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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 656

KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2009 8:04:14 PM | message detail
HL is definitely the most independent game in the poll, which will help it. I just don't think it's strong enough regardless.

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charmander6000 | Posted 3/13/2009 8:16:33 PM | message detail
I've updated the BOP (15 brackets) here are some interesting stats.

http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls

Round 1

2. Donkey Kong - 9
2. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! - 6

2. Duck Hunt – 8
2. Ninja Gaiden – 5

1. Street Fighter II – 8
1. Sonic the Hedgehog - 7

1. Super Metroid – 8
1. Sonic 3 – 6

2. Castlevania: SotN – 8
2. Resident Evil – 5

1. LoZ: Majora’s Mask – 10
1. Pokemon R/B/Y - 5

1. Starcraft – 8
1. Final Fantasy VIII - 7

2. Half-Life – 10
2. Final Fantasy IX - 5

2. Half-Life 2 – 8
2. Final Fantasy XII – 6

2. Grand Theft Auto IV – 10
2. Street Fighter IV - 5

2. Portal – 9
2. Bioshock - 4

Round 2

1. The Legend of Zelda – 8
1. Super Mario Bros. - 7

2. Sonic 2 – 5
2. LoZ: Link’s Awakening – 5
2. Mega Man X – 4

2. LoZ: Majora’s Mask – 6
2. Final Fantasy Tactics – 5
2. Pokemon R/B/Y – 3

2. Starcraft – 9
2. Final Fantasy VIII - 6

FFX > FFX is the most popular pick as is SSBM > SSBM

2. GTA: San Andreas – 5
2. World of Warcraft – 4

1. Super Mario Galaxy - 6
1. Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 5
1. Call of Duty 4 – 3

Round 3

2. Super Mario World – 7
2. Final Fantasy II (IV) – 4

2. Chrono Trigger – 9
2. Super Mario 64 - 6

1. Final Fantasy X - 9
1. Super Smash Bros. Melee – 6

1. Super Smash Bros. Brawl – 7
1. Metal Gear Solid 4 – 5

Round 4

2. Super Mario World – 4
2. The Legend of Zelda - 4
2. Super Mario Bros. 3 – 4

1. Resident Evil 4 – 5
1. Metal Gear Solid 4 – 4
1. LoZ: Twilight Princess – 3
2. LoZ: Twilight Princess – 8
2. Metal Gear Solid 4 – 5

Round 5

2. Final Fantasy X – 3
2. Metal Gear Solid – 3
2. Metal Gear Solid 4 – 3
2. Resident Evil 4 – 2

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Submit BOP here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=48529509
MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/13/2009 8:36:29 PM | message detail
Heh, I guess Link's Awakening just might really cause something..

The past handheld Zelda games do show strength but I wouldn't take any of them over possibly the strongest Mega Man (or near it).
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/13/2009 8:47:10 PM | message detail
and wow Super Mario Kart must be an unpopular pick..

Though I don't see myself changing it any time soon.
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TheOceIot | Posted 3/13/2009 9:14:52 PM | message detail
Final four of FFX, FFVII, SMB3 and OoT, can OoT beat FFVII?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/13/2009 9:33:32 PM | message detail
I'd be worried about Link's Awakening winning there if we didn't see Mega Man X exceed expectations last year.
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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 9:53:11 PM | message detail
great work, char.

the thing that jumps out is the crazy amount of FF10 support. GOTC poll -- people gotta realize this ain't exactly a fair poll!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2009 9:55:51 PM | message detail
I just feel good about FFX. It seems to grow a little more popular every year. Even without the GotC poll, I would've taken it as far as I did.

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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/13/2009 10:24:40 PM | message detail
So I just filled out my bracket. Right now I don't even have FF7 placing in the final. This won't end well. I need to fill this out again when I have my wits about me.
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 3/13/2009 10:30:28 PM | message detail
Oh, and check it... a peek into the unstats filtered mind of Lopen when making first impressions of this bracket.

SMB3
Mega Man 2
Street Fighter 2
Zelda 1

FF3
FF7
LttP
Chrono Trigger

Halo
Starcraft
OoT
SSBM

Halo 2
RE4
SF4
MGS4

Oh also I'm tired from driving 16 hours in the last three days but you know yeah "madness a brewing" this contest is ridiculous.
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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 11:04:48 PM | message detail
Lopen'd
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ZFS | Posted 3/13/2009 11:06:01 PM | message detail
What in the world!

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2009 11:06:46 PM | message detail
I missed Lopen

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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 11:07:46 PM | message detail
Analysis Crew will be something this contest.
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Lopen | Posted 3/13/2009 11:09:13 PM | message detail
Trust me that one is a winner. Okay maybe not. Needless to say I'm apprehensive to look at this topic lest you guys destroy my mojo I know my four ways when unfiltered okay.

Still better than those FFX freaks that game is going to flop relative to expectations game of the century fanboys.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2009 11:10:54 PM | message detail
Excuse me

but you have Halo 2 in the quarterfinals



reflect on that and then feel free to keep talking smack about FFX

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ZFS | Posted 3/13/2009 11:12:42 PM | message detail
Forget Halo 2 how about some STREET FIGHTER 4, son !

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2009 11:13:32 PM | message detail
oh god I didn't even notice that

I love you Lopen

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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 11:14:07 PM | message detail
I'm trying to draw a path that has SF4 out of its division

let's try

SSBB > SF4 > GTA4 > Persona 4
SF4 > COD4 > SSBB > Galaxy
MGS4 > SF4 > Fallout 3 > COD4

hmm, I guess it's not THAT impossible besides the idea of SF4 topping Fallout 3 and COD4 okay yeah you're dumb
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/13/2009 11:14:41 PM | message detail

From: transience | Posted: 3/14/2009 12:53:11 AM | #406
great work, char.

the thing that jumps out is the crazy amount of FF10 support. GOTC poll -- people gotta realize this ain't exactly a fair poll!


If Kingdom Hearts weren't in that one poll along with Halo and SSBM, I'd pull the trigger on FFX > Melee as well as FFX > OOT later. But Kingdom Hearts should weaken FFX quite a bit and allow Melee to squeak in there.
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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 11:15:49 PM | message detail
I'm surprised you'd brave FFX > KH with MGS2 in the mix. I'd consider MGS2 > Prime, honestly.
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Lopen | Posted 3/13/2009 11:18:13 PM | message detail
Tranny can read minds and bracket alike good call.

Do not doubt STREET FIGHTER 4 SON. The recency factory will be producing big wins for it "let's do this" Actually like I said get back to me tomorrow.
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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 11:18:41 PM | message detail
reminder -- SF4's first match is in two months
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 3/13/2009 11:19:11 PM | message detail

From: transience | #419
I'm trying to draw a path that has SF4 out of its division

let's try

SSBB > SF4 > GTA4 > Persona 4
SF4 > COD4 > SSBB > Galaxy
MGS4 > SF4 > Fallout 3 > COD4

hmm, I guess it's not THAT impossible besides the idea of SF4 topping Fallout 3 and COD4 okay yeah you're dumb


you're insane
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Lopen | Posted 3/13/2009 11:19:44 PM | message detail
Augh you're right. It's way down there. Let's not do this.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2009 11:20:09 PM | message detail
I suppose this is about a good time as any to say that my finals is OoT>FF7>LTTP>FFX.

I'm not sure why. It's not really based on logic. But with Lopen around no one will look twice at it!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/13/2009 11:20:48 PM | message detail

From: transience | Posted: 3/14/2009 2:15:49 AM | #420
I'm surprised you'd brave FFX > KH with MGS2 in the mix. I'd consider MGS2 > Prime, honestly.


We've already seen that daisy chain. FFX > KH > Vice City >= MGS2, when you take into account the trends since 2004.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2009 11:21:37 PM | message detail
No way. FFX>KH=MGS2>>Vice City at this point.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/13/2009 11:21:52 PM | message detail
SF2 HD:http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3357
How Megaman 9 did after it decimated SF2 HD: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3363

Look at that street fighter powa
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/13/2009 11:22:15 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 3/14/2009 2:20:09 AM | #425
I suppose this is about a good time as any to say that my finals is OoT>FF7>LTTP>FFX.

I'm not sure why. It's not really based on logic. But with Lopen around no one will look twice at it!


LTTP will hurt Ocarina WAY more than FFX will hurt FF7, unless FFX is the momentum game of choice this contest.
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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 11:24:58 PM | message detail
We've already seen that daisy chain. FFX > KH > Vice City >= MGS2, when you take into account the trends since 2004.

what trends?

and regardless of trends, you've got the two big Square PS2 games in one match.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/13/2009 11:26:17 PM | message detail
Here's an interesting poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3306

FF7 is not immune from losing the final, especially if you sub Crono with LTTP and Snake with FFX. Then OOT/FF7 for Link/Cloud.

Basically, do you think LTTP will make a 10k vote difference?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2009 11:26:36 PM | message detail
Anti-FF7 Votes
OoT Game of the Forever
Revenge

that's why

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ZFS | Posted 3/13/2009 11:26:55 PM | message detail
What's up Joke Snake

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/13/2009 11:26:57 PM | message detail
The only trend I care about regarding Vice City is this:

2004: Western Quarterfinal --- Defeated (6) Donkey Kong, 51425 [50.48%] - 50457 [49.52%]
2007: Division 5 Round 1 --- 3rd place, 19268 [14.69%] - Master Chief, 59910 [45.69%] - Yuna, 39571 [30.18%] - PaRappa the Rapper, 12382 [9.44%]
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/13/2009 11:29:47 PM | message detail
You know what, screw it. I have take OOT over FFX, then over FF7 in the final. Makes too much sense.
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Meeks54 | Posted 3/13/2009 11:31:16 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #430
LTTP will hurt Ocarina WAY more than FFX will hurt FF7, unless FFX is the momentum game of choice this contest.




This scares me how this keeps getting said, when indeed the opposite is true.


ALttP and Twilight Princess would not do a thing to OoT. The only game Zelda would have to worry about for actually hurting it would be Wind Waker, because they are so different.

But, OoT is pretty much ALttP remade and everything done better, and almost everyone has OoT as the best Zelda game.
TP is OoT pretty much redone, just inferior in almost every way. (Still great game) These 2 games if/when they meet OoT are not going to even be able to stand. I would wager that MM's would do better against OoT than ALttP and TP, just because it is such a radically different game from normal Zelda games, and you actually see some people say MM>OoT.


As for Final Fantasy X, it is a much different game from VII, many people who hate VII think X is the best game ever. There are plenty of people in the FF fanbase who have X>VII. The game that VII would need to make the Finals to not feel anything would be VI or VIII. The problem is if VI gets there, ALttP does not, and VII loses it handicap on OoT.. And I still see very little hope that VIII could get there.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/13/2009 11:32:54 PM | message detail
ALttP and Twilight Princess would not do a thing to OoT.

I can see it being argued for TP not hurting OoT, but Lttp? Not EVERY Zelda fan lieks OoT the most, Lttp is the favorite of many Zelda fans, so if LttP is there, it hurts OoT no question.
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Lopen | Posted 3/13/2009 11:35:27 PM | message detail
Hey don't worry KP, I'll fix my bracket in time then we can all make fun of the FFX over estimation. Wait half the board is with you including Ulti what is this blight.

BOLD PREDICTION:

KH/MGS2
FFX
Halo
SSBM

SSBM > Halo no chance time to sit down FFX.
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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 11:36:54 PM | message detail
Lopen taking Halo to heaven

in other news MWC made a big post no one will read
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ZFS | Posted 3/13/2009 11:37:31 PM | message detail
ALttP and Twilight Princess would not do a thing to OoT. The only game Zelda would have to worry about for actually hurting it would be Wind Waker, because they are so different.

Ha. MWC'd

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225

Dunno how LttP doesn't hurt OoT, and much worse than FFX to FFVII.

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Meeks54 | Posted 3/13/2009 11:37:39 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #438
ALttP and Twilight Princess would not do a thing to OoT.

I can see it being argued for TP not hurting OoT, but Lttp? Not EVERY Zelda fan lieks OoT the most, Lttp is the favorite of many Zelda fans, so if LttP is there, it hurts OoT no question.




I did not say every fan, did I? I am sure somewhere out there is a person who likes Zelda II the Adventure of Link over>OoT. It does not mean there are many of them at all, yes, ALttP is the second most popular Zelda game, but X is the second most popular FF game. The difference is that many more people have X>VII then have ALttP>OoT. Also take into account the fact that those 2 will be completely outclassed at the very start, and I see almost every voter for both other games in the finals, whatever they may be, jumping ship for VII/OoT, and the other 2 just kinda being there, like Snake 2 years ago and Crono last year.
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Lopen | Posted 3/13/2009 11:37:48 PM | message detail
Seriously though what do most people have-- SSBM > FFX there? What I see is: Gamecube flagship, X-Box flagship, and two PS2 games, neither of which could be considered the flagship game. You might argue FFX could be the PS2 flagship but I'm not even seeing that much.
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transience | Posted 3/13/2009 11:39:07 PM | message detail
FFX is clearly PS2's flagship. maybe it's not a home run over second place but that's because the PS2 actually has a library.
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ZFS | Posted 3/13/2009 11:39:43 PM | message detail
"Xbox flagship" doesn't mean anything when we're talking about a unhindered Final Fantasy game - and most likely the second strongest one at that. FFX is pretty much the PS2's flagship game on here, no doubt about that.

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Lopen | Posted 3/13/2009 11:40:03 PM | message detail
No doubt in my mind that Halo is going to have all the oomph Chief does and then some. Chief "flopped" last year but only because 1. He did so damn good the year before. 2. Halo 3 backlash.

Halo 3 backlash shouldn't affect Halo 1. The original X-Box had two functions: Off and Halo. Remember that.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/13/2009 11:42:00 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #446The original X-Box had two functions: Off and Halo 2. Remember that.


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Lopen | Posted 3/13/2009 11:42:35 PM | message detail
To sum up what I'm saying: 4 ways are still the format of Halo. Halo >> Master Chief as evidenced by the first game contest vs Master Chief's performances at the time.

You should fear Halo as a final four threat, people! Not regard it as FFX fodder!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 3/13/2009 11:43:29 PM | message detail
Halo >> Master Chief as evidenced by the first game contest vs Master Chief's performances at the time.

Watch out for the game that loses in the first round! Its got final 4 power!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/13/2009 11:44:06 PM | message detail
That is MY LINE.
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