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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 656

HaRRicH | Posted 3/12/2009 10:22:41 AM | message detail
I still doubt R/B/Y though. One, it's still a handheld game, and handheld games never exactly lit GotY-polls or the first BGE on fire. Even if R/B/Y is likely the strongest of them and is in a battle with three N64-games, that's still a correlation I don't trust much. Then you've got LoZ:MM; as already pointed out, LoZ BRUTALLY killed Metroid who barely beat Pokemon. This is further complimented that LoZ:MM probably isn't much under LoZ:WW and R/B/Y would be doing well to beat Metroid Prime...and LoZ:WW beat MP in 2004 with ~55%. Lastly, even if R/B/Y hangs tight with LoZ:MM, LFF may kick into gear and allow Perfect Dark to sneak past it. PD had a close match with C:SotN, was in contention for GotY in 2000*, and it would have done a lot better in the VC-N64 poll if it wasn't for Goldeneye. If R/B/Y and LoZ:MM duke it out, PD could surprise.

R/B/Y just isn't in a very good position.



* http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=225

The other games that came out that year that may have beaten PD for GotY were LoZ:MM, CC, and FF9. Unfortunately, there was never a series of GotY-polls held at the end of the year.

Oh, and according to that poll...why is D2 in the 2001-2003 division? Is it because of the expansion?
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/12/2009 10:26:17 AM | message detail
I see MM/Pokemon going the same way as Metroid/Pokemon, Pokemon won't be SFF and actually keep up, but it won't have enough push to get it over Majora's Mask.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/12/2009 10:26:34 AM | message detail
Yes, it's the expansion that made it in, not the original.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/12/2009 10:35:15 AM | message detail
Let's not forget here that the majority of people on this site are between 18-22, which makes them part of that whole Pokemon Boom.

R/B/Y definitely has the nostalgia vote of that group. PD is outdated and isn't as popular as Goldeneye (despite being the better game). MM will SFF it into the ground (similar to SM64/GE last games contest). Despite being a Nintendo game, Pokemon is the only big series to not be featured on consoles (the console games are all spinoffs). It didn't get SFFed by Metroid, and it won't get SFFed by Zelda or any other Nintendo series that is prominently on consoles.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/12/2009 10:38:04 AM | message detail
Onto another subject: I feel bad for asking, but how do you feel about Pac-Man in MM2's match? Pong shouldn't do Pac any favors, Metroid doubled Pac in 2004, and this may or may not be relevant:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=968

I've currently got Oregon Trail in second place thanks to all that plus joke-votes and being very distinct from the rest. Idon't know if I'm the only one or not right now...does Pac have a better shot than I'm giving it?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/12/2009 10:39:38 AM | message detail
Pac-Man has a shot of beating MM2, but it's a risk. The other two games have no shot.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/12/2009 10:50:34 AM | message detail
Oregon Trail has gotten me thinking as well.. but who the heck has heard of it? It's old as heck and probably, as somebody mentioned the other day, comparable to Carmen Sandiego.

Pac-man has that arcade following even if Pong won't help. Pong wouldn't do well in this format to begin with anyway.

If Pac-man can outlive Ness against a Mewtwo, I don't see why he can't outlive... this thing.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/12/2009 10:54:40 AM | message detail
But what's stopping MM2 from SFF Pac-Man like Metroid did?

Oregon Trail has a chance and I'm surprised more people haven't taken the upset.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/12/2009 10:56:06 AM | message detail
Of course I'm expecting SFF, but I don't think Oregon Trail would even do good enough to even match that percentage.

Pong is the only thing that would make me take it, anyway.
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KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/12/2009 10:58:31 AM | message detail
I saw Oregon Trail as the favorite when I first looked at the bracket. Its freaking Oregon Trail and if theres any game that 4chan and joke voters will rally around, its that.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/12/2009 11:01:03 AM | message detail
I guess it depends how high of a percent MM2 gets. If its flying over 50% Oregan Trail may take it due to lack of remaining percent.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/12/2009 11:08:02 AM | message detail
I wouldn't put much stock into Zelda destroying Metroid with SFF in the series contest. The LoZ Series is the strongest entity we've ever seen, and it is very different from individual Zelda games like Majora's Mask. For example, Wind Waker failed to SFF Metroid Prime to oblivion. It all depends on how strong RBY is really- my guess is that it is much stronger relative to its series than any Metroid game is relative to its- meaning that it would easily beat any Metroid game. Wind Waker only got 55% on Prime, and Super Metroid is probably stronger, going by polls of the day.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/12/2009 11:09:34 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2808
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3059

These are some good interesting polls for Pac-Man, but then there's..

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2873

... Barely beating Wander.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/12/2009 11:11:13 AM | message detail
Oh, and for the record....we have no idea how strong Xenogears, and by extension, GSC, was in 2004, and I'm guessing we'll never find out. Remember that FF1 did break 40% on SMB3 and FFT went even with MGS that year, so the ceiling is quite high. The game lost to FFVII, so we have no idea really how much SFF took place there.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/12/2009 11:12:00 AM | message detail
Pac-Man beat Wander, which is somewhat comparable to Oregon Trail, so unless OT gets a **** load of joke votes, this match shouldn't be in question.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/12/2009 11:13:02 AM | message detail
R/B/Y is to G/S/C as OoT is to MM. It's much, much stronger.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/12/2009 11:19:09 AM | message detail
which is somewhat comparable to Oregon Trail

I'm not even sure about that just yet.

There's still Pong.
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KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/12/2009 11:23:34 AM | message detail
Theres one big difference between Wander and Oregon Trail

Nobody knows Wander. Everyone knows Oregon Trail.

How can you say they're comparable strength?
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/12/2009 11:23:51 AM | message detail
Oregon Trail is a great game and seems like it would stand out there. A nice early upset pick.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/12/2009 11:26:39 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2808
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3059

These are some good interesting polls for Pac-Man, but then there's..


The first poll had no old school series and the second one had no games with a higher name recognition than Pac-Man, though it does make DK > SI a lock.
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KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/12/2009 11:28:59 AM | message detail
Pac Man and Pogn SHOULD Lff quite a bit which is something I'm not seeing many people talk about. Its a golden opportunity for Oregon Trail
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/12/2009 11:39:48 AM | message detail
Nobody knows Wander. Everyone knows Oregon Trail.

I've never heard of Oregon Trail. Let's not forget that there's only a niche PC fanbase on here, and even less of a niche that played classic PC games. Before bringing up Carmen Sandiego's good performance, she also had a TV show that was pretty popular that got her some joke votes.

The only reason to go with OT is if you believe 4chan can push it past Pac-Man. If 4chan doesn't support it strongly, it has no chance because this site definitely won't.
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KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/12/2009 11:40:37 AM | message detail
I've never heard of Oregon Trail.

you're...... kidding, right?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/12/2009 11:41:57 AM | message detail
Nope. The only time I've heard of it is in that one Pleinair topic and apparently FFD is a big fan of it.
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KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/12/2009 11:44:00 AM | message detail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oregon_Trail_(computer_game)
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/12/2009 11:45:09 AM | message detail
... so?
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KotovSyndrome | Posted 3/12/2009 11:47:02 AM | message detail
I think its pretty obvious why you compare Oregon trail to something nobody knows of if you don't know of it. But you're underestimating it greatly. Its a game EVERYONE worth their salt has played, and is the kind of thing sorta like Tetris that you can find on many many different platforms that it was ported to.
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HotSkitty | Posted 3/12/2009 11:48:56 AM | message detail
You know what would be funny, but will probably never happen?

Banjo-Kazooie making an upset.

NOBODY EXPECTS JINJO
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/12/2009 12:04:41 PM | message detail
I'd hope it performs better than Banjo.
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voltch | Posted 3/12/2009 1:30:36 PM | message detail
is FF1 the acknowledged line between top tier FF games and lower tier FFs?

looking at that game if it's stronger then it's pretty good,lower and it's low midcard.

so XII vs HL2,what's the consencus?
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/12/2009 1:31:52 PM | message detail
I think most people expect basically all of the FF games that were released in the US (not just as a remake) to be stronger than FF1.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/12/2009 2:04:08 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1825

Give me one good reason round two won't be WoW > Halo 2 > San Andreas > MGS3
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/12/2009 2:08:21 PM | message detail
Give me one good reason round two won't be WoW > Halo 2 > San Andreas > MGS3

WoW, Halo 2, and MGS3 are all in the same fourpack.
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ZFS | Posted 3/12/2009 2:11:19 PM | message detail
Something about the site changing in the past, oh, 5 years.

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HaRRicH | Posted 3/12/2009 2:12:31 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1877
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1872
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1871

Not that these will stand the test of time, necessarily, but this is a reason.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/12/2009 2:16:33 PM | message detail
GTA has gotten a lot weaker, and even if it's naturally stronger than Halo 2, MGS3 will leech it into being weaker. SA and Halo 2 are probably still fairly close, and a leech happening on only one game is bad news.

MGS2 was not strong, and I doubt it's grown much even after the MGS boost. And I refuse to believe MGS3 is *that* much stronger than 2. If WoW benefits at ALL from this format, it could win two matches with ease. Pity it runs into that RE4/TP beast in round three.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/12/2009 2:23:58 PM | message detail
I don't see why MGS3 can't be slightly stronger than MGS2.. especially after 5 years.

Even a tad bit helps.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/12/2009 2:41:46 PM | message detail
I just said it was stronger.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/12/2009 2:42:50 PM | message detail
Oh. Nevermind.

So, uh, GTA4/SFIV?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/12/2009 3:20:42 PM | message detail
Halo 2 has fallen off the face of the earth far more than any of those other examples.

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voltch | Posted 3/12/2009 3:22:25 PM | message detail
ya know even with GTA4 hypeddown,i still think we got enough drones capable of making that game beat SFIV,igot a SFIV winning,but i'm not convinced it's that weak.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 3/12/2009 3:49:44 PM | message detail
Unlike other contests in the past, I feel I honestly have no chance whatsoever of winning. Something insane's going to happen, whether OoT goes down early, a joke game/WoW goes very far, or even FF7 losing. The probability of me predicting the game-changing game is nil, so I can't even bring myself to adjust my bracket.

I don't even feel like trying to predict this thing. I just want to watch how everything goes down and see what will destroy everyone's brackets this year.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/12/2009 4:04:23 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/contribute/submit_contest_image.php

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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 3/12/2009 4:14:43 PM | message detail
whats that last screen shot of?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/12/2009 4:38:50 PM | message detail
Onto another subject: I feel bad for asking, but how do you feel about Pac-Man in MM2's match?

I've got it in second place right now because I don't trust Oregon Trail to be worth very much.

Give me one good reason round two won't be WoW > Halo 2 > San Andreas > MGS3

Something about a site shift since that poll was taken. MGS was full of lawls in 2004, and everyone knows it. GTA has fallen like nobody's business since then, too.

As for another reason: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3363

Expansion pack, I know, but rallying only means something when you're...well, strong. WoW isn't. But people can put faith in it all they want. I won't get burned by it.

Hey, Bacon's already got a banner up! Nice!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/12/2009 5:13:20 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/12/2009 5:14:41 PM | message detail
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SonicRaptor | Posted 3/12/2009 5:38:30 PM | message detail

From: M_e_g_a_6_4 | #242
Unlike other contests in the past, I feel I honestly have no chance whatsoever of winning. Something insane's going to happen, whether OoT goes down early, a joke game/WoW goes very far, or even FF7 losing. The probability of me predicting the game-changing game is nil, so I can't even bring myself to adjust my bracket.

I don't even feel like trying to predict this thing. I just want to watch how everything goes down and see what will destroy everyone's brackets this year.


Honestly, it's been like this since L-Block won the damn thing. A wild, crazy upset is expected every year but ever since 4chan rallied for that Tetris piece it's been up in the air.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/12/2009 5:43:08 PM | message detail
Well Link won last time.
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