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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 657

PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/16/2009 6:12:55 PM | message detail
As for the Half-Life/Final Fantasy IX match...

I'm going with Half-Life and I'm doing it about as confidently as I can be with a debated match in this format. Even if CC gets hammered (it will), HL still really stands out. FFIX will be splitting with the other RPG, and the strongest Zelda game will sap some of its support. All Half-Life needs to do is capitalize. It was already pretty decent in 2004, it's almost certainly stronger now, and it's benefiting from an SFF split, a nice stand-out factor, and a juggernaut mauling the poll percentages. Just too much in its favor for me to go the other way.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/16/2009 6:18:12 PM | message detail
That's basically how I feel about the situation,
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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 6:19:26 PM | message detail
a juggernaut demolishing percentages is why I give Starcraft a good chance in round 2 and on. it really got the best draw it could have by drawing OOT so early.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/16/2009 6:28:26 PM | message detail
SC obviously cruises if Half-Life doesn't make it, but if it does, I just can't trust it going further. The PC has historically been niche here, so two PC games sharing a poll will obviously hurt SC's chances badly, especially when it's a PC game that won't roll over and die like Roller Coaster Tycoon or another Blizzard game that Starcraft can just SFF. Half-Life will hold onto its most hardcore fans, and I really wouldn't be shocked if it challenged Starcraft or even beat it outright in that poll. It's grown into a big series.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 6:32:49 PM | message detail
at the same time, I think MGS/FFT/OOT/SC is advantageous to Starcraft -- two pretty popular PS1 games that have already shown to split 50/50 in the past.

I hate that division. I have six different conclusions depending on matchups, with three different possibilities coming out of the division.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/16/2009 7:07:48 PM | message detail
That whole division basically comes down to FF9/Half-Life. Unless Half-Life does make it and Starcraft still beats FF8.
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Yesmar | Posted 3/16/2009 7:12:30 PM | message detail
I think there's a general lack of faith in general for Half-Life on this board.

I would take Half-Life to beat FFIX if it was 1 vs. 1. Throw Chrono Cross in and it becomes a no brainer for me. There is no way FFIX is as popular as FFVIII, regardless of who the board decided to rally around this year.

Half-Life 2 > FFXII seems like a gimme to me as well. All Half-Life 2 needs to do is perform as well as the original did back in '04, and that's a worst-case scenario. Half-Life 2 could very well be stronger than that, and FFXII probably isn't some paragon of strength itself.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/16/2009 7:14:42 PM | message detail
I can't see Half-Life being that strong though.

Half-Life 2 yes, but the original Half-Life, not so much. And with OoT there, it's definitely possible for FF9 to win, Chrono Cross or not. Chrono Cross will be lucky to break 5% in that match.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 7:14:56 PM | message detail
I think there's a general lack of faith in general for Half-Life on this board.

The opposite, actually.


I would take Half-Life to beat FFIX if it was 1 vs. 1.

Nope.

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TheOceIot | Posted 3/16/2009 7:21:24 PM | message detail
I would take Half-Life to beat FFIX if it was 1 vs. 1.

you on crack foo
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/16/2009 7:24:45 PM | message detail
Metroid Prime vs. Final Fantasy IX doesn't strike me as a no-brainer at all, and if Half-Life has gotten noticeably stronger in the past five years...
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 3/16/2009 7:39:01 PM | message detail
Gordon got stronger because of Half-Life 2 not Half-Life. Half-Life 2 I would take over FFIX without thinking but Half-Life doesn't have any of the things going for it HL2 does.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/16/2009 7:42:06 PM | message detail
I don't think it matters much in this format. I can see a Half-Life fan voting for both almost as much.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/16/2009 7:42:21 PM | message detail
It's part of the same series. I think it's safe to assume that some of the people who started with HL2 went back to the original. Plus, after HL2 and The Orange Box, it could now benefit from a smidgen of franchise voting, which may actually help it out given that its three first round opponents are so different.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 7:44:31 PM | message detail
Remember that 2k4 had, like, half the votals we get now.

MP would beat HL a lot worse today than it did 4-5 years ago.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/16/2009 7:46:05 PM | message detail
I actually think the worst it could do is what it did 5 years ago.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/16/2009 7:51:37 PM | message detail
2004 was a pretty awesome year for Samus and a pretty awful year for Mr. Freeman. I'm inclined to think Half-Life would do the same or better on Prime now as compared to then.
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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 7:52:44 PM | message detail

KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 10:44:31 PM | message detail
Remember that 2k4 had, like, half the votals we get now.

MP would beat HL a lot worse today than it did 4-5 years ago.


we need to stop making statements like this without any reasoning behind it.
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 7:53:57 PM | message detail
I wouldn't have to think much about a FFIX vs. MP match - give me Final Fantasy every time there.

I don't see why FFVIII doesn't have a fighting chance anyway.

Well, I'm pretty skeptical of FFVIII to begin with. I think it's more in line with FFIX, strength-wise, than it is with FFVI and FFX - it's also closer to FFIX in those favorite FF polls than it is the others, too. I'm sure it's getting a lot of respect based on Squall, but to me, that's one of the worst indicators of FFVIII's strength, since he's almost entirely KH made. The fact we haven't even seen any other characters from the game makes me wonder, and even if they did make it in, I would expect them to be below all of the FFX crew, and closer to the Kefkas of the world. The big thing for FFVIII is that it's Final Fantasy, which means it's going to be strong regardless. I think it could work some FF magic against Metal Gear and win that (MGS is undoubtedly the stronger game, though), but it has too many obstacles getting there.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 7:56:25 PM | message detail
we need to stop making statements like this without any reasoning behind it.

HL (the game, not GFNW) seems like the type to benefit more from lower votals due to having a smaller, more hardcore fanbase.

That's what I think, anyway.

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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 7:58:40 PM | message detail
HL (the game, not GFNW) seems like the type to benefit more from lower votals due to having a smaller, more hardcore fanbase.

are you arguing for Half-Life? 'cause that's what fourways are conducive to.

Half-Life has grown bigtime on this site since 2004. HL2, Orange Box, the game coming to consoles. to argue otherwise requires more than a "feeling".
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/16/2009 7:58:44 PM | message detail
The List:
1. Final Fantasy VII
10. Final Fantasy VI
12. Final Fantasy X
17. Final Fantasy VIII
19. Final Fantasy Tactics
42. Final Fantasy IX
(43. Chrono Cross)
50. Final Fantasy IV

I'm guessing there's going to be a pretty big gap between the likes of FFVIII and FFIX.
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:01:35 PM | message detail
Yeah, we don't need to go over the issues The List has, but I guess that's one (about the only) thing FFVIII can say it has.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 8:01:45 PM | message detail
Why do we keep bringing up that Top 100 List. I'm pretty sure it had Earthbound in the Top 30.

are you arguing for Half-Life? 'cause that's what fourways are conducive to.

We were currently discussing 1 v 1s.

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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 8:03:13 PM | message detail
go find FF1 on The List and then.. well, you know where I'm going here.
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:03:40 PM | message detail
#41: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - PS2
#42: Final Fantasy IX - PS
#43: Chrono Cross - PS
#45: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - GC
#46: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - N64

who wants some

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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 8:04:43 PM | message detail
whoa hey what's this

#25: Half-Life 2 - PC
#26: Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars - SNES
#27: Grand Theft Auto III - PS2
#28: Pokemon Red - GB
#29: Metroid Prime - GC
#30: The Legend of Zelda - NES
#31: Half-Life - PC
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:05:43 PM | message detail
#52: Secret of Mana - SNES
#58: Mortal Kombat - ARC

upset

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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/16/2009 8:05:48 PM | message detail
aw yeah list time
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 8:07:20 PM | message detail
#28: Pokemon Red - GB
#46: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - N64

aw yeah

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 8:08:01 PM | message detail
#37: EarthBound - SNES
#82: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - SNES

let's do this

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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:09:56 PM | message detail
We should make a bracket based on the list and see how it does !

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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 8:10:41 PM | message detail
hey, I'll do this and see what's up. what about games not on the list?

also there's sff argh
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/16/2009 8:10:50 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3197

Yoshi's Island is thinking too small...d'oh, it's up against CT in the next round.

(oh hey another poll with ffiv doing awful)
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/16/2009 8:12:05 PM | message detail
Games not on the list get N/A

just remember that Tales of Symphonia should be bumped up 30 spots because it wasn't on the drop-down list

FFIV did awful in that poll because it's had a bajillion rereleases

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Meeks54 | Posted 3/16/2009 8:12:09 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #480
#28: Pokemon Red - GB
#46: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - N64

aw yeah




Uh, all the other ones were joke ones that don't have a chance of happening. This one is going to happen. RBY is being criminally underrated, and is going to go far in this thing.
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:12:14 PM | message detail
SFF is tricky, but you could see the distance between the three games or something. Not sure how to go with games not on the list, maybe polls?

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trannyscience | Posted 3/16/2009 8:13:12 PM | message detail
hmm... we can do this together!

let's see
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:14:07 PM | message detail
vc poll more like square games poll

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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/16/2009 8:15:10 PM | message detail
secret of evermore > super mario world imho
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Axem Green | Posted 3/16/2009 8:18:10 PM | message detail
haha, two matches in and this is already a disaster

Tetris > Pac-Man in round 2 who wants some
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fooImoron | Posted 3/16/2009 8:19:29 PM | message detail
Chrono Trigger isn't that strong in this context
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:19:55 PM | message detail
Haha.

mega man owned

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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:20:54 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1417

Whoa, what a poll...

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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/16/2009 8:22:30 PM | message detail
Shows how strong the FF brand name was around the 2004 contest.
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Axem Green | Posted 3/16/2009 8:31:04 PM | message detail
better idea -- for games not on The List, use the BOP. it'll still overrated stuff like GTA to hell and ignore SFF but it could at least be competitive in some areas.
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ZFS | Posted 3/16/2009 8:32:39 PM | message detail
Hey, that's a pretty good idea. I'd go with that.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/16/2009 9:18:18 PM | message detail
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#494 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1417

Whoa, what a poll...


The hell?

Mega Man Legends was 100x better than any and all 3-D Sonic games.
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ProphetProfit | Posted 3/16/2009 9:21:32 PM | message detail
499?
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Xcarvenger | Posted 3/16/2009 9:21:57 PM | message detail
Final tally for B8 nominations has been posted by the way.
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