rather intriguing. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 1:59:12 PM | message detail |
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I don't see how I'm all over the place. Let me sum it up: I agree that R/B/Y will be the strongest, but I have a hard time seeing it be THAT strong, especially not to the point that it can place in the same poll with Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy Tactics, and a Zelda game, even if that game is Majora's Mask. Pokemon isn't LFF proof, and it's still fully identified with Nintendo by EVERYONE. That's why being in the same poll with a Zelda game WILL hurt it, nostalgia or not. 3. It won't be hurt much by the site shift, just like most old nostalgia-fueled games won't be. The Mario argument applies ten times as much here because Mario games are much older and more popular than Pokemon, which was what I was saying when you said Mario would be affected by the site shift more than Pokemon would. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 2:01:05 PM | message detail |
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SMB3 actually got closer to Chrono Trigger in 2004 than Mario got to Crono that year; this seems rather intriguing. Mario 3 is bigger than Mario, and Chrono Trigger is bigger than Crono. I don't see much of a connection here. If you put Mario 3 in a poll against Mario himself, Mario 3 would SLAUGHTER Mario. No doubt about that. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| transience | Posted 3/14/2009 2:01:56 PM | message detail |
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eh, here's the ultimate strike against Pokemon http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2983 a VERY low-tier Zelda vs. a pretty well-liked Pokemon game -- no doubt people care about it more than PH -- and Zelda still went to town. here is where you say something about RBY being leagues above RBY and where I say that Majora's Mask is miles above friggin' Phantom Hourglass. RBY can win but it's not going to beat MGS or FFT in round 2, and if GSC advances over FFT it has even less of a shot. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 2:02:27 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon isn't LFF proof, and it's still fully identified with
Nintendo by EVERYONE. That's why being in the same poll with a Zelda
game WILL hurt it, nostalgia or not. You're mixing up Nintendos. There's the Nintendo of today, which gets a ton of criticism. That's not how Nintendo was back when R/B/Y was released, which is all people will care about. If anything, I can see some people appreciating R/B/Y even more because those were the good ol' days and such. Newer Pokemon games like D/P are going to be hurting, though. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 2:03:23 PM | message detail |
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Yeah...using D/P as a comparison to R/B/Y is a terrible, terrible idea. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 2:03:34 PM | message detail |
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Somebody explain Mewtwo. Please. Then I will take Pokemon over Zelda MM in the second round. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 3/14/2009 2:03:35 PM | message detail |
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Mario 3 is bigger than Mario, and Chrono Trigger is bigger than
Crono. I don't see much of a connection here. If you put Mario 3 in a
poll against Mario himself, Mario 3 would SLAUGHTER Mario. No doubt
about that. There you have it then. Since they are such separate entities, it is quite reasonable to believe that Mario characters can be affected most by the fortunes of Nintendo, without the older Mario games following to such a great extent. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 2:04:39 PM | message detail |
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Yeah...using D/P as a comparison to R/B/Y is a terrible, terrible idea. Using PH as a comparison to MM is a terrible, terrible idea, too. That was the point. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 2:05:10 PM | message detail |
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From: MarioSuperstar | #136 Somebody explain Mewtwo. Please. Then I will take Pokemon over Zelda MM in the second round. I'd say running into Cloud in the second round would sting like a bastard. Not like having old school/casual bait Pac-Man in the poll is a big help. --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 3/14/2009 2:06:10 PM | message detail |
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Both comparisons are horrible, so this really doesn't tell us anything.
Unless you can quantify the distance between D/P and RBY and the
distance between PH and MM, and compare them. --- Hobbes: What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? Calvin: If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 3/14/2009 2:06:25 PM | message detail |
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Using PH as a comparison to MM is a terrible, terrible idea, too. That was the point. Not really. It just makes for a pretty bad comparisan all around. >_> R/B/Y is going to have a gigantic voting block that wouldn't look twice at D/P. --- FastFalcon believed in Snake. I didn't. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 2:06:40 PM | message detail |
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Using PH as a comparison to MM is a terrible, terrible idea, too. That was the point. Yes, so why bother with the comparison? But RBY > DP much more then MM > PH though. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 2:07:06 PM | message detail |
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From: Biolizard28 | #139 If that's the case then Pokemon IS LFF-able. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
| transience | Posted 3/14/2009 2:07:50 PM | message detail |
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Midna's not close to Mewtwo in strength but when they went head to
head, Mewtwo was in for the fight of his life. and that's
RBY/"nostalgic" Pokemon, whatever this means. I dunno if it's the best example, but Zelda never lays down for anyone. Mario and Mega Man can't do a damn thing to Zelda. I don't think Zelda lost to anything but top-tier games in 2004 - heck, Zelda 1 went to town and came pretty close to Mario 3 and that's Majora's Mask tier. RBY ain't doin' 43% on Mario 3. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 2:07:56 PM | message detail |
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Comparing D/P to RBY is lulzy, yes. Mewtwo was our weakest RBY competitor yet, and he did relatively well for himself. Lucario laid an absolute egg, and he's probably the most recognizable D/P Pokemon. --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| transience | Posted 3/14/2009 2:08:47 PM | message detail |
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But RBY > DP much more then MM > PH though. I would disagree on this point. PH is trash compared to MM. the argument you should be making is that it's 3 n64 games and RBY. that's why I'll probably pick RBY for first. --- xyzzy what's up ryan AHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 3/14/2009 2:10:03 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, Mewtwo is basically running solely off Pokemon power, and he fought all day to put away Midna. And you can look at ANY poll featuring Zelda, and in nearly all of them, you'll find Zelda doing well. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Biolizard28 | Posted 3/14/2009 2:10:04 PM | message detail |
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See, here's the thing. PH can get away with getting votes thanks to
franchise voting. NOBODY will be voting for D/P unless they like
Pokemon presently. Can't say the same thing for RBY. --- i have nothing against pedophiles especially the ones that actually act on their desires-Palmer Now this is entertainment! |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 3/14/2009 2:10:15 PM | message detail |
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I would disagree on this point. PH is trash compared to MM. Top tier Pokemon > Low tier Pokemon is more then Low tier Zelda > Lower tier Zelda. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/14/2009 2:10:32 PM | message detail |
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From: Biolizard28 | #145 Okay fair enough. I can see Charizard doing at least a tiny bit better.. but I don't know by how much. Lucario doesn't spark any hope or anything, but he will be stronger than Mewtwo. --- *is Dranze* Through fire, justice is served because FastFalcon05 owned my bracket. |
